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Old 29th Sep 2019, 10:24
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I feel a tad more optimistic about the BA/BALPA relationship in the future but that is because the union will win. The choices being made at the top of the IAG tree continue to be disproportionately aggressive but also idiotic. The Union continue to plod away, playing a gentlemanís game.

Yes it it would be toxic if the company roll over the BALPA members. But they wonít.
Solidarity in the high 90ís%. We know how this will end.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 16:25
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Originally Posted by Plastic787 View Post

Does that fill you with confidence being #4500 on the MSL? Itís vitally important to think about this bit before you take the plunge.

Is that really what the feeling is these days? I would have thought the biggest appeal of BA was that it is the closest thing to a job for life that you can get in this industry? I thought that this dispute was about the pay deal? Is it actually bigger than that?
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 16:32
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Originally Posted by pilotpete123 View Post
Is that really what the feeling is these days? I would have thought the biggest appeal of BA was that it is the closest thing to a job for life that you can get in this industry? I thought that this dispute was about the pay deal? Is it actually bigger than that?
It is much much much bigger than just a pay deal..

If BALPA "lose" badly and end up emasculated it is questionable if they will be in a position to strongly defend all other aspects of T&Cs that the company have already made clear they want to change. We are talking about aspects of the job such as the hotel standards/location agreement, the remaining elements of Bidline which govern aspects of the working life such as crew compliments, length of working days, time off downroute.

I do tend to agree, fingers crossed, with Right Engine's sentiment about how it will work out, but if it doesn't............
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 16:44
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post

If BALPA "lose" badly
What constitutes losing? I mean, the average pilot probably has enough money in the bank to strike for a good few days without having to give house keys to the bank. Could BA really win an all-out war given the almost unanimous pilot support and the amount that the first strike action has cost?
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 19:00
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Originally Posted by pilotpete123 View Post
What constitutes losing?
Good question. If, within a year of the end of the current dispute, we see the likes of LHR-LAX-LHR routinely rostered as a nightstop, or the places such as Denver or Vancouver routinely operated with non-augmented crew then I'd say it had ended badly for the association.

I mean, the average pilot probably has enough money in the bank to strike for a good few days without having to give house keys to the bank. Could BA really win an all-out war given the almost unanimous pilot support and the amount that the first strike action has cost?
Not sure how the many of the junior paypointers at BA, especially those nursing loans, sit relative the average UK pilot. FWIW the association and colleagues at BA are offering support for those who aren't flush with funds.
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 08:29
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I have to agree with all the comments made about the BA management culture above. I wanted to add a word of warning for people reading this thread from continental Europe and willing to commute : be aware that BA is pretty much an anti-commuter company. They will treat you as a child and dig up into your commuting habits (if they believe you have arrived at Heathrow in the evening too late before an early report the next day, youíll get a phone call). If you are unlucky and the flight you are commuting on is cancelled for any reason and you miss your report, they will have a go at you (which is very much unfair - whatís the difference between a commuter missing report due to cancelled flight VS a local pilot missing report due to an accident on the motorway...). As a result, most commuters would rather call sick rather than phoning ops to let them know they will be late for report due to an issue with their commuting flight... Add to that management of fear the whole Brexit disaster and the uncertainties it creates for non-UK citizen and now you know why I canít wait to find a job elsewhere!
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 06:52
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Class Clown Cruz has told The Training Department to reduce ‘its simulator footprint’
Klaus addressed Standards Training Captains meeting and told them they are placing too much emphasis on safety.
These are very worrying statements.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 07:21
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Originally Posted by Phantom4 View Post
Class Clown Cruz has told The Training Department to reduce Ďits simulator footprintí
Klaus addressed Standards Training Captains meeting and told them they are placing too much emphasis on safety.
These are very worrying statements.
The same Klaus who failed his 787 proficiency check? 😂
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 15:20
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Any new on when to expect sim dates to become available?
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 10:18
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Few and far between - when one appears grab it, as it will be gone within minutes.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 13:52
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Originally Posted by Pulluptoga View Post
I have to agree with all the comments made about the BA management culture above. I wanted to add a word of warning for people reading this thread from continental Europe and willing to commute : be aware that BA is pretty much an anti-commuter company. They will treat you as a child and dig up into your commuting habits (if they believe you have arrived at Heathrow in the evening too late before an early report the next day, youíll get a phone call). If you are unlucky and the flight you are commuting on is cancelled for any reason and you miss your report, they will have a go at you (which is very much unfair - whatís the difference between a commuter missing report due to cancelled flight VS a local pilot missing report due to an accident on the motorway...). As a result, most commuters would rather call sick rather than phoning ops to let them know they will be late for report due to an issue with their commuting flight... Add to that management of fear the whole Brexit disaster and the uncertainties it creates for non-UK citizen and now you know why I canít wait to find a job elsewhere!
As my old DFO always told me - Commuters should only be able to do what I can roster within the FTL (and to their credit BALPA never had an issue with that statement)
Same old DFO had a yellow card system in place for those who missed report due to examples such as above - and that was with a relatively mature FRMS in place.
BA may well be anti-commuter that's basically down to the EASA regulations on AOC responsibilities and the law should it all go wrong. EASA also enhances crewmembers responsibilities to this effect also.
Let us know when you end up "elsewhere".....
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 17:16
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be aware that BA is pretty much an anti-commuter company. They will treat you as a child and dig up into your commuting habits (if they believe you have arrived at Heathrow in the evening too late before an early report the next day, you’ll get a phone call).
That’s not really true though, is it? BA have a number of pilots who commute from as far away as Australia, South Africa, and the West Coast of Canada and the USA. Plus very many other countries. Many union reps do! Provided they are sensible, there isn’t really a problem. Comparing those travel arrangements to people who commute by car is also a bit lop-sided. Those who commute by air, generally do so almost exclusively facilitated by British Airways themselves. These arrangements leave a footprint, easily audited by BA. Indeed not doing so, may lead to BA leaving themselves open to criticism. Is it any surprise in the post Colgan world, that BA occasionally peruse a small sample of employees’ arrangements? Of course all employees should never forget they work for a London based airline.

Incidentally. I thought the rumour was that recruitment is being significantly scaled back for 2020, and potentially beyond. Make of that what you will.


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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Toolonginthisjob View Post

Incidentally. I thought the rumour was that recruitment is being significantly scaled back for 2020, and potentially beyond. Make of that what you will.


Does anyone know how much truth there is in this? Or about the implications for those of us currently in the SH holdpool? Last update I had was to expect Jan/Feb start.

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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 23:27
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Originally Posted by Toolonginthisjob View Post

That’s not really true though, is it? BA have a number of pilots who commute from as far away as Australia, South Africa, and the West Coast of Canada and the USA. Plus very many other countries. Many union reps do! Provided they are sensible, there isn’t really a problem.




Actually it is very true. It's part of the reason I left BA. I received a phone call for arriving at LHR at 20:45 for a 6:00 report the next day. BA is not the airline it used to be.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 00:06
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It's part of the reason I left BA
So not at all to do with the fact that your own national flag carrier were recruiting from non KLM Flight School then?
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 03:23
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Originally Posted by Toolonginthisjob View Post

So not at all to do with the fact that your own national flag carrier were recruiting from non KLM Flight School then?
*part

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 08:37
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Toolonginthisjob stop trying to defend BA on this issue. Colgan Air for starters had virtually nothing to do with commuting, as an ex Dash 8 Pilot and having read the report it is pretty clear what happened. Two unfit pilots (both reported to work unfit through illness rather than fatigue - you can hear them coughing and spluttering on the CVR) and both less than competent aviators (not my opinion look at the training record of the Captain prior to the accident) managed to react completely inappropriately to a stall warning that was set at an artificially high speed. In addition to the captain pulling back on the stick in response to a stall warning (huh?) the First Officer inexplicably decided out of nowhere to dump the flaps at the same time as the nose high attitude.

Why the hell should a short commuting flight (by which Iím talking one of an hour or so) be included in the FTLís for the duty in question? Youíre a passenger and youíre not part of the operating crew, sitting there as pax is far less tiring than doing the equivalent time on a motorway as a driver which many people do every day. I fail to see the distinction here as to why one activity has to be factored into FTLís but one doesnít despite being scientifically more tiring.

Anyway weíre rehashing old ground. I just wanted to put the record straight as regards to Colgan because the commuting thing gets trotted out every time we talk about that accident but it wasnít contributory.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 08:57
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The important point still remains.

BA have made it clear they will monitor "commuting" , and rest prior to duty in minute detail, and managers will chase individuals if they think they have spotted something that they (the manager) doesn't like..

It is something prospective joiners need to be fully aware of.

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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 09:29
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NLP: you seem to miss the point. The commuter has to look at his/her travel plans and ask himself this - "could my company ask me to do this legally ie. position and then operate? " If the answer is NO then do not do it! References to people doing excessive drives to work are irrelevant.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 11:58
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Very sadly, a few BA pilots were taking the proverbial, when it came to commuting by air. This was often brought to BA’s attention by the operating crew of the miscreants commuting flight. BA have the ability to monitor the arrangements of people who’s travel BA themselves facilitate. Indeed, they may be deemed negligent if they do not. So on occasion (once?) BA have sampled a few colleagues’ arrangements. A mere phone call, if necessary, is the only result.

Rex Banner. I’m not defending BA. I’m ‘defending’ safety. Some of the stories of which I am aware, were blatant, arrogant and outrageous!

It’s often the case that a few, spoil things for the many. But here we are!
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