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Old 25th November 2019 | 20:42
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What's the average experience for direct entry FO with no A320 type rating on the short haul fleet?
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Old 25th November 2019 | 23:13
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Doubt there is one. If you have the hours requirement and pass the assessment, you're in.
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Old 26th November 2019 | 06:42
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Originally Posted by VinRouge
There are seperate scales for
LGW and LHR SH as well
True, but just to be clear to new joiners there is no difference until 15years in as an FO or 24years Captain. So I wouldn’t worry about it.
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Old 26th November 2019 | 12:33
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Thanks for that link and help guys!

the link just has PP1 and PP34. If year 1 LH at the current contract is 4300 net, do you know what years 5 and 10 would be as a rough guide?

cheers!
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Old 26th November 2019 | 15:33
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Every year it rises by 2500 gross I think
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Old 26th November 2019 | 19:20
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What length of commute is feasible for a junior FO SH LHR?
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Old 26th November 2019 | 23:14
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Originally Posted by HEJT2015
What length of commute is feasible for a junior FO SH LHR?
As little as possible. I would say any more than an hour would be painful. Preferably less.
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Old 27th November 2019 | 02:17
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I do about an hour and a half, and it’s ok. Occasional hotels before earlies / between blocks.

45 mins - 1 hour driving would be perfect, but I like where I live. Couldn’t imagine doing more than 90 mins tops regularly though.
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Old 27th November 2019 | 07:12
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HEJT

Not sure if by "commute" you mean by road or by flight.

If it's by flight then be aware ( if you weren't from previous posts here ) that the current management regime have got into the habit of on occasions running audits on the commuting patterns of those who travel to/from base by air.

They have paid particular interest to the days and timing of flights and time available for rest at base prior to duty.
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Old 27th November 2019 | 09:50
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Is it feasible to commute from central London using public transport on a junior SH roster at LHR? I don't have a car and wasn't planning on buying one.
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Old 27th November 2019 | 09:59
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Is it feasible to commute from central London using public transport on a junior SH roster at LHR? I don't have a car and wasn't planning on buying one.
Just use AddisonLee - most others do........
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Old 27th November 2019 | 10:11
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Originally Posted by Barcli
Just use AddisonLee - most others do........
​​​​​​For every morning flight? That must add up.
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Old 27th November 2019 | 11:11
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It does seem, if the cost and time involved in the commute to Heathrow is factored in, the already underwhelming salary at the bottom rungs, looks even more uncompetitive.
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Old 27th November 2019 | 11:30
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Originally Posted by Percula
​​​​​​For every morning flight? That must add up.
Peanuts when you have to " commute" from Chelsea
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Old 27th November 2019 | 15:57
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It's very straightforward to commute from Central London. Heathrow workers get a 50% (pretty sure it's 50% but either way it's heavily discounted) on the Heathrow Express. You've also got the tube and the "TFL Train" which used to be known as Heathrow Connect. Plenty of people do it on short and long haul.
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Old 27th November 2019 | 16:37
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I'm in Zone 1 so it's normally around an hour. The only issue is that none of the public transport is running in time to make the first SH report (which looks to be around 05:20).

I'll figure it out.
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Old 27th November 2019 | 16:43
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Originally Posted by Percula
I'm in Zone 1 so it's normally around an hour. The only issue is that none of the public transport is running in time to make the first SH report (which looks to be around 05:20).

I'll figure it out.
Bath road travelodge circa 32 quid a night with airline discount on the odd trip you get an early for... you can either then catch the airport shuttle for a few quid or have a walk up to the nearest bus stop where the company shuttle operates from. 👍
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Old 27th November 2019 | 23:37
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
It does seem, if the cost and time involved in the commute to Heathrow is factored in, the already underwhelming salary at the bottom rungs, looks even more uncompetitive.
Bear in mind the rungs are about to get a 7.5% increase (along with allowances), but yes, they're still uncompetitive.

For anyone who spends any portion of their journey on the M25: double the non-traffic time and if the result is too unpalatable, I'd suggest you'll probably struggle. It's also worth considering that as a new joiner you'll have absolutely no rostering consistency - they'll gladly transition you from lates to earlies (or visa versa) as many times as they please throughout the month, often with only one "day off" inbetween. It's pretty hideous stuff, particularly from a commuting perspective.

If you have other options with similar pay I'd seriously consider them. If it were me I'd probably see BA short haul more as one of the last resorts now.
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Old 27th November 2019 | 23:50
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Does anyone know what the part-time options are in BA? Are they quite easy to get or does one have to wait a few years. Cheers!
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Old 28th November 2019 | 14:06
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Getting one of the "Aspirational" Part Time contracts ( as in simply wanting like more time off/doing less work) seems recently to have become increasingly difficult, if not almost impossible to get . There are two versions of Aspirational - either 58%, which very roughly speaking a full time month, followed by a part time month in which you need to do enough work to keep recency, or 72% where you do two full time months followed by a part time month....

Getting "Right to Request" (where I think you supposedly need a case for going part time, such as helping to care for dependents) - don't know about availability and I think there are a lot of variations in the pattern so I'll leave somebody more familiar with that to fill in the details.

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