BA Direct Entry Pilot.
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 7
Out of interest, presuming bids are once a year, do you need the prerequisites to bid? In the example above could you bid for a LGW Command at 10 months in and say 2800 hrs on jets on the assumption you’ll be eligible some time in the next year?
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: The White House
Posts: 14
Over on the wannabes forum they are saying the charge is now £18 grand for a type rating 😖
Madness if it’s correct. O’Leary is only about €5,000 these days 🙈
Madness if it’s correct. O’Leary is only about €5,000 these days 🙈
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Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,207
Originally Posted by DonTrumpet2020
Over on the wannabes forum they are saying the charge is now £18 grand for a type rating ��
Madness if it’s correct.....
Madness if it’s correct.....
The wannabes have read the advert correctly.
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: The Home of the Gnomes
Posts: 348
Probably because a lot of people are now leaving early on, which never happened in the past. I’m reliably informed of 20 or so heading elsewhere (to the same place in fact - no, not telling on here) in the next couple of months.
Makes you wonder why...?
Makes you wonder why...?
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Doha
Age: 8
Posts: 374
Originally Posted by Tay Cough
Probably because a lot of people are now leaving early on, which never happened in the past. I’m reliably informed of 20 or so heading elsewhere (to the same place in fact - no, not telling on here) in the next couple of months.
Makes you wonder why...?
Makes you wonder why...?
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 274
I just posted this in the interviews section but thought I'd re-post seeing as it's made me so irrate 
New junior pilot recruitment campaign announced for LGW - 18k fee for the type rating...... Has there been any internal chat/anger about this?
I'm surprised there's anyone left in the recruitment team, I would have thought most would have walked by now to avoid having their own reputation tarnished by this madness. To emphasise, this is an airline who just this week announced a 2.6 billion pound profit. Investing in 100 new pilots type ratings would cost (much) less than 0.1% of those profits, but it would appear that any sense of social responsibility has now been long forgotten.
New junior pilot recruitment campaign announced for LGW - 18k fee for the type rating...... Has there been any internal chat/anger about this?
I'm surprised there's anyone left in the recruitment team, I would have thought most would have walked by now to avoid having their own reputation tarnished by this madness. To emphasise, this is an airline who just this week announced a 2.6 billion pound profit. Investing in 100 new pilots type ratings would cost (much) less than 0.1% of those profits, but it would appear that any sense of social responsibility has now been long forgotten.
Junior trash
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,021
Originally Posted by Tay Cough
Probably because a lot of people are now leaving early on, which never happened in the past. I’m reliably informed of 20 or so heading elsewhere (to the same place in fact - no, not telling on here) in the next couple of months.
Makes you wonder why...?
Makes you wonder why...?
I think its reading far too much into it to blame that on BA.
Is it prohibited to say KLM?
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: The Home of the Gnomes
Posts: 348
Originally Posted by Hotel Mode
Having flown with a few of them, they are going to their national carrier who are recruiting DEPs for the first time in living memory. Given many of them live there and have no certainty as non uk nationals or residents that BA can employ them post Brexit I think they are making a good call. They will all be missed though.
I think its reading far too much into it to blame that on BA.
Is it prohibited to say KLM?
I think its reading far too much into it to blame that on BA.
Is it prohibited to say KLM?
There are quite a few of their countrymen who are staying though. Just saying....
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 32
Originally Posted by Tay Cough
Not really. Thought I'd leave it to someone else.
There are quite a few of their countrymen who are staying though. Just saying....
There are quite a few of their countrymen who are staying though. Just saying....
KLM offers a far better package.
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 104
£18k upfront or an £18k 3yr reducing bond?
The latter is fair enough if ppl are leaving but the former is a new sad low.
My company will unfortunately follow suit I imagine once they realise they can also squeeze some more cash out of new joiners.
The latter is fair enough if ppl are leaving but the former is a new sad low.
My company will unfortunately follow suit I imagine once they realise they can also squeeze some more cash out of new joiners.
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 274
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a socialist..........
This is not a BA specific problem, but the unwillingness / inability of airline pilots and their unions to take any form of action to protect terms for new joiners is staggering. This "I'm all right jack" attitude eventually harms everyone, yet seemingly nobody in the unions can see it.
If BA are worried about people leaving then make them sign a bond, or even better, focus on making BA such a good place to work nobody wants to leave in the first place. Charging upfront for type ratings is unjustifiable and a few years ago would have been unthinkable at BA.
This is not a BA specific problem, but the unwillingness / inability of airline pilots and their unions to take any form of action to protect terms for new joiners is staggering. This "I'm all right jack" attitude eventually harms everyone, yet seemingly nobody in the unions can see it.
If BA are worried about people leaving then make them sign a bond, or even better, focus on making BA such a good place to work nobody wants to leave in the first place. Charging upfront for type ratings is unjustifiable and a few years ago would have been unthinkable at BA.
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 550
As many have been saying for quite some time now, BA is nothing like the airline it was even just a few years ago. Things which would have been unthinkable years ago are absolutely on the table now. The rot has accelerated massively and the unions are pretty much impotent to do anything about it. It’s like a snowball rolling down hill; if you don’t stop it early on it will have gathered so much mass and velocity that it becomes unstoppable. I personally think the point where unions could stop it passed many years ago. The only thing to stop it now will be market forces - people refusing to join or large numbers of people leaving. In fact the mixed fleet cabin crew model requires a fairly high turn over as they don’t want people staying for ages and demanding extra pay for their loyalty. That same unacceptable attrition rate will exist for pilots too, although they’d want them to stay longer, but I bet we are nowhere near it at the moment, therefore IAG will think it’s still acceptable to keep turning the thumb screws. As long as they just take as much as can be stomached at a time, chip chip chip, marginal gains and all that. Change happens faster than it used to; the second a chip is taken, the chisel is already cracking the next bit. Our employer no longer cares about anything but improving efficiencies and therefore operating margins. And we no longer just compare ourselves to others; we chase that improved operating margin no matter how high it already is. If employee attrition versus recruitment starts to effect that operating margin, things will change, otherwise expect more of the same.
