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Old 30th Dec 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
Long Haul I doubt you’d have to rent a car as long as you were staying in striking range of Gatwick or Heathrow as you could just National Express coach it from Gatwick or better if you’re staying around Heathrow just hop on the bus. No early reports and much fewer (I would imagine) last minute two hour call outs, which even then is still achievable from Gatters with the frequency of coaches up to Heathrow every day.

Just for info/completeness for Falling Penguin....

Longhaul reports start at about 0630 ..(I think the earliest currently is a 0635 report for a two day TLV).

I've been called out many a time from Standby at the two hour point, and if the **** hits the fan and somebody goes sick after report - it happens, then it's not unusual for ops to ask .." err...we know you are on two hours but how quickly can you get here..."..It may suit you to amble in from your accomodation fairly quickly but the contractural agreement for LHR is two hours warning...

FWIW for LHR based pilots, including everybody on the T7, the Home Standby (HSB) "two hour to car park rule" only applies for an LHR report..if as a LHR based Long Haul pilot you get called from HSB to do a LGW trip you are simply required to get to LGW as soon as possible..

When I'm on reserve I use one of the LHR Bath Road B and Bs - if I get called for LGW I use the coach...I've never rented a car for reserve.
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 12:31
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Great information - thanks to all.
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 12:57
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Just for info/completeness for Falling Penguin....

Longhaul reports start at about 0630 ..(I think the earliest currently is a 0635 report for a two day TLV).
Its easy to tell youíre Long Haul and Iím Short Haul, Wiggy because our definitions of an early report are very different!
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 13:23
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
Its easy to tell you’re Long Haul and I’m Short Haul, Wiggy because our definitions of an early report are very different!


That'll teach me for not saying "at base" ...

I see your point and raise you the more than a few really horrible just after midnight/very early AM UTC reports kicking around in Longhaul that don't happen in the full glare of CRC... .....hence all those uniformed individuals getting off the crew buses at the crew car parks at LHR/LGW at zero dark 30 when many of you fine folk are heading into work....
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 13:29
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Fair point!

(the crux of my point about the earlies was really just to say that there’s no frequency of coaches from Gatwick to Heathrow from dead of night almost until about 06:30 or so for the early Heathrow reports but Falling Penguin need not even stay near Gatwick it’s just what I used to do for ease of getting home).

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Old 31st Dec 2019, 10:32
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I appreciate no one has a crystal ball, but is it likely that BA will continue to recruit in the numbers they have done for the last five years? I can think of reasons why recruitment would increase in the way it has done (retirements, leavers, part time, expansion), but have trouble expecting that any of those would lead to a sustained intake of ~200 DEPs per year.

Iíve probably not considered something obvious, and I donít have access to the numbers for this stuff, but there seems to be quite a lot of potential for new joiners to sit close to the bottom of the list for a long time.
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Old 31st Dec 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by Gingerbread Man View Post
I appreciate no one has a crystal ball, but is it likely that BA will continue to recruit in the numbers they have done for the last five years? I can think of reasons why recruitment would increase in the way it has done (retirements, leavers, part time, expansion), but have trouble expecting that any of those would lead to a sustained intake of ~200 DEPs per year.

Iíve probably not considered something obvious, and I donít have access to the numbers for this stuff, but there seems to be quite a lot of potential for new joiners to sit close to the bottom of the list for a long time.
Broadly speaking over the next decade the number of retirements and part time requests are likely to drive substantial recruitment. Add to that the circa 1% of medical retirements each year and those leaving from the bottom of the list for myriad reasons and I can't see recruitment slowing down that much. There may be blips in line with the economic atmosphere of course.
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Old 31st Dec 2019, 11:41
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Originally Posted by Gingerbread Man View Post
I appreciate no one has a crystal ball, but is it likely that BA will continue to recruit in the numbers they have done for the last five years? I can think of reasons why recruitment would increase in the way it has done (retirements, leavers, part time, expansion), but have trouble expecting that any of those would lead to a sustained intake of ~200 DEPs per year.

Iíve probably not considered something obvious, and I donít have access to the numbers for this stuff, but there seems to be quite a lot of potential for new joiners to sit close to the bottom of the list for a long time.
~200 pilots a year does seem like a lot to sustain but it is actually only 5% of the workforce, which doesnít seem that difficult to imagine with a bit of expansion, retirement, demand for part time, and recently recruited pilots deciding BA isnít quite what they expected.
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Old 31st Dec 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey View Post
Broadly speaking over the next decade the number of retirements and part time requests are likely to drive substantial recruitment.
However nobody got granted a transfer onto a Aspirational Part Time as a result of the latest run ,( due to pressures on recruitment and training,) and it will be interesting to see how many bids for Right to Request get approved given the current climate.

One look at the relevant place on Yammer shows that a few of the late 1980ís DEPs are starting to shuffle off, plus rumours of resignations from the bottom of the list so who knows what the requirement will be? ..I suspect there will be a few hundred a year for the foreseeable future, Finance allowing. In terms of joining BA and then moving rapidly up the seniority list it is worth bearing in mind that although the senior old g**** are thinning out there are a lot of the early Cadets (late 80 entry dates onwards) with maybe a decade to go sitting at or near the top of the lists...
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Old 31st Dec 2019, 18:58
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Hi everyone,

quick question - as a new joiner with low seniority at Heathrow, how hard would it be to get mainly day trips? I donít mind doing 4 sector days etc (if these exist) but I live nearby and donít commute as such.

Thanks
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Old 1st Jan 2020, 00:56
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If you accept (which you wonít have much choice in anyway) the low credit stuff, ie ďshortĒ day trips NCE, TXL, PRG, BLQ, BCN etc it will be fairly easy. You can set minimal night stops as a bid and it should work for you, I know a couple of people who do exactly that. As above, swapping is relatively easy anyway.
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Old 1st Jan 2020, 08:16
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Originally Posted by Thegreenmachine View Post
If you accept (which you wonít have much choice in anyway) the low credit stuff, ie ďshortĒ day trips NCE, TXL, PRG, BLQ, BCN etc it will be fairly easy. You can set minimal night stops as a bid and it should work for you, I know a couple of people who do exactly that. As above, swapping is relatively easy anyway.
Okay, thank you. And once youíve got some decent seniority - you at able to get high credit day trips too?

thanks
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Old 1st Jan 2020, 11:13
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Originally Posted by kookiesandkreme View Post

Okay, thank you. And once youíve got some decent seniority - you at able to get high credit day trips too?

thanks
Ask me again in a few years !

In a nutshell yes. Or you can be more flexible with day off requests, or you can bid for the longer layovers, or you can bid for the nice destinations with decent hotel, or you can bid for the trips with only one operating sector back, or, or...
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Old 1st Jan 2020, 21:10
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Originally Posted by Heisenb3rg View Post
If anyone is currently at BA and knows anything about pensions (specifically the LTA, the pension tax relief taper, and company contributions once youíve hit the LTA) could you send me a private message? Iíve got a few questions!
bump.


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Old 4th Jan 2020, 21:04
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Question

Hello all,

Starting BA A320 LHR...

I have some buzzing questions...
Anyone please kindly share some light...

Is it easier to get (considering the bottom of seniority placement) night stops or you're likely to get day trips as a junior?
Personally I don't mind long trips away but not sure how realistic it will be to get those?
Also, what is the average longest trip on A320 fleet at LHR?

Secondly overtime I heard it gets our credits?
How does one get overtime is it generally a call or you have an option in the bidding system?
I am not sure of the system and how it works so sorry in advance to ask silly questions!

Any idea on the roster at LHR... I know its completely varied and depends on seniority. But generally is it busy in summer and winter both or it has phases
Thanks! I am excited to join to see what's inside the tin!

Fly safe!
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Old 4th Jan 2020, 22:10
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Hi Safety, well done and welcome

Roster, you bid placing types of trips in a order of preference. There are loads of options but to keep it simple if you want trips you say I want trips 2-4 days. If you don’t mind day trips you say, I’ll have these too but I prefer trips.....it’s way more complicated but you will get a 1052 page brief guide to it.

Day trips, yes but probably the lower credit 4:30 stuff and early and weekends. Trips, yes but again probably the 2 day 6. You may see some 3 or 4 days trips but they tend to be more desirable unless they slam 4 sectors in day 2 and 3. Max trip length is 5 days.

Overtime. Providing you are above CAP....remember that first statement. You can pick up any available work via our online system. You can also trade trips for others you prefer, subject to the rules. If you pick up a overtime trip and you are over CAP you will be paid at your bidline rate x 1.2 for the trip.....yes a amazing 20% extra! If that trip is 4:30 credit (min credit per day) you will get 4.5 x your hourly rate at the premium of 1.2

Example you pick up a BCN it’s 4:30 and your rate is £60, you will get £324 plus flight pay and duty pay before tax. The fact it’s 7 hours duty seems to be missed on BA.

Rosters are busier in the summer than the winter but it is never really slack. I did roughly 800hrs and 185 days work last year. Busiest month was 18days.......actually an improvement over the old system for me.
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Old 4th Jan 2020, 22:48
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The premium rate is lower for short haul than it is for long haul then? I did not know that.
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Old 4th Jan 2020, 23:31
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Overtime. Providing you are above CAP....remember that first statement. You can pick up any available work via our online system. You can also trade trips for others you prefer, subject to the rules. If you pick up a overtime trip and you are over CAP you will be paid at your bidline rate x 1.2 for the trip.....yes a amazing 20% extra! If that trip is 4:30 credit (min credit per day) you will get 4.5 x your hourly rate at the premium of 1.2
Minor points I suppose but a) is it definite that since the introduction of JSS we need to have met CAP before overtime is paid? And b) pretty sure it's still 1.25 on NCP, not that it makes a huge difference to anyone.

BA do rely on those lower down the list picking up overtime. They get dirt cheap labour (i.e. PP1 overtime rates, which are shite) whilst desperate newbie's get a fraction more in their pay cheque. The whole system is designed such that those needing cash the most are paid the least.
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 00:33
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Doesn't it depend on whether you have Time Assignability (TASS) on your line or not?

If you have TASS hours on your line (for whatever reason) you will only get overtime for the hours worked over the CAP..if OTOH you are TASS free (e.g; bank hours used to "get" you to CAP) then all overtime is payable...

In my defence I'd add I think only a handful of people claim to understand JSS, I reckon in reality maybe one person might have a clue..and I'm not of of them...

TBH looking at some junior (Longhaul) lines recently I'm not sure WTH there would be any scope or space for overtime.
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 09:36
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Yeah it’s 1.25

TASS, you need to have discharged your TASS by picking up work or have the TASS as time expired before you pick up any work. If you don’t do that you just offset the TASS without any overtime pay.

FO’s do squeeze in overtime but their rosters are constant 6 on 1 off 5 on 2 off kind of deal. Overtime is really not very appealing but Wiggy sums it up nicely.


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