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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 21:15
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Every year they run a number of antiquated and tetchy computer programs to determine how many pilots each fleet and seat needs, and process expected retirements, and internal bids for fleet and seat moves. Every time they think they have a solution, somebody changes the flying plan for next year. This requires a complete re-run, re-plan &c. Once the plan is complete, it needs approval. Finance may elect to trim the plan again, requiring another cycle or two of the above.

Only once this merry go round has ended do they have a plan for what is required, and the pilots get annual bid results. They also know how many new recruits they need, and in what fleets. They may have enough of an inkling before this is all over to make some offers for Jan/Feb but the vast majority of offers are likely to be held back until this process is complete. Last year it was late November...
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 22:21
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
Every year they run a number of antiquated and tetchy computer programs to determine how many pilots each fleet and seat needs, and process expected retirements, and internal bids for fleet and seat moves. Every time they think they have a solution, somebody changes the flying plan for next year. This requires a complete re-run, re-plan &c. Once the plan is complete, it needs approval. Finance may elect to trim the plan again, requiring another cycle or two of the above.

Only once this merry go round has ended do they have a plan for what is required, and the pilots get annual bid results. They also know how many new recruits they need, and in what fleets. They may have enough of an inkling before this is all over to make some offers for Jan/Feb but the vast majority of offers are likely to be held back until this process is complete. Last year it was late November...
not helped by the constant over promising and under delivering nature of the head of manpower planning. Seems to be a tad out of his depth.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 10:20
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The only surety is the result is never correct/enough
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 10:30
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
Every year they run a number of antiquated and tetchy computer programs to determine how many pilots each fleet and seat needs, and process expected retirements, and internal bids for fleet and seat moves. Every time they think they have a solution, somebody changes the flying plan for next year. This requires a complete re-run, re-plan &c. Once the plan is complete, it needs approval. Finance may elect to trim the plan again, requiring another cycle or two of the above.

Only once this merry go round has ended do they have a plan for what is required, and the pilots get annual bid results. They also know how many new recruits they need, and in what fleets. They may have enough of an inkling before this is all over to make some offers for Jan/Feb but the vast majority of offers are likely to be held back until this process is complete. Last year it was late November...

Thanks for the Info!
So I guess Pilots finding out results of their Bidding approvals is an indication that there will be some movement in the Pool? I presume they must give at least 3 months notice (or whichever one is required)... Nov end info would make it... March end start? Or am I wrong to say that? Any insight as to how many Pilots they need? (Similar to last year?)
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 13:11
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I've heard from a few that recruitment is frozen with fingers pointing at the recent IA. This would explain why the promises of September to give start dates in Jan came and went.
6 787-10 arrive next year among other a/c so sooner or later they will have to call you. Leave buyback is already going on for the 787 crews and the right seat is shorter than the left!!
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
Every year they run a number of antiquated and tetchy computer programs to determine how many pilots each fleet and seat needs, and process expected retirements, and internal bids for fleet and seat moves. Every time they think they have a solution, somebody changes the flying plan for next year. This requires a complete re-run, re-plan &c. Once the plan is complete, it needs approval. Finance may elect to trim the plan again, requiring another cycle or two of the above.

Only once this merry go round has ended do they have a plan for what is required, and the pilots get annual bid results. They also know how many new recruits they need, and in what fleets. They may have enough of an inkling before this is all over to make some offers for Jan/Feb but the vast majority of offers are likely to be held back until this process is complete. Last year it was late November...


You missed the final and most important ingredient - the finger in the air to see which the wind is blowing.....I last got budgeted crew numbers in 1992. You Nigel's are an expensive commodity so any tweaks that can be done will be done - probably not in 1992 - but these days - unlucky
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 00:45
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Anyone through to Stage 3 and hoping to get in a bit of sim practice, preferably South of England, but happy to travel if needed?
Still waiting for release of slot dates, but hoping to get some prep in sooner than later.
Please PM me. Looking to share the cost, as well as buddy up with someone on this.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 14:13
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Has anyone in the hold pool been called for a start date yet?
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by Percula View Post
Has anyone in the hold pool been called for a start date yet?

Nope and I havenít heard of anyone else getting one either. All seems very quiet still
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 12:22
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Bizarrely itís reassuring to know that other swimmers arenít hearing anything either.

Nothing here, likewise for a colleague at my current place on a similar timeline. Weíre both required to give 3 months notice which I guess is industry standard. Itíd be nice to at least get a generic ďwe havenít forgotten about youĒ a bit more often!!
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Jock Trapped View Post
Bizarrely itís reassuring to know that other swimmers arenít hearing anything either.

Nothing here, likewise for a colleague at my current place on a similar timeline. Weíre both required to give 3 months notice which I guess is industry standard. Itíd be nice to at least get a generic ďwe havenít forgotten about youĒ a bit more often!!
What , like a personal touch ?
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 12:52
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Originally Posted by Barcli View Post
What , like a personal touch ?
Fair enough, perhaps thatís a bit too optimistic!
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 20:16
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Given that the manpower planning team have been pretty much under emcon internally for weeks, no great surprise I’m afraid.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 19:06
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Smile Pool

Well, let's hope we hear soon!
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 07:53
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Iíve heard from a pretty good source BA are planning to take 300-450 next year (the high number is what P&P need to make the plan work, the low number is what finance will pay for). 2/3rds of them will be Shorthaul, the balance (about 80-100 depending on which number you use) will be longhaul. Also potentially a resumption of FPP too.

Good luck, swimmers. Itís not all bad when you get here, despite what some might have you believe.


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Old 6th Nov 2019, 08:39
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They just accepted a bunch from Oxford academy this week. Interview/Maths/Verbal/Group Ex all last week in one day, acceptance emails out this week.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 08:59
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Originally Posted by TheAirMission View Post
They just accepted a bunch from Oxford academy this week. Interview/Maths/Verbal/Group Ex all last week in one day, acceptance emails out this week.

Once accepted do they swim in the hold pool the same as DEP?
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 09:38
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Originally Posted by SissySkinner View Post



Once accepted do they swim in the hold pool the same as DEP?
This is what has happened with other newly qualified pilots as far as I am aware
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 11:18
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Would they only go SH? Bit annoying they get everything done in a day when DEP have to keep looking for an elusive assessment slot.

ps colleague of mine was offered 787 but now been changed to 777.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 11:36
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
Would they only go SH?
Yes they will only go short haul. As far as I am aware, they have a longer training footprint than DEPs, but are significantly cheaper once they are trained up. They will be in a hold pool just the same, but that will not mean they are at the back of the current queue. Each pilot is recruited from the pool according to how their particular training footprint, and destination fleet requires. It is not a straight forward first into the pool, first out.
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