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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 07:57
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The important point still remains.

BA have made it clear they will monitor "commuting" , and rest prior to duty in minute detail, and managers will chase individuals if they think they have spotted something that they (the manager) doesn't like..

It is something prospective joiners need to be fully aware of.

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 08:29
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NLP: you seem to miss the point. The commuter has to look at his/her travel plans and ask himself this - "could my company ask me to do this legally ie. position and then operate? " If the answer is NO then do not do it! References to people doing excessive drives to work are irrelevant.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 10:58
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Very sadly, a few BA pilots were taking the proverbial, when it came to commuting by air. This was often brought to BA’s attention by the operating crew of the miscreants commuting flight. BA have the ability to monitor the arrangements of people who’s travel BA themselves facilitate. Indeed, they may be deemed negligent if they do not. So on occasion (once?) BA have sampled a few colleagues’ arrangements. A mere phone call, if necessary, is the only result.

Rex Banner. I’m not defending BA. I’m ‘defending’ safety. Some of the stories of which I am aware, were blatant, arrogant and outrageous!

It’s often the case that a few, spoil things for the many. But here we are!
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 11:15
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Originally Posted by Toolonginthisjob
So on occasion (once?) BA have sampled a few colleagues’ arrangements. A mere phone call, if necessary, is the only result.


I think the sampling is now planned to be done at the very least on an annual basis, and TBH being risk averse I've assumed for a while now it's an ongoing process and arranged my travel accordingly.

As for your second point - I have been led to believe that for a small number of our colleagues the result was more than just a phone call.

Fundamentally anyone who flies into LGW/LHR prior to duty ( on the day or even the day before) shouldn't be surprised if their travel arrangements and their rest arrangements are scrutinised by the company.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 11:41
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"Incidentally. I thought the rumour was that recruitment is being significantly scaled back for 2020, and potentially beyond. Make of that what you will."

Im not privy to much beyond flying with the occasional trainer or recruitment pilot, but I was recently told that we needed over 300 pilots next year. Our Manpower Planning Manager updated 2 weeks ago that there should be a decent amount of movement in 2020.

But things do change quickly in this game! Would be interested to know if this was from a reliable source or galley FM, as I have 2 friends stuck at various stages in the recruitment system at the moment.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 14:20
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Originally Posted by Tricia Takanawa
Im not privy to much beyond flying with the occasional trainer or recruitment pilot, but I was recently told that we needed over 300 pilots next year. Our Manpower Planning Manager updated 2 weeks ago that there should be a decent amount of movement in 2020.

But things do change quickly in this game! Would be interested to know if this was from a reliable source or galley FM, as I have 2 friends stuck at various stages in the recruitment system at the moment.
I've been sitting in the hold pool for over 6 months now. We have been told that we should be starting in the first quarter of 2020. Fingers crossed.

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 14:35
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
As I said in my earlier posts some LH slots have gone out to some out our gig. 1 guy did his SIM back in Feb starting December other guy I think March.
Only recently has the pool been so low before that 1-2 years in the pool was common.
A lot of people are waiting for SH start dates, hence the wait.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 17:30
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Originally Posted by Percula
A lot of people are waiting for SH start dates, hence the wait.
How would you know if you are LH elligible or SH only pool swimmers? Do they actually tell you?
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 17:37
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow
How would you know if you are LH elligible or SH only pool swimmers? Do they actually tell you?
Yes, they do.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 17:41
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Originally Posted by Percula
Yes, they do.
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they haven't told me! Or is it a case of specifically mentioning SH if not LH elligible then?
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 18:07
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow
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they haven't told me! Or is it a case of specifically mentioning SH if not LH elligible then?
I believe if you are SH only the email says “A320 hold pool” and if you’re deemed eligible for LH then it just says “hold pool”.

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Old 18th Oct 2019, 12:39
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Start dates DEP

Hi all,

Any new start dates rolled out for 2020 for DEP’s?
I’ve been in the hold pool since June this year. Wonder when they’ll start the 2020 training!
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 13:22
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Originally Posted by Morris Ogg
Hi all,

Any new start dates rolled out for 2020 for DEP’s?
I’ve been in the hold pool since June this year. Wonder when they’ll start the 2020 training!
I’m in the same boat as you Morris Ogg. Been in the hold pool since May...previously told to expect a start in Jan-Feb but not sure if that still holds true. Fingers crossed though!
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 13:38
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Originally Posted by boeing89


I’m in the same boat as you Morris Ogg. Been in the hold pool since May...previously told to expect a start in Jan-Feb but not sure if that still holds true. Fingers crossed though!
Same here, it’s all gone very quiet. Wondering if TCX, Brexit, IA all have a bearing on 2020 requirements?
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 13:57
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Originally Posted by kookiesandkreme
Hi, I’m thinking about applying when they next open up, but am only fussed about long haul, is it unheard of for someone who isn’t able to unfreeze to go directly to long haul? Or is it 100% required to be able to unfreeze?
If you are talking about having an fATPL and looking to go long haul at BA then I beleive the answer is no, you need an ATPL for the long haul fleet.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 14:37
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Originally Posted by kookiesandkreme
Hi, I’m thinking about applying when they next open up, but am only fussed about long haul, is it unheard of for someone who isn’t able to unfreeze to go directly to long haul? Or is it 100% required to be able to unfreeze?
ATPL required, due requirement for FOs to become acting PIC when in-flight rest facilities are in use.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 15:05
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Originally Posted by clvf88
ATPL required, due requirement for FOs to become acting PIC when in-flight rest facilities are in use.
unless you have the hours and just need the type rating to unlock the licence.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 15:38
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Given what’s happened recently and how the workforce has been treated im amazed anyone is still actually considering the move
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 15:39
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Originally Posted by VinRouge

unless you have the hours and just need the type rating to unlock the licence.
Very true. I know people who have done the ATPL check items as part of their initial LST and then applied for the licence. What I should have said is you need an ATPL, or have all required hours to apply for one.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 16:02
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Originally Posted by corporaljones
Given what’s happened recently and how the workforce has been treated im amazed anyone is still actually considering the move
I take your point, but for those of us having gone through the long process that is BA recruitment, presumably because what may be on offer is still better than where we are, it’d be nice to have some idea of what may be available instead of just treading water waiting to drown. Perhaps for some the future hinges on what fleet (SH/LH) is offered, but would be nice to know.
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