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Old 9th Jun 2019, 09:53
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BA can only recruit a DEP to a LH position if the pilots who otherwise would have moved to these positions are frozen
Lovely to see such naivety still exists in this cruel world ​​​​​​​
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 11:51
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Alright then Right Engine. You give me the number of how many unfrozen pilots that have actually been denied moves to Long Haul from Short Haul as a result of Long Haul DEP. The number is miniscule in the greater scheme of things.

More or less everybody in recent years has been getting their move after 5 years, if not a little bit less than that, one Airbus pilot I know moved in the final year of her freeze to the 777 after only 3 and a bit years due to joining in December of the first training year.

I’m only trying to point this out because some people are posting some very overly negative and misleading stuff about joining on the airbus and the risks associated with that. I’ve crunched the numbers and right now everything is pointing to me being on a Long Haul course in early 2021 having joined early 2016 (and possibly next year if enough people above me decide to stay as senior P2 on the Airbus due JSS). That’s exactly as advertised when I joined the company.

(And MikeAlpha320 I take your point about courses not necessarily being available but, even with a slowdown that’s unlikely right now due to the large retirement numbers due in 2020/21).
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 14:13
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Rex, why do you think there are a large number of retirements due in 2020/21? VinRouge wrote something similar above "the forecast retirement bulge is huge." I hope that you are both right, but the retirement due to age prediction that I saw had about 100 retirements per year until 2029, when it increases to around 200. The data behind that forecast is quite old, but senior pilots date of birth hasn't changed.
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 14:20
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Originally Posted by Pickled View Post
Rex, why do you think there are a large number of retirements due in 2020/21? VinRouge wrote something similar above "the forecast retirement bulge is huge." I hope that you are both right, but the retirement due to age prediction that I saw had about 100 retirements per year until 2029, when it increases to around 200. The data behind that forecast is quite old, but senior pilots date of birth hasn't changed.
Itís accounts for a 30% increase in seniority in under 10 years.

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Old 9th Jun 2019, 14:39
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Originally Posted by Pickled View Post
Rex, why do you think there are a large number of retirements due in 2020/21?
The biggest bulge in retirements over the next few years comes in 2020 and 2021. Was told this by a former head of training in an SEP management forum last year (before he was given the boot around the same time as the DFO).
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 16:28
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OK thanks. I have seen 2 different spreadsheets based on retirement at age 65, with no allowance for pilots retiring earlier, going part time, sickness etc, i.e. the worst case scenario. The average number of pilot retirements shown is around 100 per year until 2029 when it starts to increase to around 200 for a few years and then drops to about 130, around 80% of those numbers are P1. Those spreadsheets were produced about 6 years ago.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 08:14
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Originally Posted by Pickled View Post
I have seen 2 different spreadsheets based on retirement at age 65, with no allowance for pilots retiring earlier, going part time, sickness etc.
...not to mention people leaving to other airlines too. Therefore with all these other factors ignored it is pretty useless as a guide. I remember looking at Mikeís spreadsheet within my first six months at BA and feeling utterly despondent. Iím already over 200 places better off than it predicted at the time and thatís just in the space of three years.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 13:03
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Iíve been in the pool about the same time now. I heard from a source that they have stopped SH training for Aug & Sep as they canít afford to release the trainers off the line over the busy summer schedule. Not sure how true it is but hopefully courses will start again in the Autumn.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 14:56
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I am one who is not staying until I am 65 and I know dozens with similar intent. Time to go 4 years early and not drag it out to the end.
its all about money for some people and the fear of being a nobody when you leave.
Time to give the youngsters a go and not bed block the system
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 15:15
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Originally Posted by king surf View Post
and the fear of being a nobody when you leave.
I have always thought it kind of sad that anyone thinks they are somebody just because they have been lucky enough to get the opportunity to fly for a living, but you are probably right that some of it is a fear of losing that feeling for many.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 15:24
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You only have to look at the number of private plated cars, (and I am not talking about cc) to see that they do care what people think about them.
its all about status with some of them. But hey it's a free country and they are free to spend their cash as they please.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 08:04
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Smile

A320 CAP is registered to a Blue Talbot clearly status and pay is not all itís made out to be.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 08:22
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To be fair, how many of these cringeworthy personalised plates were gifts from well meaning family that the person doesn't have the heart to discard? I know if my family got me JNRTRSH or similar I'd have to pretend to like it 😂

sorry for the thread creep!
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 09:46
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Oh this is good.....

I have personalised regs on my truck (off an old Range Rover I bought at auction) and car (off an old airline Vauxhall).

When at work I also consider myself a somebody who's responsible for the crew, pax, airframe and the rest.

Should be a good conversation in the cruise.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 09:53
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
Alright then Right Engine. You give me the number of how many unfrozen pilots that have actually been denied moves to Long Haul from Short Haul as a result of Long Haul DEP. The number is miniscule in the greater scheme of things.

More or less everybody in recent years has been getting their move after 5 years, if not a little bit less than that, one Airbus pilot I know moved in the final year of her freeze to the 777 after only 3 and a bit years due to joining in December of the first training year.

Iím only trying to point this out because some people are posting some very overly negative and misleading stuff about joining on the airbus and the risks associated with that. Iíve crunched the numbers and right now everything is pointing to me being on a Long Haul course in early 2021 having joined early 2016 (and possibly next year if enough people above me decide to stay as senior P2 on the Airbus due JSS). Thatís exactly as advertised when I joined the company.

(And MikeAlpha320 I take your point about courses not necessarily being available but, even with a slowdown thatís unlikely right now due to the large retirement numbers due in 2020/21).
Genuinely interested here Rex. What did you base your numbers on? Iím slightly ahead of you, joined mid-late 2015 and am unfrozen in this yearís bid, but donít think Iíll get anything for a couple of years. That said I havenít done too much work into it. I have already deleted and re entered my PRIAM twice, as life is getting pretty good with seniority on the Airbus, so donít know if I want to race to the bottom of a LH status list. I guess it depends on how many people are feeling like me. I look at junior LH rosters and think they look terrible compared to mine at the moment, but then every now and then Iíll openly admit I get big, shiny jet syndrome.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 12:00
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I joined just before you wonderbus, early 2015 and am unfrozen next year, like you I am weighing up the pros and cons of a fleet move - Iím just inside the top 25% shorthaul and the rosters I am getting are more than satisfactory, in fact they are pretty much what I want.

have a look on IBId and change your fleet, it will show you where you would be seniority wise if you change fleets, I would be at 66% on the 747, 72% on the 777, 74% on the 787 and 85% on the 380, this should prevent us getting the very poor rosters the very junior joes get (although the numbers donít look great on the 380 letís face it there are no bad trips on that fleet). Itís the huge advantage of doing shorthaul first, we jump all the junior guys when we change fleets, I do feel sorry for those joining the longhaul fleets now as a DEP as they will be at the bottom for years and years as all those shorthaul guys slot in above them as they move fleets.

Big decisions for us senior shorthaul guys though, good luck making it .
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 13:00
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Always fancied 645 NCP myself as a private plate. Probably pick it up for a song too.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 17:40
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Originally Posted by Biggles88 View Post
Iíve been in the pool about the same time now. I heard from a source that they have stopped SH training for Aug & Sep as they canít afford to release the trainers off the line over the busy summer schedule. Not sure how true it is but hopefully courses will start again in the Autumn.
Thanks for the info Biggles88. Fingers crossed
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 18:21
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Pension

Is it possible to transfer the BA pension into a SIPP or are you locked into their scheme?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 18:55
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Originally Posted by aceman18 View Post
Is it possible to transfer the BA pension into a SIPP or are you locked into their scheme?

Thanks in advance!
you can change when the window is open once a year
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