BA Direct Entry Pilot.
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Timba Hold
Posts: 59
The hundreds that will be unfrozen in the next few years wont get LH courses straight away once unfrozen. Why would the company 'pay' for airbus FO to do a LH type rating and then have to replace them with another FO on the airbus. They'll just type rate one new DEP onto LH. It's about money. There will be claims of training capacity etc etc but seems fairly simple maths to me. One type rating, or two?
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 563
Are we saying there are currently unfrozen FOs who meet all the current requirements for the A350, being denied moves? As for the hundreds unfreezing next year; I do not believe any current offers will be for next year’s intake, so we will have to wait a while yet before worrying about that.
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 563
Originally Posted by MikeAlpha320
The hundreds that will be unfrozen in the next few years wont get LH courses straight away once unfrozen. Why would the company 'pay' for airbus FO to do a LH type rating and then have to replace them with another FO on the airbus. They'll just type rate one new DEP onto LH. It's about money. There will be claims of training capacity etc etc but seems fairly simple maths to me. One type rating, or two?
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Hamburg
Posts: 119
Originally Posted by RexBanner
I’m talking about the many people ahead of me who have valid bids this year (and as Icanseeclearly and Jaffo320 have said it’s in the hundreds) and are being bypassed again by Long Haul DEP.
Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi
It beats me why a bunch of new joiners don't club together and mount a legal challenge against the application of seniority in BA -open and shut case.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,997
Originally Posted by GS-Alpha
It does indeed cost money, but agreements cost money, as do salaries. Training will probably be a nightmare next year with lots of jumbos leaving and A350s arriving. Plenty of shorthaul FOs will be denied moves to long haul, but if I were a betting man, I would wager it will be because the vast majority of P350s will come from current 747 FOs.
Not sure whether there is a shorter course for 320/321 to 350 but if there is, costs alone indicate it makes sense for a shorter more productive course to be allocated?
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 563
I believe the A320 to A350 conversion is a smaller training footprint so that could indeed result in the company preferring to send people from shorthaul to the A350 as you say. I’d also say generally, the more senior 747 SFOs prefer to stick with Boeing so that too would have them preferring the 777 courses you predict. However, the surplus 747 guys will have to go somewhere and they definitely won’t be favouring short haul. I’m sure the vast majority of those released from short haul will indeed be destined for the A350 and A380, simply because the more senior 747 guys moving will have bids in for the Boeing courses. However, the less senior 747 guys (once Boeing courses are filled) will end up on A350 and A380 ahead of short haul. I think this will all happen naturally as a result of general bidding tendencies though, and will have very little to do with training costs, even though the two drivers correlate. Basically as a generalisation, the more senior who haven’t already headed to Airbus prefer to stay Boeing, which will result in those courses filling up first.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,997
Originally Posted by GS-Alpha
. Basically as a generalisation, the more senior who haven’t already headed to Airbus prefer to stay Boeing, which will result in those courses filling up first.
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: FL390
Posts: 299
I’m talking about the many people ahead of me who have valid bids this year (and as Icanseeclearly and Jaffo320 have said it’s in the hundreds) and are being bypassed again by Long Haul DEP.
Join Date: May 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 705
Yep, agree with the Ferret. I wanted LH when I joined, was A320 rated and was offered and accepted a start date for SH as “no LH places available”. The next week 4 guys from my base at ezy got offered DEP 747. Just the way it is. Get a start date, get your seniority number and after 5 years you have a lot options.
A LH DEP will be disproportionately junior for much longer than someone who does the initial freeze on SH. Whether that is a price worth paying to bypass the A320 rostering is down to personal circumstance/prior experience and, most importantly, perspective. Seniority is everything in BA. I can’t see that changing any time soon.
A LH DEP will be disproportionately junior for much longer than someone who does the initial freeze on SH. Whether that is a price worth paying to bypass the A320 rostering is down to personal circumstance/prior experience and, most importantly, perspective. Seniority is everything in BA. I can’t see that changing any time soon.
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 18
Has anyone recently been for stage 3 assessment and went for a practice Sim before hand? If so, could you let me know the details of where you went? Preferably in the south east! Thanks
Also any tips on the actual Sim would be much appreciated
Also any tips on the actual Sim would be much appreciated
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: London
Posts: 76
Originally Posted by kookiesandkreme
Who else is swimming currently?
any ideas of numbers and start dates?
any ideas of numbers and start dates?
My mate has been in since January been told to expect a start date next year as this year is full.
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: London
Age: 40
Posts: 114
Originally Posted by bex88
Full? Yet we have bronze command due to a shortage of flight crew. I understand if they upgrade to a silver command call that a tray of sandwiches is delivered so watch this space.
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Calgary
Posts: 4
Good Evening All
I've got a Day 1 Assesment coming up, in a couple of weeks. (2nd try). I’ve been reviewing with “Job Test Prep”, and was wondering if anyone who had been through Day 1 recently would be willing to share their experience or have any advice on other sources for revision material.
Thanks in advance.
I've got a Day 1 Assesment coming up, in a couple of weeks. (2nd try). I’ve been reviewing with “Job Test Prep”, and was wondering if anyone who had been through Day 1 recently would be willing to share their experience or have any advice on other sources for revision material.
Thanks in advance.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: England
Posts: 2
Originally Posted by Heisenb3rg
If you pass stage 3 sim assessment and get placed in the pool, do you get told if you on the “long haul eligible” list or is it just a generic “your I the hold pool” email?
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 18
Originally Posted by flying11red
I believe if you don’t get the long haul tick the email says short haul pool. Otherwise, it’s congratulations you’ve passed and it could be any aircraft in the fleet.
