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Old 27th Nov 2019, 12:11
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It does seem, if the cost and time involved in the commute to Heathrow is factored in, the already underwhelming salary at the bottom rungs, looks even more uncompetitive.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 12:30
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Originally Posted by Percula View Post
​​​​​​For every morning flight? That must add up.
Peanuts when you have to " commute" from Chelsea
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 13:50
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How central?
Chiswick to T5 is £12-15 with local cabs for early then could get tube back.

Average cost of running an average car for 12k miles is about £2k a year before depreciation/pcp etc
With finance the average is around £4600 a year.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 16:57
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It's very straightforward to commute from Central London. Heathrow workers get a 50% (pretty sure it's 50% but either way it's heavily discounted) on the Heathrow Express. You've also got the tube and the "TFL Train" which used to be known as Heathrow Connect. Plenty of people do it on short and long haul.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 17:37
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I'm in Zone 1 so it's normally around an hour. The only issue is that none of the public transport is running in time to make the first SH report (which looks to be around 05:20).

I'll figure it out.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 17:43
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Originally Posted by Percula View Post
I'm in Zone 1 so it's normally around an hour. The only issue is that none of the public transport is running in time to make the first SH report (which looks to be around 05:20).

I'll figure it out.
Bath road travelodge circa 32 quid a night with airline discount on the odd trip you get an early for... you can either then catch the airport shuttle for a few quid or have a walk up to the nearest bus stop where the company shuttle operates from. 👍
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 00:37
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser View Post
It does seem, if the cost and time involved in the commute to Heathrow is factored in, the already underwhelming salary at the bottom rungs, looks even more uncompetitive.
Bear in mind the rungs are about to get a 7.5% increase (along with allowances), but yes, they're still uncompetitive.

For anyone who spends any portion of their journey on the M25: double the non-traffic time and if the result is too unpalatable, I'd suggest you'll probably struggle. It's also worth considering that as a new joiner you'll have absolutely no rostering consistency - they'll gladly transition you from lates to earlies (or visa versa) as many times as they please throughout the month, often with only one "day off" inbetween. It's pretty hideous stuff, particularly from a commuting perspective.

If you have other options with similar pay I'd seriously consider them. If it were me I'd probably see BA short haul more as one of the last resorts now.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 00:50
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Does anyone know what the part-time options are in BA? Are they quite easy to get or does one have to wait a few years. Cheers!
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 15:06
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Getting one of the "Aspirational" Part Time contracts ( as in simply wanting like more time off/doing less work) seems recently to have become increasingly difficult, if not almost impossible to get . There are two versions of Aspirational - either 58%, which very roughly speaking a full time month, followed by a part time month in which you need to do enough work to keep recency, or 72% where you do two full time months followed by a part time month....

Getting "Right to Request" (where I think you supposedly need a case for going part time, such as helping to care for dependents) - don't know about availability and I think there are a lot of variations in the pattern so I'll leave somebody more familiar with that to fill in the details.

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Old 28th Nov 2019, 23:15
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Right to request (RTR) part time is either 75% or 50% and works 3 weeks on then one week off, or two weeks on and two weeks off.

Several years ago, it was determined to be illegal to discriminate between someone just wanting more time off for whatever reason, and someone wanting more time off for childcare or what have you. BA have indeed given right to request part time to people who have no childcare or other caring roles, and the reason for the request was given as “I’m working too hard”. Saying that, part time is considered on an order of application basis, and granted or rejected case by case. There is often a long wait of about a year from date of request to actually working part time, in order to fit in around the needs of the business. Requests are often rejected outright, and some requests for RTR part time are granted on a purely temporary basis.

At the moment, you can get back from a trip on the last day of your available days, and the industrial or EASA required days off are within your unpaid part time days off. (The cabin crew have to have their industrial/EASA days off contained within their available to work days for both part time and leave, whereas the pilots have never had that). Pilots do have wrap days attached to leave, which may have been designed to account for that, but they do not currently exist attached to part time days off). BALPA have apparently compared part time rosters and full time rosters and determined that typically, part time pilots are working harder than their adjusted full time equivalents. ie a 75%RTR pilot is doing more than 75% of a full time pilot’s workload. However recent legal findings elsewhere suggest this might need to change.

With all of the above in mind, a request for part time does not require seniority, and your request will not be rejected simply because you are junior. That being said, whether junior or senior, you cannot assume your request will be granted.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 13:59
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Might have been asked but i cant find it - anyone know how seniority works with people who start on the same day as you?
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 14:06
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Numbers are randomly allocated.

It it used to be done by age which in my view is fairer but was apparently discriminatory.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 08:00
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Two TC friends recent simulator,one has 350 and the other 777 in February
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
it used to be done by age which in my view is fairer but was apparently discriminatory.
Totally agree Jwscud, now the older people are being discriminated against when they end up junior to someone X years younger than them who will thus be ahead of them in career progression for the entirety of their career however, if the roles were reversed, the younger pilot would have X years not even worrying about the older guy because theyíve retired from the MSL. If itís a discrimination issue I fail to see how thatís not been raised.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 12:42
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
Numbers are randomly allocated.

It it used to be done by age which in my view is fairer but was apparently discriminatory.
Names out of a hat. Done by the recruitment team prior to joining. I thought it would be more fun to do it when you arrived day one at Waterside!
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 14:57
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[QUOTE =VinRouge;10633711]

Names out of a hat. Done by the recruitment team prior to joining. I thought it would be more fun to do it when you arrived day one at Waterside!
[/QUOTE]

Would you be able to know who was higher?

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Old 6th Dec 2019, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Phantom4 View Post
Two TC friends recent simulator,one has 350 and the other 777 in February
Thatís promising! Does anyone else have more updates on start dates? 🏊*♂️
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:27
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Originally Posted by anson harris View Post
It's very straightforward to commute from Central London. Heathrow workers get a 50% (pretty sure it's 50% but either way it's heavily discounted) on the Heathrow Express. You've also got the tube and the "TFL Train" which used to be known as Heathrow Connect. Plenty of people do it on short and long haul.
Having commuted from central london for 8 years on shorthaul i'd definitely not recommend it. Really starts to piss you off as for the earliest reports you can't get to T5 unless you either get a taxi or 18,000 buses!
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 13:20
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Originally Posted by kookiesandkreme View Post
[QUOTE =VinRouge;10633711]

Names out of a hat. Done by the recruitment team prior to joining. I thought it would be more fun to do it when you arrived day one at Waterside!
Would you be able to know who was higher?[/QUOTE]
Yep. You can see everyoneís seniority from pretty much day one.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 15:00
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Originally Posted by kookiesandkreme View Post
Would you be able to know who was higher?
Every month when the bidding cycle starts as part of the published bidding package you get a status list of with the names on your fleet and their seniority number on the Master Senority List, the smaller the number the more senior they are...so yes, you would know.

FWIW you don’t actually see the seniority numbers changing on a monthly basis (due to people leaving), they only get recalculated/reallocated once a year.




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