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Old 5th Mar 2019, 10:06
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Looking at what might be coming down the road later this year at BA I’ll certainly go with the Union, but IMHO running a single issue campaign over the new entrant scheme is simply a non starter and is not going to work.
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What might be be coming later this year Wiggy? Being a junior 320 skipper, I find it hard to believe this gig can actually get any worse??
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 10:12
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Originally Posted by frozenpilot View Post
What might be be coming later this year Wiggy? Being a junior 320 skipper, I find it hard to believe this gig can actually get any worse??
I was referring to the current pay round and any action that the Union decide might be required....
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 10:30
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Ah.... At least us junior trash may get some weekends off... albeit unpaid!

regards
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 18:20
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looking at Yammer rightly or wrongly there are some non-flight Ops employees with relatives wanting to get into BA who see the new scheme as a good thing (somebody in the family can obviously afford the 18k)..
If you have 18k lying around it's an outstanding scheme. You could almost see that price tag as a positive as it will reduce the competition

More seriously, I'm not denying that opening up BA to modular cadets is generally a good thing. I just wish they hadn't done it in a way which discriminates based on financial background. BA used to be one of the few airlines who thought talent was more important than the abiity to pay. This and the last version of the cadet scheme would suggest they now think otherwise. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong and the recruitment team will manage to get an improvement in the future, but that seems unlikely.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 19:42
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Won’t be long before you’re having L3 cadets on poor pay even after line checked.
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 20:04
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Originally Posted by frozenpilot View Post
What might be be coming later this year Wiggy? Being a junior 320 skipper, I find it hard to believe this gig can actually get any worse??
Is BA your first gig as a commercial pilot? Because I can tell you it can get worse!
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 04:44
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Originally Posted by ManUtd1999 View Post
I just wish they hadn't done it in a way which discriminates based on financial background. BA used to be one of the few airlines who thought talent was more important than the abiity to pay. This and the last version of the cadet scheme would suggest they now think otherwise.
Indeed.

B.A. Management should come up with a catchy name for the £18K course. Perhaps ‘Return of the Nigels’ would work ? Or, ‘Revenge of the Nigels’. ‘Klaus’s M.O.’ would only make sense to a small number of people, and it’s not very catchy.
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 07:48
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Nope, it’s my fifth... I’ve been through numerous redundancies. However, a junior short haul command at BA is terrible..
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 12:08
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The other problem with Work To Rule at BA is... what's the rule? The psychedelic maze that is Bid Line Rules (BLR) is very hard to navigate without taking a wrong turn. Individuals would be exposing themselves to dismissal far too easily.
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 17:45
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Rumour that 767 has been sold and BA may revert to 744 sim.Just for info for those awaiting assessment.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 13:15
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Has it been confirmed that new recruits have to pay £18k for A320?
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 13:35
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
Has it been confirmed that new recruits have to pay £18k for A320?
AFAIK the only “new recruits” paying 18k are those joining on the newly announced “newly qualified” pilot scheme (e.g. straight out of the likes of L3), not the DEP route....
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 15:18
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Give Klaus time...
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 17:40
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


AFAIK the only “new recruits” paying 18k are those joining on the newly announced “newly qualified” pilot scheme (e.g. straight out of the likes of L3), not the DEP route....
That is sad to hear.

What ever next!!!!
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 22:37
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For what it's worth, when I joined my first commercial outfit (and this wasn't that many moons ago!), we were bonded for £15k, payable up front before commencing the type rating, albeit paid back in 36 monthly instalments...

The starting salary at that outfit plus the bond I paid was still significantly less (I'm talking greater than £10k) than the starting salary these new pilots would earn in their first year at BA.

Just my "two cents", but I don't see the problem with the £18k up front given the starting salary. A very controversial viewpoint I'm sure but sadly its the nature of the industry. I can't think of many another professions out there that requires you to pay up front to get the job.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 22:45
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Worth pointing out the starting salary for those paying for TR is significantly less (about £20k less) than experienced DEP starting salary. There’s simply no justification for this. IAG get a reduced flight ops budget and pilots take it up the tailpipe while shareholders laugh all the way to the bank.

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Old 10th Mar 2019, 06:12
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Originally Posted by The Mixmaster View Post
Worth pointing out the starting salary for those paying for TR is significantly less (about £20k) than experienced DEP starting salary. There’s simply no justification for this. IAG get a reduced flight ops budget and pilots take it up the tailpipe while shareholders laugh all the way to the bank.
How has this been allowed?
How does that work with 34 point scale?

BALPA obviously firing on all cylinders at the moment. They haven’t done much at our outfit either.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 10:40
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It's quite simple, a message to all those wannabes, don't pay it, it'll soon disappear. The only reason these schemes exist is because people are prepared to pay it.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:40
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Reversethrust - the same argument was made years ago by current Ryanair pilots to new hires paying 30k for their TR. How did that work out?
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 13:07
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Do they pay £18k upfront and get the money back after a period of time, similar to NLH bond, or is this paying for a type rating?

Starting salary of £20k?!
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