BA Direct Entry Pilot.
Join Date: May 2016
Location: A castle in the sky
Posts: 22
Wondering if someone could help me out with some figures?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: London
Posts: 103
Wondering if someone could help me out with some figures?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
Many thanks

Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: ubiquitous
Posts: 230
Wondering if someone could help me out with some figures?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
Basic for LH FO at pp5/34 is just over £67K.
If you pay 6% into pension, BA will pay 15.6%.
No share scheme. There has been some profit sharing, but peanuts really compared to the £Bn profits.

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 0
Longhaul With 16k duty pay/allowances, not really that far off the mark. Year 3 on 75% contract I've heard a few individuals quote 4300 a month including allowances and pension/BAlpa fees deducted. As you are only removing the bit you are paying 40% tax on, the impact to net is more like a 17% reduction vice 25% gross. I think typical allowances on a 3/4 trip month longhaul on 75% contract are around 1300-1500 gross.
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,914
You’ve come up with the two main variables to add to basic: flying pay and time away from base payment..
Closest to an “overnight payment” is the “Daily Overseas Allowance”...which will not make you a millionare..
Overtime (if you can fit it in) is available ...but doesn’t pay a staggeringly high multiple of the normal rate.
Disruption payments (and similar such as the much lamented “lateness credit) have been whittled down over the years and on Longhaul only really starts to kick in if you are a day late back into base or more, so it is not something you can plan on as a regular top up to the income.
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London
Posts: 238
Year 5 L/H FO basic is £67658
Additional pay is as follows.
flight pay block to block £10 per hour
Time away from base (starts getting paid at check in and stops at check out in LHR) £3 something an hour of which about 30% is tax free although that won’t last much longer.
I would say factor in about another 15 to 18k a year in flight pay and TAFB pay.
Bonus forget about it, apparently there was some share scheme but I have never been paid out from it so I would write that off to.
Pension as previously mentioned 6/15.6%
overtime will be paid at about £60 per hour of credit (which I still don’t understand properly).
As with most things at BA the rostering/Pay/contracts/agreements are so complicated it’s almost impossible to give you a straight forward answer to the question.
Additional pay is as follows.
flight pay block to block £10 per hour
Time away from base (starts getting paid at check in and stops at check out in LHR) £3 something an hour of which about 30% is tax free although that won’t last much longer.
I would say factor in about another 15 to 18k a year in flight pay and TAFB pay.
Bonus forget about it, apparently there was some share scheme but I have never been paid out from it so I would write that off to.
Pension as previously mentioned 6/15.6%
overtime will be paid at about £60 per hour of credit (which I still don’t understand properly).
As with most things at BA the rostering/Pay/contracts/agreements are so complicated it’s almost impossible to give you a straight forward answer to the question.
Join Date: May 2016
Location: A castle in the sky
Posts: 22
Thanks for the figures.
Very surprising to be honest; a lot of people would be giving up commands on 737/320s if joining BA. I didn't realise that the pay cut you would have to take is so dramatic!
Very surprising to be honest; a lot of people would be giving up commands on 737/320s if joining BA. I didn't realise that the pay cut you would have to take is so dramatic!
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,914
I’ve been in BA just a few decades and In all honesty I have never ever heard any crew (pilots or cabin crew) parroting those old and somewhat dated advertising slogans as their reason for joining....at all..ever.
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More likely reasons for joining I have heard from my pilot colleagues are things like being based in the south east U.K, being able to fly the likes of the 747, 777, 787, even the 380....In days of old people joined in part because it was a company with a decent pension scheme, and a “world leading rostering system” (stop laughing at the back) and the Aspirational bid system was and is a plus because it still allows people to dabble in Shorthaul, move to Longhaul, see the world..etc.
Just my MHO though (oh, I do agree with your comment about pay)
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 94
Whilst I concede that BA isn't going to perfect (show me a job that is), it'll do for me and I'm very happy to have made the grade. In the unlikely event that I don't like it, I'll move to somewhere else (and give 3 months notice, not 12).
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,914
Skaterboi...Firstly congratulations...
Well...there is the return to ISB on the 787.........
..., that aside you will find there are some “interesting destinations” with security issues at ground level, plus silly stuff like the odd scud thrown in the very general direction of RUH from time to time and at least one other occasionally “hot” ME destination where one has been known to have to take cover...but I do take your point 




Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 0
Skaterboi...Firstly congratulations...
Well...there is the return to ISB on the 787.........
..., that aside you will find there are some “interesting destinations” with security issues at ground level, plus silly stuff like the odd scud thrown in the very general direction of RUH from time to time and at least one other occasionally “hot” ME destination where one has been known to have to take cover...but I do take your point 
Well...there is the return to ISB on the 787.........



Join Date: May 2005
Location: WILTSHIRE
Posts: 82
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,914
Oh well...I stand corrected .. I’ve never witnessed that myself ....are you actually literally hearing people saying e.g. they joined “ to fly the flag” or similar...
??? I’ve never even heard the real real youngsters on the other side of the flight deck door -Mixed Fleet, regurgitate that sort of nonsense..
Maybe too much recruiting/exposure to some of our social media hero’s is causing this....I suggest we should make sure we continue to recruit more cynical/grounded old f*******
The Forces used to have a few...

Maybe too much recruiting/exposure to some of our social media hero’s is causing this....I suggest we should make sure we continue to recruit more cynical/grounded old f*******

Last edited by wiggy; 1st Jan 2019 at 11:16.
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Going East
Posts: 15
What will happen to crews as the 747 is withdrawn? Could someone join on the fleet and then be directed to any fleet without any consultation? I understand that during your fleet freeze you can be directed to any fleet but obviously this is more relevant on the 747.
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,083
Correct. You can get directed anywhere where BA wants. So you could in theory get booted off the 747 as the fleet reduces in size. That might be to SH. The 350 is going to replace the 747 on an hull for hull basis.
However, there might be enough guys bidding off the 747 to fill their requirements leaving you protected. I guess it’s a last resort thing. Some new guys were directed off the 380 a couple of years ago. If they have an oversupply of pilots on a fleet, they normally run a supplementary bid and people can put in their preference as to where they’d like to go. Happened on the 318 when they reduced the fleet to 1 aircraft a while back.
However, there might be enough guys bidding off the 747 to fill their requirements leaving you protected. I guess it’s a last resort thing. Some new guys were directed off the 380 a couple of years ago. If they have an oversupply of pilots on a fleet, they normally run a supplementary bid and people can put in their preference as to where they’d like to go. Happened on the 318 when they reduced the fleet to 1 aircraft a while back.
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Going East
Posts: 15
Thanks for that insight. Currently watching a fleet being retired at my current airline and the associated drama that brings. I can also relate to how a planned timescale means very little. Now oil has tanked again I can imagine they may well be around a little longer...