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Old 19th Mar 2019, 16:51
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Iíve been in 8 years. I regularly get at least one of the weekend days off a month. Either by landing early on a Saturday and subsequently having the Sunday off, or departing on a Sunday, therefore getting the Saturday off. I honestly donít specifically bit for that, itís just how it seems to work out. Donít forget a lot of guys donít care about working weekends. Everyone has different ideas of what is good or not. Spending a Saturday night in Accra could be for you!

Dont forget we we do have our six golden days per year. These are days on a first come first served basis where you bid for a specific 1-2 days off. Seniority doesnít come into it.

I am LH, and I canít speak for SH, as I left that a few years ago. I donít recall it being too bad though. No ideas under JSS.

At LGW there are other ways of getting out of duties and swapping stuff with those in charge in the office, as long as you were reasonable and flexible.

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 17:16
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I get the impression that the issue that might be raising eyebrows for some at the moment is the difficulty (or not) in getting a specific day off on a regular basis, perhaps to tie in with domestic issues such as a partner's working arrangements or children's activities..

I'm inclined to say it can't be done without going part time, but as you say the newly introduced Golden Days might provide a solution 6 days of the year.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 20:14
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JSS is terrible at the bottom. I essentially bid for all work, anything, everything but please limit my day trip to 4 or less. Result.....fall back and 14, possibly 15 reports to LHR. I live well within the required 90 minutes but that is more than 1 and a half days driving!

There are some benefits to JSS but the protections and inhibitors need adjusting. As has been mentioned weekend work is not a issue. Has anyone actually tried to go anywhere at the weekend? Nightmare! Give me a week day off most of the time thanks
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 11:50
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The vast majority of the most junior Capts and FOs are doing plenty of 2 - 5 day tours though, so its something in your bid that's putting you in fallback not a fundamental result of JSS.

By limiting JSS even in your lowest BG to 4 day trips in a month on a short haul fleet you are seriously harming JSSs ability to create a roster. Surely it would be better gradually relaxing that limit and not going into fallback and at least getting some of what you want?
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 11:58
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I wouldnt have thought that requesting a maximum of 4 day trips in a month to be unreasonable ?, especially for some one who is perhaps a commuter or someone who just prefers night stops and doesnt mind where / when / with whom ? I agree JSS just doesnt work when your near the bottom ( by near I mean less than 50%)
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 12:07
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Originally Posted by red9 View Post
I wouldnt have thought that requesting a maximum of 4 day trips in a month to be unreasonable ?, especially for some one who is perhaps a commuter or someone who just prefers night stops and doesnt mind where / when / with whom ? I agree JSS just doesnt work when your near the bottom ( by near I mean less than 50%)
No, its not. I'm not saying don't bid for only 4, but, if JSS needs to give you 5 for whatever reason do you really want lose every other preference? Just gradually release the requirement until JSS can produce a roster. Limiting day trips to 4 is a very powerful bid.
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 15:09
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Its not a bidding issue 100% guarantee. Even the JSS trainers are powerless to help. It’s a JSS issue
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 16:29
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Are you in the ex bmi bubble? Could have something to do with it
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 16:38
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It may have a lot to do with it.

Is it different?
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 17:37
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
It may have a lot to do with it.

Is it different?
It shouldnt be, but it is.........
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 20:29
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I think as your group is 1/3 the size of the other pool it leads to reduced satisfaction towards the bottom of the list.

Especially as each group has to whittle down to only one trip per day leftover on global constraints.

That, combined with the lack of movement up the list for eternity, were the shocking outcomes of your former colleagues volunteering you under the bus at the last zipper vote.
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 21:38
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Minimal days off on weekends for junior pilots seems to be a very prevalent theme.

So the only realistic expectation for weekends off are going to those that have been booked through "Gold" days and leave. What is the leave allowance? Is it based on seniority or is it points based depending on what leave you had the previous year (Peak summer/Christmas ect.)?

Thanks.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 07:03
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Just been invited to an assessment , but now after reading this thread I'm not sure anymore..
nothing mentioned yet about paying for type rating, and I need to fund my own airfare and accommodation, for an airline with 3 daily flight from my city......
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:26
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As far as Parental leave goes, BA are pretty accommodating as long as you aren’t for school holidays off. As you can imagine, there is a waitlist for the public/school holiday periods, but outside that, you’d stand a pretty good chance . I believe you can only use 4 weeks a year per child though?
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by italian stallion View Post
Just been invited to an assessment , but now after reading this thread I'm not sure anymore..
nothing mentioned yet about paying for type rating, and I need to fund my own airfare and accommodation, for an airline with 3 daily flight from my city......
Are you a new pilot or experienced? Only new pilots have to pay and it was clearly written on the job description document before you applied....
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 12:02
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Originally Posted by italian stallion View Post
Just been invited to an assessment , but now after reading this thread I'm not sure anymore..
nothing mentioned yet about paying for type rating, and I need to fund my own airfare and accommodation, for an airline with 3 daily flight from my city......
As SpainHire has pointed out as it stands DEPs are not being asked to fund the type rating.

I'd offer the option that you are right to be concerned about only having 3 daily "commuting" flights...it can be done, but stating the obvious you can end up with a lot of "dead" time, either at LHR after arriving or before going home.

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Old 21st Mar 2019, 12:20
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Originally Posted by Justanothervoice View Post
Minimal days off on weekends for junior pilots seems to be a very prevalent theme.

So the only realistic expectation for weekends off are going to those that have been booked through "Gold" days and leave. What is the leave allowance? Is it based on seniority or is it points based depending on what leave you had the previous year (Peak summer/Christmas ect.)?

Thanks.
Basic answer follows..open to correction/amplification.

Two leave "seasons" - Summer & Winter.

In each season you are entitled to 14 days leave and one Duty free Week (DFW)

So total 28 leave days and 2 X DFWs every twelve months

Leave can be taken as one 14 day block ( traditionally starts on a Saturday, though under JSS you may now be able to slide leave start by +- I think 3 days) or two 7 day blocks ( starting on a Saturday, now also subject to possible "slide").

One block has a couple of "wrap" days before where the company can't assign work ..the other block has "wrap" days after. Those days accrue zero credit.

You cannot break annual leave down into any smaller blocks, such as single days or two day blocks .

DFW is a single week, with one (optional) credit free day of free duty before it starts.

leave is awarded on the basis of a points system..if points are equal senority rules.

HTH.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 15:21
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Just to add to Wiggy’s excellent post, one of the benefits of the DFW is that you can elect to work during some or all of it, thereby earning extra credit which can be ‘spent’ by taking days off elsewhere. Thus, if the dates of DFW awarded are not your first choice, you can maybe get some better free days. This used to be easier under bidline and I’m no expert on JSS but worth considering anyway. You can’t work during leave, so that is the main difference.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 23:18
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You can work during all leave at LGW though.
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 09:04
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Originally Posted by Stocious View Post
You can work during all leave at LGW though.
You sure? Do you mean by selling it back?
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