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Old 11th Dec 2019, 10:40
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Originally Posted by Heisenb3rg View Post


thanks for this! 75% RTR possibly sounding like it could be desirable to ensure some certainty that youíre not away from home every day of every month, with the knowledge that youíre likely working harder than you should be on the day on...

in terms of RTR - are these accepted often or is it quite hard to come by? I presume you need a fairly good reason, such as child care / elderly parents needing care etc ...
The law around right to request changed a few years ago. You donít need a reason anymore to request part time working. But right to request by employee is also right to refuse by employer.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 11:14
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Heisenb3rg, take a look at my post #6672 of this thread.


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Old 11th Dec 2019, 11:42
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing View Post


The law around right to request changed a few years ago. You donít need a reason anymore to request part time working. But right to request by employee is also right to refuse by employer.

Part Time is a great option to offer as it really motivates crews (well some do still want a part time contract on full pay). But you've also got to keep the manpower up as if not the full timers start taking a hit - its a fine divide. The Management need to buy into it also as the costs are normally higher.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 13:32
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing View Post
But right to request by employee is also right to refuse by employer.
well not really, the company can continue to deny applications (at the moment on the basis of crewing levels) but itís important to bear in mind that ultimately they are legally bound to demonstrate they are providing opportunities for part time working. They are hardly demonstrating compliance with the law if the majority of requests are getting turned down. So sooner or later that will have to change and the floodgates will probably open at the start of the next downturn.

In answer to the question about the nature of work in LGW yes itís mainly daytrips. Thereís only three nightstop destinations in Gatwick: Edinburgh, Glasgow and Jersey. Hence the scope for additional pay in terms of time away from base is reduced compared with LHR.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 15:44
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Hello, a little guidance please. If I had received an offer and signed the contract, but then decided that I didn't want to join BA due to my current employer making a better offer. Other than burning all bridges with BA are there any other contractual implications that could bite me?
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 20:30
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Following, Just about to do the same!!
offer from BA is just not good enough to leave current employer, a 5/4 roster home every night is pricelsss.
also not over 700hrs in the past year.
I fear the future is not similar in BA.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 23:54
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Out of curiosity, were there unexpected bits of the contract that didn't appeal, or was it the base/fleet offer? Just trying to guage reasons as it's such a mission to get through to an offer stage, and then have to consider turning it down.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 07:47
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow View Post
Out of curiosity, were there unexpected bits of the contract that didn't appeal, or was it the base/fleet offer? Just trying to guage reasons as it's such a mission to get through to an offer stage, and then have to consider turning it down.
My money is on the two J s
JSS + Juniority
It is no fun being endlessly beaten by the global constraints stick month after month.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 12:12
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow View Post
Out of curiosity, were there unexpected bits of the contract that didn't appeal, or was it the base/fleet offer? Just trying to guage reasons as it's such a mission to get through to an offer stage, and then have to consider turning it down.
Contract etc all fine and I know what I was letting myself in for. BA was a backup due to uncertainty at current workplace, that uncertainty has nearly disappeared and the quality of life definitely outweighs what I could expect at BA.

The reason for the original post: The uncertainty should be completely gone within the next 10 days, is it within my rights to sign contract (to keep the automated system happy) and then remove myself from the process?
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 15:33
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BA will not blink an eye lid. You will not have a black mark against you. I would thank them for the opportunity and say your decision is based on the needs of your family and a change in circumstances at your current employer.

Hell they asked me why I wanted to leave my previous employer to which I replied “I don’t I am very happy there”

If they ask why you came to that decision by all means tell them what the factors were. Let’s face it they will understand and probably already know. I know someone who turned the offer down, explained why and apologised for the late notice. BA wished them the best of luck and left the door open in the future.

Good luck with your decision. BA is not for everyone, it’s not as good as it was but it is not so bad that I have left either.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 16:50
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Thanks bex, just what I was after.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 20:31
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Youíll have no issues, theyíd rather that than put you through type rating / line training only for you to give your notice straight away (no bond at BA)
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 19:29
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Just had a recruitment email to say A320 DEP is open again. Guess that means good news for us still paddling?!
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 07:40
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Bid results are out yesterday. Nothing too shocking but the plan is for just shy of 300 new entrants in 2020. Merry Xmas to those in the pool waiting a start date.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 14:32
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Also worth noting the Annual Bid for fleet/position has commands at both LGW/LHR on the A320 for DEPís (with enough hours) with only 1 year in the company. Being at the bottom of JSS is that unpalatable that this anomaly exists. If, however, you see lucrative positions globally that require say 1000 hours as P1, BA has become a great stepping stone for individuals with that in mind.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 16:51
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No JSS in Gatwick thankfully. Carmen is actually far kinder to the junior pilots here.

Iíve said it before but itís a better base for SH than Heathrow unless you live the wrong side of the M25 in which case I can see how itís a bit of a drag.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 17:03
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Do you maintain your seniority if you transfer between LGW & LHR?
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 17:26
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Yes you keep your seniority
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 11:01
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I have just had a quick look through the PRIAM results, and I do not see any short haul command courses for anyone with a year or even two years of seniority. Or am I reading it incorrectly? I make the most junior 320 LHR pilot nearly 700 places from the bottom of the list, and I doubt they will be doing their course until about this time next year, probably after about 4 years as an FO? LGW commands are a bit more junior but still nearly 450 places from the bottom, so the course will be nearly 3 years after joining.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 11:10
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It looks like about 850 pilots from the bottom is approximately 5 years in, as that is where the engagement freeze appears to end.
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