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Old 18th Oct 2019, 14:38
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Originally Posted by boeing89 View Post


Iím in the same boat as you Morris Ogg. Been in the hold pool since May...previously told to expect a start in Jan-Feb but not sure if that still holds true. Fingers crossed though!
Same here, itís all gone very quiet. Wondering if TCX, Brexit, IA all have a bearing on 2020 requirements?
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 14:57
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Originally Posted by kookiesandkreme View Post
Hi, Iím thinking about applying when they next open up, but am only fussed about long haul, is it unheard of for someone who isnít able to unfreeze to go directly to long haul? Or is it 100% required to be able to unfreeze?
If you are talking about having an fATPL and looking to go long haul at BA then I beleive the answer is no, you need an ATPL for the long haul fleet.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 15:37
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Originally Posted by kookiesandkreme View Post
Hi, Iím thinking about applying when they next open up, but am only fussed about long haul, is it unheard of for someone who isnít able to unfreeze to go directly to long haul? Or is it 100% required to be able to unfreeze?
ATPL required, due requirement for FOs to become acting PIC when in-flight rest facilities are in use.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 16:05
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Originally Posted by clvf88 View Post
ATPL required, due requirement for FOs to become acting PIC when in-flight rest facilities are in use.
unless you have the hours and just need the type rating to unlock the licence.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 16:38
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Given whatís happened recently and how the workforce has been treated im amazed anyone is still actually considering the move
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 16:39
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post

unless you have the hours and just need the type rating to unlock the licence.
Very true. I know people who have done the ATPL check items as part of their initial LST and then applied for the licence. What I should have said is you need an ATPL, or have all required hours to apply for one.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 17:02
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Originally Posted by corporaljones View Post
Given whatís happened recently and how the workforce has been treated im amazed anyone is still actually considering the move
I take your point, but for those of us having gone through the long process that is BA recruitment, presumably because what may be on offer is still better than where we are, itíd be nice to have some idea of what may be available instead of just treading water waiting to drown. Perhaps for some the future hinges on what fleet (SH/LH) is offered, but would be nice to know.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 17:09
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Originally Posted by Jock Trapped View Post


I take your point, but for those of us having gone through the long process that is BA recruitment, presumably because what may be on offer is still better than where we are, itíd be nice to have some idea of what may be available instead of just treading water waiting to drown. Perhaps for some the future hinges on what fleet (SH/LH) is offered, but would be nice to know.
yeh fair enough, all the best and I genuinely hope it works for you 👍
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 17:39
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Ten years ago the hold pool was drained due financial crisis knock on and swimmers had to reapply two years later if they felt the need.
i donít think that will repeat and 2020 courses will be available and those in hold pool dovetailed in to courses where required.
Six 787 and further seven 350s to be delivered by end 2020.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 20:37
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I've been swimming since April. Still expecting a Q1 2020 start.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 21:13
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Same, been swimming since March. Last told a start date Jan/Feb and would be told Sep/poss Oct. Itís all gone very quite recently. I think the Tícook situation is likely to have a big impact on our start dates.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Biggles88 View Post
Same, been swimming since March. Last told a start date Jan/Feb and would be told Sep/poss Oct. Itís all gone very quite recently. I think the Tícook situation is likely to have a big impact on our start dates.
Any idea whether BA have actually taken on guys/girls from Thomas Cook?
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 04:11
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Originally Posted by boeing89 View Post
Any idea whether BA have actually taken on guys/girls from Thomas Cook?
If you mean "taken on," as putting through interview/selection - don't know...if you mean "taken on" as in actually working for BA, I'd suggest very strongly that the answer is no.

Reason being in as some of you will find out BA very works very very much by "process" and personally, IMVHO, I can't see BA side stepping the whole current recruiting system and bypassing those in the DEP hold pool to get ex Thomas Cook pilots on-line...but that's just my take on it..

I think UK/world economic factors are going to have a much bigger effect on uptake from the hold pool than the demise of Thomas Cook.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:37
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A few guys from TCX who entered the holdpool around June / July have been given start dates in January for SH and LH.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:40
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Thanks for the update.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:47
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TC Pilots are of particular attraction if they are A330/350 rated
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 17:36
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Originally Posted by boeing89 View Post
Any idea whether BA have actually taken on guys/girls from Thomas Cook?
I was in the hood pool when Monarch went bust, and no one jumped the queue to the best of my knowledge.

As doubtless you know, seniority is king at BA, which essentially starts with your sim assessment date. That is the order in which start date offers are given (fleet/LH/SH specific of course, depending on requirements).

And so I’d expect BA to follow that script this time. They got a bit of stick for not doing what VS did, who made a big noise about offering opportunities to Monarch pilots, but as Wiggy says, the company are very process driven.
And the reality is that Virgin likely made a noise to generate some good PR, and the number of MON pilots they took on ahead of those they had already assessed was probably very very small...

FCR

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Old 19th Oct 2019, 17:53
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Thanks to wiggy, flying11red, phantom4 and FCR...all really interesting insights
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 19:40
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Also keep in mind that they surely want as much flexibility RE: fleet planning as they can get. Given most people have a 3 month notice period, it seems logical that they’d offer people start dates with 3 months and 1 day to go, with 1 day to respond to the offer.

All that to say: for start dates in Feb they don’t need to make the offer until the end of November at the latest.

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Old 19th Oct 2019, 19:43
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How come people in the hold pool are starting courses before those already in the pool??
As you say, are BA not process driven, therefore we should all be in order. ?
swimming since March.
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