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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:28
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Anyone have any idea when those of us who applied in the latest round might hear back?
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 16:32
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Originally Posted by Percula View Post
No more shorthaul start dates until Q1 2020. Recruitment email sent out this morning to those swimming currently.
From the email I saw itís all offers to the end of October have been made only a handful expected to the end of the year.

Update expected later this year.
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 16:34
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For those interested in Long Haul what are the chances of getting straight onto the A350 or A380 as a non type rate DEP? Also if short haul has no class dates until Q1 2020 then what about class dates for Long Haul on any fleet?
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 19:34
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Anyone here applied on the NQPP earlier this year and had any success booking their assessment day? I was invited to the stage 1 assessment over a month ago but had no joy getting a date out of recruitment
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 11:39
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DEP on 350 or 380

Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic View Post
For those interested in Long Haul what are the chances of getting straight onto the A350 or A380 as a non type rate DEP? Also if short haul has no class dates until Q1 2020 then what about class dates for Long Haul on any fleet?
Any takers?
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 20:54
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For 350/380 you would need to be current Airbus. 320 experience is most common for DEP’s on those fleets.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 21:59
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With hundreds of P2s being unfrozen next year and obviously airbus qualified it would be an interesting move by BA to take DEPs onto the 380 or 350...

Personally my bid is to remain shorthaul (top 20 percent) but I imagine there would be a lot of gnashing of teeth if there are large numbers of DEPs long haul.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 00:21
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350 DEPs have already been recruited.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by MikeAlpha320 View Post
350 DEPs have already been recruited.
heard the same last night from an easyJet skipper who has been flying with a load who are working their notice with start dates on the A350. Iíll withhold my true feelings on that due to pprunes policy on profanity. This company just gets worse and worse.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 09:37
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If you are frozen on type, you are frozen on type. How can you say the company is getting worse and worse when so many hundreds of long haul DEPs have been recruited onto long haul ahead of frozen internal pilots just in the last few years alone? As far as I am aware, there has been no change in policy.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 09:39
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
If you are frozen on type, you are frozen on type. How can you say the company is getting worse and worse when so many hundreds of long haul DEPs have been recruited onto long haul ahead of frozen internal pilots just in the last few years alone? As far as I am aware, there has been no change in policy.
The difference is that in 2020 around 300 BA FOs will become unfrozen, so will have a valid fleet-change bid.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 09:41
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
If you are frozen on type, you are frozen on type. How can you say the company is getting worse and worse when so many hundreds of long haul DEPs have been recruited onto long haul ahead of frozen internal pilots just in the last few years alone? As far as I am aware, there has been no change in policy.
Iím not talking about myself (indeed Iím frozen) Iím talking about the many people ahead of me who have valid bids this year (and as Icanseeclearly and Jaffo320 have said itís in the hundreds) and are being bypassed again by Long Haul DEP. This has an inevitable knock on to the RHS of the Airbus where the people sitting there may well be moving up the MSL but are stagnating in their current position on the P2 Airbus list. Post JSS this is incredibly important. Hence my comments.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 10:15
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The hundreds that will be unfrozen in the next few years wont get LH courses straight away once unfrozen. Why would the company 'pay' for airbus FO to do a LH type rating and then have to replace them with another FO on the airbus. They'll just type rate one new DEP onto LH. It's about money. There will be claims of training capacity etc etc but seems fairly simple maths to me. One type rating, or two?
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 11:30
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Are we saying there are currently unfrozen FOs who meet all the current requirements for the A350, being denied moves? As for the hundreds unfreezing next year; I do not believe any current offers will be for next yearís intake, so we will have to wait a while yet before worrying about that.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 11:36
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Originally Posted by MikeAlpha320 View Post
The hundreds that will be unfrozen in the next few years wont get LH courses straight away once unfrozen. Why would the company 'pay' for airbus FO to do a LH type rating and then have to replace them with another FO on the airbus. They'll just type rate one new DEP onto LH. It's about money. There will be claims of training capacity etc etc but seems fairly simple maths to me. One type rating, or two?
It does indeed cost money, but agreements cost money, as do salaries. Training will probably be a nightmare next year with lots of jumbos leaving and A350s arriving. Plenty of shorthaul FOs will be denied moves to long haul, but if I were a betting man, I would wager it will be because the vast majority of P350s will come from current 747 FOs.
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 09:31
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
Iím talking about the many people ahead of me who have valid bids this year (and as Icanseeclearly and Jaffo320 have said itís in the hundreds) and are being bypassed again by Long Haul DEP.
Sure, there are freeze periods for the various fleets, but I am not aware that anybody can automatically expect to move from SH to LH just because their freeze period has expired. If the projected calendar requires pilots in place when a new fleet is coming on line, and a soon-to-be-unfrozen pilot misses the seats available, whilst unfortunate for said pilot, there is little they can do about it. It is largely just a case of bad luck on the timing.

Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi View Post
It beats me why a bunch of new joiners don't club together and mount a legal challenge against the application of seniority in BA -open and shut case.
I am sure that this is because it isn't an open and shut case. If it was, someone would have leapt at it long before now.
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 12:39
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post

It does indeed cost money, but agreements cost money, as do salaries. Training will probably be a nightmare next year with lots of jumbos leaving and A350s arriving. Plenty of shorthaul FOs will be denied moves to long haul, but if I were a betting man, I would wager it will be because the vast majority of P350s will come from current 747 FOs.
Extra crews will be required for 4x 777-300 due to crewing ratio. At some stage fleet numbers will also have to be expanded above break even to account for arrival of 777-9 in 2021 timelines. My bet is both 78 and 77 will be overcrewed at some point to allow rapid re-training due to type similarities between 77/78 and 777-9. My guess is most of this will come from 747 and DEP, with a350 moves coming from SH. Cross training has to be much cheaper than a full type rating, both in training costs and salary.

Not sure whether there is a shorter course for 320/321 to 350 but if there is, costs alone indicate it makes sense for a shorter more productive course to be allocated?
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 13:52
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I believe the A320 to A350 conversion is a smaller training footprint so that could indeed result in the company preferring to send people from shorthaul to the A350 as you say. I’d also say generally, the more senior 747 SFOs prefer to stick with Boeing so that too would have them preferring the 777 courses you predict. However, the surplus 747 guys will have to go somewhere and they definitely won’t be favouring short haul. I’m sure the vast majority of those released from short haul will indeed be destined for the A350 and A380, simply because the more senior 747 guys moving will have bids in for the Boeing courses. However, the less senior 747 guys (once Boeing courses are filled) will end up on A350 and A380 ahead of short haul. I think this will all happen naturally as a result of general bidding tendencies though, and will have very little to do with training costs, even though the two drivers correlate. Basically as a generalisation, the more senior who haven’t already headed to Airbus prefer to stay Boeing, which will result in those courses filling up first.
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 14:11
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Can’t be many seats available on the 380, my friend. Pretty surprised that we’ve got 2 DEP’s in training, tbh.

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Old 13th Jul 2019, 16:34
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
. Basically as a generalisation, the more senior who havenít already headed to Airbus prefer to stay Boeing, which will result in those courses filling up first.
many of the senior FOs are actually electing for SH command... especially those a ways off LH command but with enough seniority to have a cushy lifestyle on SH, with the extra Moolah command brings.
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