BA Direct Entry Pilot.

[eckhard]

Most junior LCY captain 1026
Most junior LCY co-pilot 3327

Most junior 777 captain 1244
Most junior 777 co-pilot 4555

Most junior 787 captain 1608
Most junior 787 co-pilot 4553

Most junior 747 captain 1643
Most junior 747 co-pilot 4531

Most junior A380 captain 1653
Most junior A380 co-pilot 4557

Most junior A350 captain 1803
Most junior A350 co-pilot 3194

So, as Rex says, the LCY Airbus is more senior than other fleets for captains, although the A350 just beats it into second place for co-pilots. It’s certainly more senior than the 787.

[Mylius]

Originally Posted by eckhard

Most junior LCY captain 1026
Most junior LCY co-pilot 3327

Most junior 777 captain 1244
Most junior 777 co-pilot 4555

Most junior 787 captain 1608
Most junior 787 co-pilot 4553

Most junior 747 captain 1643
Most junior 747 co-pilot 4531

Most junior A380 captain 1653
Most junior A380 co-pilot 4557

Most junior A350 captain 1803
Most junior A350 co-pilot 3194

So, as Rex says, the LCY Airbus is more senior than other fleets for captains, although the A350 just beats it into second place for co-pilots. It’s certainly more senior than the 787.

For context if you were to join tomorrow you’d be in the late 4500s seniority-wise.

[captain.weird]

Are the new joiners on the 380 only Airbus rated?

[Sapphire5]

Assessment tips

Hi all,

Does anyone have any advice for the stage 1 computer assessment and verbal reasoning?

Any tips would be much appreciated.

[norfolkungood]

Originally Posted by Heisenb3rg

Are 24 layovers really on the cards? Would any destination be safe or is that network wide? Because I can’t help but feel if that’s the case there’s surely no point in being long haul? By the time you’ve had a sleep and something to eat, you’ve run out of time to go and do anything other than sit by the pool for a few hours. If the airport hotel even has a pool.

We have regular 26 hr LH layovers on in Cathay Pacific. In the winter we do Boston, which is about 15hr flight time each way and get 26hrs on the layover! I’m on a HKG-YVR-JFK-HKG pattern as I type this. 35 hrs off in YVR and 25:30 in JFK. Averaging about 870 hours a year as a 777 Capt.......living the dream😂

[SOPS]

Nearly all EK layovers are 24 hours. Makes it really hard when you have to try and sleep twice in 24 hours.

[Threethirty]

Norfolkungood yes but it’s slightly different in Cathay as you’re flying with 4 crew, most BA flights are 3 crew.

[wiggy]

Just to avoid misunderstanding and perhaps raised expectations amongst potential joiners I take it by that you mean most of our "long range" ops is 3 pilot. Obviously (?) there's also a heck of a lot of two pilot work around at BA, even on the Long Haul Fleets.

[Threethirty]

Thanks for clarifying that Wiggy

[wiggy]

Hope that didn't come over as "picky"...I know what you were getting at but would just hate to see you being quoted verbatim by a new joiner to Long Haul who has had sight of his/her first JSS train wreck, with " but you said...".

ATB.

[Officer Kite]

Who is the Sky God occupying #1 on the seniority list?

[ETOPS]

Somebody just like you.

[Doug E Style]

Originally Posted by Officer Kite

Who is the Sky God occupying #1 on the seniority list?

Nigel Something

[followthegreens]

Are the new joiners on the 380 only Airbus rated?

There's probably the one exception that brakes the rule, but I'd say yes pretty much all direct entries on the A380 had an Airbus rating when they joined.

[norfolkungood]

Originally Posted by Threethirty

Norfolkungood yes but it’s slightly different in Cathay as you’re flying with 4 crew, most BA flights are 3 crew.

True. Unfortunately seems all our lords and masters want to reduce manning/ rest to the minimum to increase the productivity. Our lot would jump at the chance of 3 man. They tried it but as most of our departures are around midnight the FTLs didn’t quite allow it. We now do a large proportion of our LHs with 2 Second Officers as opposed to a 2 FOs. So the FO just gets the wrong rest and still has to be in the seat for landing! Notwithstanding our experience levels have dropped through the floor.....

I fear for all of us where this is all leading.....

[aaa333]

If the pay rise offer of 11% over three years were to go ahead would that apply to new joiners’ salaries too or only existing employees?

Do guys find they have much savings left over every month with the salary being as low as it is?

Being bottom of the seniority list is it not still possible to swap flights once the roster is out and get options in there that you like?

Thanks!

[Twiglet1]

Originally Posted by norfolkungood

True. Unfortunately seems all our lords and masters want to reduce manning/ rest to the minimum to increase the productivity. Our lot would jump at the chance of 3 man. They tried it but as most of our departures are around midnight the FTLs didn’t quite allow it. We now do a large proportion of our LHs with 2 Second Officers as opposed to a 2 FOs. So the FO just gets the wrong rest and still has to be in the seat for landing! Notwithstanding our experience levels have dropped through the floor.....

I fear for all of us where this is all leading.....

Eventually the 2 Second Officers will get enough experience to be a FO.
The FO in the seat for the landing will (in theory) have a Captain in a better state of awake than himself.
What else?

[wiggy]

Originally Posted by aaa333

If the pay rise offer of 11% over three years were to go ahead would that apply to new joiners’ salaries too or only existing employees?
Do guys find they have much savings left over every month with the salary being as low as it is?

Being bottom of the seniority list is it not still possible to swap flights once the roster is out and get options in there that you like?

Thanks!

1. Payrise = change to the pay scales so everybody benefits.

2. Savings: Not a new joiner by any stretch of the imagination so can't help...and in any event guess that would depend on personal circumstances ...I'm sure somebody more helpful will be along in a minute.

3. Swopping: Certainly possible, FTLs allowing. Whether you are going to be able to get an option you like by getting rid an option you don't like will be down to "taste". Swopping mundane trips to generate days off you want (again FTLs allowing) but it might be a slightly tougher task trying to get rid of an unpopular destination/trip by expecting to be able swop it with something "tasty".

[CXKA]

Originally Posted by Twiglet1

Eventually the 2 Second Officers will get enough experience to be a FO.
The FO in the seat for the landing will (in theory) have a Captain in a better state of awake than himself.
What else?

I have done these 2 SO flights when I was an RQ FO at CX and its all very well having a nicely rested Captain but the FO is trying their hardest just to stay awake. Another cost cutting idea that infringes on the safety of the operation.

[cessnapete]

Originally Posted by CXKA

I have done these 2 SO flights when I was an RQ FO at CX and its all very well having a nicely rested Captain but the FO is trying their hardest just to stay awake. Another cost cutting idea that infringes on the safety of the operation.

BA don’t do “SOs”. On joining all copilots are fully trained and qualified as RHS for two crew ops. As Wiggy says many LH trips on 777/787/744/ and a few on A380 are operated with two crew. For a new LH FO, people are recruited with sufficient big jet hours to allow them, after the Type Rating to operate on two pilot trips immediately after Line Training as FO.