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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 12:21
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic View Post

So coming home every night would not work for me unless I paid for hotels which kind of defeats the purpose of commuting. I refuse to live in London with all that grime crime and slime as I have a wife and daughter and wont expose them to all that rubbish.

Any thoughts are most welcome.
Grime, crime and slime?

Yeah if you believe all the media.

Loads of lovely areas stones throw to LHR. Twickenham, Teddington Richmond lovely areas not too expensive.

If you can afford it Chiswick, Kew are great. 15 mins to T5 or tube it in 30-40. No parking to worry about.

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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 15:43
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Originally Posted by Enzo999 View Post


There are other places to live than London! LGW get very few layovers 2 a month if your lucky. LHR many more. Lots of guys commute from LHR, but to be honest looks like a nightmare to me.
Sure I realise that but was just stating my dislike for London and not wanting to live there. If I did live back in the UK where would you suggest that is very nice to live and commutable to LGW and possibly LHR?

Thanks for your help
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 16:02
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post

Grime, crime and slime?

Yeah if you believe all the media.

Loads of lovely areas stones throw to LHR. Twickenham, Teddington Richmond lovely areas not too expensive.

If you can afford it Chiswick, Kew are great. 15 mins to T5 or tube it in 30-40. No parking to worry about.

Thanks for the repliy, yeah there are nice places outside of London for sure like you mentioned. Maybe I seriously need to consider EZY as a few have mentioned.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 16:06
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Honestly have no idea why anyone would consider BA if Long Haul is not of any interest and you donít want to live near Heathrow
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 17:10
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Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic View Post
Sure I realise that but was just stating my dislike for London and not wanting to live there. If I did live back in the UK where would you suggest that is very nice to live and commutable to LGW and possibly LHR?

Thanks for your help
In-between is slightly difficult because you are limited to the outer edges of the southern M25. So places like Epsom, Weybridge, Chertsey, Guildford! All very expensive. Once you know your base you can draw a 30 miles ring and almost pick anywhere. I canít really talk about LGW but I live just west of LHR in Buckinghamshire, lots of lovely places out that way. Henley, Marlow, Amersham. Oxfordshire even Chinnor, Thame, Oxford. Basically follow the M40 or M4 out of London and most places are nice and a lot cheaper than the city.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 17:23
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Originally Posted by zero/zero View Post
Honestly have no idea why anyone would consider BA if Long Haul is not of any interest and you donít want to live near Heathrow
This sums it up.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 18:14
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Is there anyone who can shed some light on the roster for longhaul pilots?
1 - Is it possible to commute from another country?
2 - If you live in another European country how many days at home (on average) would you have per month?
3 - Is it possible to pay taxes etc in the country of domicile instead of the UK?

Thanks in advance for any information!
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 18:20
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Plenty lovely places to live in Surrey/Sussex too if you're aiming for a home-every-night base like LGW.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 18:26
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Originally Posted by Tricia Takanawa View Post
be a company that you are actually proud to say that you work for, with a much nicer day out when at work, rather than planning a mission to Mars every report.
Sums it up

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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 18:26
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Originally Posted by Stocious View Post
Plenty lovely places to live in Surrey/Sussex too if you're aiming for a home-every-night base like LGW.
Lovely offer however I'd prefer to live abroad and commute to work. Prefer to fly than deal with London traffic!
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 19:21
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Originally Posted by flyingmed View Post
Is there anyone who can shed some light on the roster for longhaul pilots?
1 - Is it possible to commute from another country?
2 - If you live in another European country how many days at home (on average) would you have per month?
3 - Is it possible to pay taxes etc in the country of domicile instead of the UK?

Thanks in advance for any information!
1 - Yes it is. Although the staff travel audit is making it harder and harder for commuters as the company is taking a dim view of those who commute on the same day as report.

2 - Youíll be junior on the long haul fleets. Bear in mind that the junior guys are the ones getting JSS absolute disaster rosters of six trips a month with minimum days off in between (which Iíve no doubt you werenít shown on any recruitment roadshow/day). Coupled with point 1 above you have to consider if this is really worth it if you only have two days off between most trips and youíre being forced to come back the night before your next trip due to the intimidatory attitude from BA management. Of course if you have staff travel with another airline then youíre onto a winner. You might end up with only five useful full days at home a month in this scenario.

3 - Yes. As long as you can limit your time in the U.K. to a maximum of 90 nights in the tax year. Youíll still pay national insurance (social security) in the U.K. regardless of your domicile.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 20:08
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Originally Posted by flyingmed View Post
3 - Is it possible to pay taxes etc in the country of domicile instead of the UK?
It’s a complex subject and has been the subject of heated debate here. Simplistic answer is that if you meet the requirements to be non resident in the U.K. for tax purposes ( and there is much more to it than simply avoiding being in the U.K. for 90 days) you may well still end paying some U.K. income tax and also some income tax where you are resident.

As Rex has said you pay full U.K. National Insurance, which may exempt you from some social charges on income in your country of residence.


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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 20:45
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Originally Posted by zero/zero View Post
Honestly have no idea why anyone would consider BA if Long Haul is not of any interest and you donít want to live near Heathrow
Youíre right here. BA is probably the best long-haul job in the UK but definitely the worst short-haul job. If you donít want to do long-haul then there are far better short-haul options.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 21:02
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The worst short haul job? Do 5 years and youíll barely work a weekend ever again with your choice of earlies / lates / daytrips / tours.

The days at work are so much easier compared to low cost, you just need to figure out how to not be bothered by the BA machine. I really enjoy it!
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 21:37
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Originally Posted by Enzo999 View Post


In-between is slightly difficult because you are limited to the outer edges of the southern M25. So places like Epsom, Weybridge, Chertsey, Guildford! All very expensive. Once you know your base you can draw a 30 miles ring and almost pick anywhere. I canít really talk about LGW but I live just west of LHR in Buckinghamshire, lots of lovely places out that way. Henley, Marlow, Amersham. Oxfordshire even Chinnor, Thame, Oxford. Basically follow the M40 or M4 out of London and most places are nice and a lot cheaper than the city.
I dont really think a junior FO could afford anything other than a tent in places like Henley and Marlow, unless your other half is a surgeon or something
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 22:48
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Originally Posted by flyingmed View Post
Lovely offer however I'd prefer to live abroad and commute to work. Prefer to fly than deal with London traffic!
Cool. I live in a lovely house in the Sussex countryside, near a lovely school, spend every night in my own bed and I leave the house 25 mins before report time. I know which I'd prefer!
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 06:43
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Originally Posted by WhatTheDeuce View Post
The worst short haul job? Do 5 years and youíll barely work a weekend ever again with your choice of earlies / lates / daytrips / tours.

The days at work are so much easier compared to low cost, you just need to figure out how to not be bothered by the BA machine. I really enjoy it!
Not true. These days 5yrs will likely give you the seniority for the LHS on short haul, where you will be as junior as it gets and staring down the barrel of some really grim rosters for a very long time.

If if you want to stay in the RHS then youíll probably do ok, but the people that choose to do that rather than move on to other fleets and seats are few and far between.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 08:01
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Originally Posted by Mylius View Post
BA is probably the best long-haul job in the UK
Have you seen a junior LH roster nowadays? At least in the days of Bidline you had Seeded Blindlines and you could go somewhere decent and not work too too hard. Nowadays you can expect to pick up all the crap, with six trips with minimum days off in between. Thereís guys now actively bidding for reserve because it gives them a better work/life balance, thatís saying something! Virgin fly 750 hours a year on a full time roster to our 900. That alone disproves your point. The case of the DEP who did a couple of months on the 787, took the type rating then buggered off to Virgin tells its own story.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 08:27
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post


Have you seen a junior LH roster nowadays? At least in the days of Bidline you had Seeded Blindlines and you could go somewhere decent and not work too too hard. Nowadays you can expect to pick up all the crap, with six trips with minimum days off in between. Thereís guys now actively bidding for reserve because it gives them a better work/life balance, thatís saying something! Virgin fly 750 hours a year on a full time roster to our 900. That alone disproves your point. The case of the DEP who did a couple of months on the 787, took the type rating then buggered off to Virgin tells its own story.





Just for completeness, Seeded Blindlines were ONLY on the 747.....the other long haul fleets weren't so lucky. However when I joined on a LH Fleet Blindlines were pretty good and trading with EOT was very easy allowing me to totally rewrite my roster some months.

I'm currently about 2/3 down the P2 list on the 777.....rosters are manageable but under JSS I'm very realistic about what I can expect so bid accordingly. My real gripe at the moment is the number of weekends worked per annum which is ridiculous. In fact it's having a very serious impact on my family life. That said, I met a lovely bloke on my last trip who's just vacated the LHS of the Bus to return to the RHS on the triple. So short of moving to the RHS of the SH Bus and gaining a huge chunk of relative seniority I'm stuck with it. Hopefully the efforts towards getting a fairer balance of weekends off can be achieved soon!

As you say, stories of DEP's joining then swiftly leaving (I know of at least 2 other guys who've done the same) and people giving up a BA Short Haul Command to return to the RHS on a Long Haul fleet to regain some sort of life out of work says a lot!!! Pretty sad really isn't it.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 08:30
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Originally Posted by DuctOvht View Post


Not true. These days 5yrs will likely give you the seniority for the LHS on short haul, where you will be as junior as it gets and staring down the barrel of some really grim rosters for a very long time.

If if you want to stay in the RHS then youíll probably do ok, but the people that choose to do that rather than move on to other fleets and seats are few and far between.
Indeed - so you can either stay as an FO with a decent lifestyle, get your command with an extra £25k per year and more weekend working, or for the same cash you get your command and go 75% with an extra 13 weeks off per year.

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