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Old 20th Oct 2019, 00:28
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So whatís the consensus? Have the TCX chaps jumped the other swimmers?

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Old 20th Oct 2019, 07:18
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I think that's the underlying query. I can only repeat that I'm highly sceptical, it's not the "BA way"....the only justification for any jumping that does happen might be the sort of scenario Jock Trapped has described.

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Old 20th Oct 2019, 10:34
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A few TCX pilots have been prioritised, screened, offers made, accepted and have start dates. Mix of 320/350 offers. Not a lot and not a threat to remaining hold poolers. Donít know exact numbers but this is from a trainer.

For 2020 the numbers vary greatly. Brexit, possible economic downturn, TCX demise, perhaps another airline going bankrupt in LGW, who knows? It all has a massive impact on recruitment. Even the IA going on will influence the bean counters. And thatís the biggest point, we need pilots, desperately. But not a single one has been approved yet by the budget. The airline is run by finances, they approve the budget and then flight OPS will try their best to make it work. Frustrating for all. We on the line feel the beating of the whip and could use the extra ladies and gents!

Before anybody asks, numbers ranging from 0 recruitment (highly unlikely) to 400 (highly unlikely) for next year. So somewhere in the middle? I joined BA 2 years ago on SH, gave up a regional jet command. Is it perfect? No, far from it. But after surviving three struggling airlines, this is a breath of fresh air!

is it hard work? Yes. Am I happy I did it? Yes. Long term vision is key. I couldnít see myself commuting to a 6-3 pattern regional job on an old jet. 4-5 sectors a day for the rest of my career. Get in, do your thing, have fun on the line (interesting destinations and lovely people to fly with 99 out of a 100).

Just my two cents
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 11:57
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Originally Posted by Saab0409 View Post

is it hard work? Yes. Am I happy I did it? Yes. Long term vision is key. I couldnít see myself commuting to a 6-3 pattern regional job on an old jet. 4-5 sectors a day for the rest of my career. Get in, do your thing, have fun on the line (interesting destinations and lovely people to fly with 99 out of a 100).

Just my two cents
Fully agree with this. Yes, hard work but a unified work force able to fight for (arguably) te best T and C in the industry. My only regret is not making the move 4 years previous.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 12:09
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Originally Posted by Saab0409 View Post
A few TCX pilots have been prioritised, screened, offers made, accepted and have start dates. Mix of 320/350 offers. Not a lot and not a threat to remaining hold poolers. Don’t know exact numbers but this is from a trainer.


Ah well, sounds unusual but shows even after all this time every day is a school day when it come to understanding the BA way..

TBH I can't see how anybody recently made redundant by TCX having already been given start dates doesn't potentially "threaten" in some way shape or form some of those remaining in the hold pool, but I think I'd best leave that for others better placed to debate.

Thanks for the update.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 13:26
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post


Fully agree with this. Yes, hard work but a unified work force able to fight for (arguably) te best T and C in the industry. My only regret is not making the move 4 years previous.
Best T&Cís in the industry? Thatíll be a hell of a fight to achieve this- as a new joiner you donít even have as good a T&C as your slightly longer serving colleagues.

Additionally, if TCX holdpoolers have been prioritised thatís a bit of a joke. Itíd definitely jeopardise everyone in the holdpool theyíve leapfrogged, itís simply has to have done. At the very least itís put them up the seniority list which in itself is a joke. I wonder if BA called everyone in the hold pool to ask if theyíre still in work, or just assumed itís only TCX crew that arenít working since applying. I doubt it.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 13:31
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Originally Posted by VJW View Post


Best T&C’s in the industry? That’ll be a hell of a fight to achieve this- as a new joiner you don’t even have as good a T&C as your slightly longer serving colleagues.

Additionally, if TCX holdpoolers have been prioritised that’s a bit of a joke. It’d definitely jeopardise everyone in the holdpool they’ve leapfrogged, it’s simply has to have done. At the very least it’s put them up the seniority list which in itself is a joke. I wonder if BA called everyone in the hold pool to ask if they’re still in work, or just assumed it’s only TCX crew that aren’t working since applying. I doubt it.

mate, if things like this wind you up to that extent I’d suggest BA may not be for you. You’ll need a much stronger give a “[email protected]@k ‘ometer “ to survive at this outfit.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 14:47
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Pool

Hi all,

In the pool....No updates...Did anyone hear or any indication of any movement?
Are they waiting for 31st Oct :P (Brexit)
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 15:50
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There is always a whole lot of chopping and changing of the coming yearís flying plan at this time of year. They tend to need to have a clear idea of the plan for internal movements before they can finalise plans for new recruits, and as a result there is always a lack of information and then a sudden mad rush to train up new recruits. I am sure the Brexit shenanigans, constantly changing ongoing 787 engine issues, pilot strikes, general global economic outlook, and plenty of other variables are causing real headaches for the planners just at the moment.

With regards to who is spending ages in the hold pool and who is not, and what those reasons are, if indeed it is even happening; there really is no point in even asking the question, never mind worrying about it. BA will do as they please and you would have a job on your hands changing the process from within, never mind as an aspiring employee. For what it is worth, the latest figure I have heard is 300 new recruits for next year, so you will all be in soon enough.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 15:51
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Originally Posted by 3Greens View Post


mate, if things like this wind you up to that extent Iíd suggest BA may not be for you. Youíll need a much stronger give a ď[email protected]@k Ďometer ď to survive at this outfit.
I suspected this a few years ago which is why Iím not there mate.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 16:37
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Originally Posted by VJW View Post

Additionally, if TCX holdpoolers have been prioritised thatís a bit of a joke. Itíd definitely jeopardise everyone in the holdpool theyíve leapfrogged, itís simply has to have done. At the very least itís put them up the seniority list which in itself is a joke. I wonder if BA called everyone in the hold pool to ask if theyíre still in work, or just assumed itís only TCX crew that arenít working since applying. I doubt it.
I personally thought it was to be applauded that theyíve finally showed some heart (and of course the fact they have an Airbus rating, but Iíd like to think the first) and fast tracked those in desperate need for work. You know, Christmas and mortgages. In these slightly dark times, I welcome this kind of news.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 20:33
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Good evening to everyone.
How much chance for a foreign FO tr320f with 1300tt coming from a yellow low cost?
Are they looking for these kind of profiles?
BA it is my dream
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 20:40
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Those of you swimming have my sympathy. I spent 6 months swimming as I was not Airbus rated at this time of year a few years back. My sim partner who was got in very quickly and is now around 120 places senior to me, which equates to a good year or two difference achieving a long haul command. As frustrating as it is, no point getting fussed about it as it is simply out of your control.

The information flow doesnít get any better within the company, as those waiting for annual bid results and course dates will testify. The 2020 plan changes pretty much daily for reasons well outside recruitmentís control, but I think GS Alpha is right in that there will be jobs for all in the pool soon enough.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 21:33
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Originally Posted by Xavier999 View Post
Good evening to everyone.
How much chance for a foreign FO tr320f with 1300tt coming from a yellow low cost?
Are they looking for these kind of profiles?
BA it is my dream
Do you have:
The right to live and work in the UK?
A CAA (f)ATPL?
ICAO Level 6 English, spoken and written?
MPA type rating on over 10 Tonnes Acft?
(and I don't think a rating on a JAA license is transferable to a CAA license)

If so, you can apply with City-Flyer, and after 2 years apply to transfer to BA.....
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 21:50
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Originally Posted by hans brinker View Post
Do you have:
The right to live and work in the UK?
A CAA (f)ATPL?
ICAO Level 6 English, spoken and written?
MPA type rating on over 10 Tonnes Acft?
(and I don't think a rating on a JAA license is transferable to a CAA license)

If so, you can apply with City-Flyer, and after 2 years apply to transfer to BA.....
Yes, all of them. I have an EASA one of course. I have still slots available for the direct entry on the mainline.

I would like to know if they like profiles like mine, foreign pilot with not so much experience

Thank to everyone that will answer.
BA itís my dream
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 07:19
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Hi Xavier999,
There are lots of non UK nationals flying for BA. The experience they had when they joined ranged from straight out of flight school to training captains elsewhere before they joined and everything in between.

I would personally strongly advise against joining Cityflyer in order to join BA. You waste 2 years at least while there is absolutely not advantage of applying from Cityflyer to BA. The only benefit is that from Cityflyer you get a guaranteed invitation if you apply vs you have to put in some effort to answer the application (give an example of...) questions properly, but other then that it doesn't really increase your changes of getting in dramatically.
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Xavier999 View Post


Yes, all of them. I have an EASA one of course. I have still slots available for the direct entry on the mainline.

I would like to know if they like profiles like mine, foreign pilot with not so much experience

Thank to everyone that will answer.
BA itís my dream
Good for you, sorry, shouldn't have assumed you didn't know basic requirements. Go for it, hope it works (I will stay at NK).
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 08:31
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Havenít heard that for a long time.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 09:00
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Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder View Post


Havenít heard that for a long time.
Donít work in their recruitment I see
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 18:11
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Hello guys,

From the latest rumour (which I am sure would be discussed here)...
Maybe start dates for the 1st quarter of 2020 for people in the pool
I don't know if this means starting in Q1 or physically getting a date to turn up in Q1...
Any insight on how these last few months work at BA before the sudden rush to hunt Pilots would be nice?

Cheers!
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