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as with all “trials” management run, it will be declared a huge success with little evidence and quickly rolled out across the board.
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By allowing 320 rated applicants to avoid a sim check it provides an incentive to apply for short-haul and gives no opportunity to negotiate a long-haul fleet since you only get a tick in the “eligible for long-haul” box during a sim check.
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I think you’re giving BA far too much credit over and above what’s really going on which is it’s cheaper not to put candidates in the sim, that’s all that matters to BA post Walsh and especially Cruz.
I’ve already stated that the process has been watered down recently by all this “suitable for long haul” nonsense. In the (not so) old days part and parcel of the BA sim assessment was looking at you with regard to your ability to pass any conversion including onto a Long Haul type if required so if you passed the sim the possibility of Long Haul was a given if you had the requisite hours. Any question mark and you failed, nowadays any question mark and you’re waved in onto the A320 Fleet seeing as no other bugger will take it.
I’ve already stated that the process has been watered down recently by all this “suitable for long haul” nonsense. In the (not so) old days part and parcel of the BA sim assessment was looking at you with regard to your ability to pass any conversion including onto a Long Haul type if required so if you passed the sim the possibility of Long Haul was a given if you had the requisite hours. Any question mark and you failed, nowadays any question mark and you’re waved in onto the A320 Fleet seeing as no other bugger will take it.
For the benefit of those heading (or hoping) for the A320 at LHR, the following may be of interest. This is a breakdown of what sort of trips are available in April:
19 5-day trips of which just over half have a layover day (all in LIS)
214 4-day trips of which about 20% have a layover day (12 different destinations) and 9 have two layover days (all in TLV)
522 3-day trips of which about one third have a layover day (20 different destinations)
884 2-day trips of which 28 are night flights (DME)
1581 day trips of which 19 are four sectors
In additional 63 people will be on reserve, the details of which have been discussed before on this thread. All of this flying will be divided up between around 500 pilots. This is just a snapshot and the above numbers will change to some degree throughout the year.
The LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY trips are excluded from the above figures, as are trips extracted for training.
19 5-day trips of which just over half have a layover day (all in LIS)
214 4-day trips of which about 20% have a layover day (12 different destinations) and 9 have two layover days (all in TLV)
522 3-day trips of which about one third have a layover day (20 different destinations)
884 2-day trips of which 28 are night flights (DME)
1581 day trips of which 19 are four sectors
In additional 63 people will be on reserve, the details of which have been discussed before on this thread. All of this flying will be divided up between around 500 pilots. This is just a snapshot and the above numbers will change to some degree throughout the year.
The LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY trips are excluded from the above figures, as are trips extracted for training.
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For the benefit of those heading (or hoping) for the A320 at LHR, the following may be of interest. This is a breakdown of what sort of trips are available in April:
19 5-day trips of which just over half have a standover day (all in LIS)
214 4-day trips of which about 20% have a standover day (12 different destinations) and 9 have two standover days (all in TLV)
522 3-day trips of which about one third have a standover day (20 different destinations)
884 2-day trips of which 28 are night flights (DME)
1581 day trips of which 19 are four sectors
In additional 63 people will be on reserve, the details of which have been discussed before on this thread. This is just a snapshot and the above numbers will change to some degree throughout the year.
19 5-day trips of which just over half have a standover day (all in LIS)
214 4-day trips of which about 20% have a standover day (12 different destinations) and 9 have two standover days (all in TLV)
522 3-day trips of which about one third have a standover day (20 different destinations)
884 2-day trips of which 28 are night flights (DME)
1581 day trips of which 19 are four sectors
In additional 63 people will be on reserve, the details of which have been discussed before on this thread. This is just a snapshot and the above numbers will change to some degree throughout the year.
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Wiggy,Two Whites Two Reds.
Good morning and kindly humour me.
HR are trying to wrest control of Pilot Recruitment as it falls under their budget and not Flight Ops.
Its happened before and a Senior TC approached FoD who resisted it at that time.
HR do not understand nor would I expect them to the intensity,dynamic and mental Model required to perform in the simulator.They have minimal concept of terms such as MSA and CFIT.
Pilot Recruitment is Perhaps the only career path that is not exclusively run by HR and they don’t like it that way.
I stand corrected on Knight falling on his sword but if he wants to save his team he had better stand up to the task or it will be the thin end of the wedge.
Good morning and kindly humour me.
HR are trying to wrest control of Pilot Recruitment as it falls under their budget and not Flight Ops.
Its happened before and a Senior TC approached FoD who resisted it at that time.
HR do not understand nor would I expect them to the intensity,dynamic and mental Model required to perform in the simulator.They have minimal concept of terms such as MSA and CFIT.
Pilot Recruitment is Perhaps the only career path that is not exclusively run by HR and they don’t like it that way.
I stand corrected on Knight falling on his sword but if he wants to save his team he had better stand up to the task or it will be the thin end of the wedge.
Anyone else familiar with that?
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Word is that during the “lunch” presentation candidates are told that only NTR A320 will be required to attend the sim assessment
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Interesting. So presumably you can have zero CRM skills, or missing tonnes of BA pilot competencies, but as long as you can fly an A320 you’re in. If you’re not A320 TR these skills must be assessed in the sim.
Unless I’ve missed the point of the BA sim assessment, this doesn’t seem right.
Unless I’ve missed the point of the BA sim assessment, this doesn’t seem right.
Interesting. So presumably you can have zero CRM skills, or missing tonnes of BA pilot competencies, but as long as you can fly an A320 you’re in. If you’re not A320 TR these skills must be assessed in the sim.
Unless I’ve missed the point of the BA sim assessment, this doesn’t seem right.
Unless I’ve missed the point of the BA sim assessment, this doesn’t seem right.
if this is anything like the many other trials I have seen over the years at BA then the result has already been decided...
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Stop bein bitter and get on with it - their train set and their decision ........ the sheer fact that A320 TR guys are cheaper means they have an advantage - BA wants A320 guys not anyone else and don’t be delusional thinking that they will choose you for the competencies only -..... cash is king and if they get a bum on the seat with less spend - that’s what they will have
Stop bein bitter and get on with it - their train set and their decision ........ the sheer fact that A320 TR guys are cheaper means they have an advantage - BA wants A320 guys not anyone else and don’t be delusional thinking that they will choose you for the competencies only -..... cash is king and if they get a bum on the seat with less spend - that’s what they will have
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It is without doubt a cost saving measure and of course relieves the pressure on the training department.
However all this worry over “standards falling” needs to be offset against the fact that sim check or not, these A320 DEPs will still have to pass the initial BA “short” course with not a huge amount of time to get used to the SOPs and BA, erm, “philosophy” when it comes to how we operate. It’s not like they pass an interview and start flying the line the next day is it? I know a few highly capable people from ezy back when I joined who failed the sim check at BA for who knows what reason, and they are every bit if not more capable than me, so go figure. If you can fly an Airbus for ezy/shamrock/TC you can most likely fly it just as well for BA and if you can’t you won’t get past the sim short course or line training.
Still plenty of time to **** up if you aren’t up to scratch. And let’s face it, if there is a sudden spike in failures from guys who didn’t have to jump through the sim ride hoop then the “trial” will be ended pronto given that would be a far most costly and time consuming issue for the various beancounting silos that make up what used to be called BA.
I really don’t see this affecting the price of fish tbh.
However all this worry over “standards falling” needs to be offset against the fact that sim check or not, these A320 DEPs will still have to pass the initial BA “short” course with not a huge amount of time to get used to the SOPs and BA, erm, “philosophy” when it comes to how we operate. It’s not like they pass an interview and start flying the line the next day is it? I know a few highly capable people from ezy back when I joined who failed the sim check at BA for who knows what reason, and they are every bit if not more capable than me, so go figure. If you can fly an Airbus for ezy/shamrock/TC you can most likely fly it just as well for BA and if you can’t you won’t get past the sim short course or line training.
Still plenty of time to **** up if you aren’t up to scratch. And let’s face it, if there is a sudden spike in failures from guys who didn’t have to jump through the sim ride hoop then the “trial” will be ended pronto given that would be a far most costly and time consuming issue for the various beancounting silos that make up what used to be called BA.
I really don’t see this affecting the price of fish tbh.
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Morning all,
For anyone joining on the SH course commencing 20th April - Let me know / DM me!
For anyone with upcoming assessments DM me also, more than happy to help others.
Safe flying and have a good weekend folks.
WA
For anyone joining on the SH course commencing 20th April - Let me know / DM me!
For anyone with upcoming assessments DM me also, more than happy to help others.
Safe flying and have a good weekend folks.
WA