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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 17:22
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Originally Posted by Toolonginthisjob View Post

Incidentally. I thought the rumour was that recruitment is being significantly scaled back for 2020, and potentially beyond. Make of that what you will.


Does anyone know how much truth there is in this? Or about the implications for those of us currently in the SH holdpool? Last update I had was to expect Jan/Feb start.

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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Toolonginthisjob View Post

That’s not really true though, is it? BA have a number of pilots who commute from as far away as Australia, South Africa, and the West Coast of Canada and the USA. Plus very many other countries. Many union reps do! Provided they are sensible, there isn’t really a problem.




Actually it is very true. It's part of the reason I left BA. I received a phone call for arriving at LHR at 20:45 for a 6:00 report the next day. BA is not the airline it used to be.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 23:06
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It's part of the reason I left BA
So not at all to do with the fact that your own national flag carrier were recruiting from non KLM Flight School then?
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 02:23
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Originally Posted by Toolonginthisjob View Post

So not at all to do with the fact that your own national flag carrier were recruiting from non KLM Flight School then?
*part

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 07:37
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Toolonginthisjob stop trying to defend BA on this issue. Colgan Air for starters had virtually nothing to do with commuting, as an ex Dash 8 Pilot and having read the report it is pretty clear what happened. Two unfit pilots (both reported to work unfit through illness rather than fatigue - you can hear them coughing and spluttering on the CVR) and both less than competent aviators (not my opinion look at the training record of the Captain prior to the accident) managed to react completely inappropriately to a stall warning that was set at an artificially high speed. In addition to the captain pulling back on the stick in response to a stall warning (huh?) the First Officer inexplicably decided out of nowhere to dump the flaps at the same time as the nose high attitude.

Why the hell should a short commuting flight (by which I’m talking one of an hour or so) be included in the FTL’s for the duty in question? You’re a passenger and you’re not part of the operating crew, sitting there as pax is far less tiring than doing the equivalent time on a motorway as a driver which many people do every day. I fail to see the distinction here as to why one activity has to be factored into FTL’s but one doesn’t despite being scientifically more tiring.

Anyway we’re rehashing old ground. I just wanted to put the record straight as regards to Colgan because the commuting thing gets trotted out every time we talk about that accident but it wasn’t contributory.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 07:57
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The important point still remains.

BA have made it clear they will monitor "commuting" , and rest prior to duty in minute detail, and managers will chase individuals if they think they have spotted something that they (the manager) doesn't like..

It is something prospective joiners need to be fully aware of.

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 08:29
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NLP: you seem to miss the point. The commuter has to look at his/her travel plans and ask himself this - "could my company ask me to do this legally ie. position and then operate? " If the answer is NO then do not do it! References to people doing excessive drives to work are irrelevant.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 10:58
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Very sadly, a few BA pilots were taking the proverbial, when it came to commuting by air. This was often brought to BA’s attention by the operating crew of the miscreants commuting flight. BA have the ability to monitor the arrangements of people who’s travel BA themselves facilitate. Indeed, they may be deemed negligent if they do not. So on occasion (once?) BA have sampled a few colleagues’ arrangements. A mere phone call, if necessary, is the only result.

Rex Banner. I’m not defending BA. I’m ‘defending’ safety. Some of the stories of which I am aware, were blatant, arrogant and outrageous!

It’s often the case that a few, spoil things for the many. But here we are!
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 11:15
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Originally Posted by Toolonginthisjob View Post
So on occasion (once?) BA have sampled a few colleagues’ arrangements. A mere phone call, if necessary, is the only result.


I think the sampling is now planned to be done at the very least on an annual basis, and TBH being risk averse I've assumed for a while now it's an ongoing process and arranged my travel accordingly.

As for your second point - I have been led to believe that for a small number of our colleagues the result was more than just a phone call.

Fundamentally anyone who flies into LGW/LHR prior to duty ( on the day or even the day before) shouldn't be surprised if their travel arrangements and their rest arrangements are scrutinised by the company.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 11:41
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"Incidentally. I thought the rumour was that recruitment is being significantly scaled back for 2020, and potentially beyond. Make of that what you will."

Im not privy to much beyond flying with the occasional trainer or recruitment pilot, but I was recently told that we needed over 300 pilots next year. Our Manpower Planning Manager updated 2 weeks ago that there should be a decent amount of movement in 2020.

But things do change quickly in this game! Would be interested to know if this was from a reliable source or galley FM, as I have 2 friends stuck at various stages in the recruitment system at the moment.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 14:20
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Originally Posted by Tricia Takanawa View Post
Im not privy to much beyond flying with the occasional trainer or recruitment pilot, but I was recently told that we needed over 300 pilots next year. Our Manpower Planning Manager updated 2 weeks ago that there should be a decent amount of movement in 2020.

But things do change quickly in this game! Would be interested to know if this was from a reliable source or galley FM, as I have 2 friends stuck at various stages in the recruitment system at the moment.
I've been sitting in the hold pool for over 6 months now. We have been told that we should be starting in the first quarter of 2020. Fingers crossed.

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 14:28
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As I said in my earlier posts some LH slots have gone out to some out our gig. 1 guy did his SIM back in Feb starting December other guy I think March.
Only recently has the pool been so low before that 1-2 years in the pool was common.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 14:35
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
As I said in my earlier posts some LH slots have gone out to some out our gig. 1 guy did his SIM back in Feb starting December other guy I think March.
Only recently has the pool been so low before that 1-2 years in the pool was common.
A lot of people are waiting for SH start dates, hence the wait.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 17:30
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Originally Posted by Percula View Post
A lot of people are waiting for SH start dates, hence the wait.
How would you know if you are LH elligible or SH only pool swimmers? Do they actually tell you?
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 17:37
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow View Post
How would you know if you are LH elligible or SH only pool swimmers? Do they actually tell you?
Yes, they do.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 17:41
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Originally Posted by Percula View Post
Yes, they do.
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they haven't told me! Or is it a case of specifically mentioning SH if not LH elligible then?
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 18:07
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow View Post
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they haven't told me! Or is it a case of specifically mentioning SH if not LH elligible then?
I believe if you are SH only the email says “A320 hold pool” and if you’re deemed eligible for LH then it just says “hold pool”.

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Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:41
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Hi, I’m thinking about applying when they next open up, but am only fussed about long haul, is it unheard of for someone who isn’t able to unfreeze to go directly to long haul? Or is it 100% required to be able to unfreeze?
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 12:39
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Start dates DEP

Hi all,

Any new start dates rolled out for 2020 for DEP’s?
I’ve been in the hold pool since June this year. Wonder when they’ll start the 2020 training!
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 13:22
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Originally Posted by Morris Ogg View Post
Hi all,

Any new start dates rolled out for 2020 for DEP’s?
I’ve been in the hold pool since June this year. Wonder when they’ll start the 2020 training!
I’m in the same boat as you Morris Ogg. Been in the hold pool since May...previously told to expect a start in Jan-Feb but not sure if that still holds true. Fingers crossed though!
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