BA Direct Entry Pilot.
Joined: Sep 2002
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Red 9, yes quite right. Yet more clear evidence I can't multi task 
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
Joined: Sep 2018
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From: London
Red 9, yes quite right. Yet more clear evidence I can't multi task
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
it is happening , it isn’t all rose tinted , open your eyes .
I have been in my new job for less than a month and already feel much more relaxed and excited
Joined: Apr 2010
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
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From: Utopia
but people are leaving , I have recently left , I know that their is a course starting in April which is ALL BA guys and girls ,
it is happening , it isn’t all rose tinted , open your eyes .
I have been in my new job for less than a month and already feel much more relaxed and excited
at easyJet do you mean?
Joined: Jul 2016
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From: Timba Hold
Red 9, yes quite right. Yet more clear evidence I can't multi task
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
Who is to say that I'm not? LGW commands have gone very junior ... back for DEC easy for a 30k payrise and fixed roster 5/4/5/3....
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From: 8000 feet of cabin altitude
Riskybis, I never said everything is rose tinted and perfect. Read my post again. And if you did go to virgin I know many guys there who are unhappy and looking at their options. Deteriorating Ts and Cs are but one of many reasons someone might choose to leave. Without asking we won't know their reasons. Maybe being based in Liverpool is suddenly more important than working for a blue or red legacy. But whatever, don't let that get in the way of a good BA bash.
MikeAlpha, good luck to you mate. After 10 years I couldn't do 5 earlies anymore. Hope it works out for you.
MikeAlpha, good luck to you mate. After 10 years I couldn't do 5 earlies anymore. Hope it works out for you.
Joined: Oct 2010
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From: UK
Joined: Apr 2011
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From: Doha
It’s very sad that any UK airline has such a bad terms and conditions that people are looking to leave. You would have thought BA would have been dead man (women) shoes. I wonder how many are unhappy to the point they are considering leaving TCX or TUI. Surely BA must be wasting a lot of money each time someone leaves.
Joined: Jul 2001
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From: UK
MikeAlpha
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You might find that Easy Pilots had those sort of questions when they first started FRMS - what it must be 15 years ago? probably when you were still at school?
I'm sure Easy do look at commuting and BA are quiet correct in asking you - just look at Crew Members Responsibilities if not.
BA have just started down the FRMS it was only a few years ago the normal comment was "there is no fatigue at BA" . So its early doors when you get what seem like daft questions when you come from Easy which has a mature FRMS (and it was only a few years ago they came under a lot of flack from BALPA about FRMS)
Max FTL days were there in the summer but when you'd had too much you went fatigued and weren't bothered with ridiculous emails in response. After 2016 Balpa got significant alleviations at the planning stage to avoid max FTLs. I was there during the 'near walk out' and it was a horrendous summer. 17 was far better and from what I hear 18 was a similar story. I didn't do single days off, I didn't do 6 day blocks, when enough was enough I made the professional and legally correct decision to report fatigued. I wasn't interrogated about my commute, I wasn't told I had to bid for more days off, I wasn't told I shouldn't do things before work on lates. I wasn't told I was 'simply tired' and that it was 'hard to see what was fatiguing about my roster construction'
You might find that Easy Pilots had those sort of questions when they first started FRMS - what it must be 15 years ago? probably when you were still at school?
I'm sure Easy do look at commuting and BA are quiet correct in asking you - just look at Crew Members Responsibilities if not.
BA have just started down the FRMS it was only a few years ago the normal comment was "there is no fatigue at BA" . So its early doors when you get what seem like daft questions when you come from Easy which has a mature FRMS (and it was only a few years ago they came under a lot of flack from BALPA about FRMS)
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Delusional Speed Freek
Joined: Jul 2016
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From: Timba Hold
MikeAlpha
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You might find that Easy Pilots had those sort of questions when they first started FRMS - what it must be 15 years ago? probably when you were still at school?
I'm sure Easy do look at commuting and BA are quiet correct in asking you - just look at Crew Members Responsibilities if not.
BA have just started down the FRMS it was only a few years ago the normal comment was "there is no fatigue at BA" . So its early doors when you get what seem like daft questions when you come from Easy which has a mature FRMS (and it was only a few years ago they came under a lot of flack from BALPA about FRMS)
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You might find that Easy Pilots had those sort of questions when they first started FRMS - what it must be 15 years ago? probably when you were still at school?
I'm sure Easy do look at commuting and BA are quiet correct in asking you - just look at Crew Members Responsibilities if not.
BA have just started down the FRMS it was only a few years ago the normal comment was "there is no fatigue at BA" . So its early doors when you get what seem like daft questions when you come from Easy which has a mature FRMS (and it was only a few years ago they came under a lot of flack from BALPA about FRMS)
Mr Angry, I am aware of crew members responsibilities. I have a short, driving commute. BA are being particularly invasive and trying to make commuters adhere to unpublished rules and rules which they will then break themselves. People are being contacted by management about their commute but with no actual adherence to disciplinary procedure- surely you can see why that is frustrating?
Hence my point about BA being behind EJ wrt SH. I appreciate guys/girls/union at easy had to endure that attitude to fatigue but it doesn't mean that BA should plead ignorance. The foundations have been laid elsewhere, its no excuse to be 15 years behind.
Not sure why school comment is relevant (or indeed accurate)
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From: 8000 feet of cabin altitude
How devalued has the term 'legacy' actually become? If legacy means working 6 days on and 1/2 days off then I'll take Liverpool! Or how about working 5/3/5/4 at a regional base with decent days out and manageable hours, but without the hat and tie pin of course.
Delusional Speed Freek
Delusional Speed Freek
5453 was amazing. So amazing everyone goes part time and ends up FRV. I have even heard of FOs on the 75% contract staying part time because they prefer the reduced levels of work over fixed roster patterns.
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From: WILTSHIRE
How devalued has the term 'legacy' actually become? If legacy means working 6 days on and 1/2 days off then I'll take Liverpool! Or how about working 5/3/5/4 at a regional base with decent days out and manageable hours, but without the hat and tie pin of course.
Delusional Speed Freek
Delusional Speed Freek
Joined: May 2018
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From: london
I've been asked a question by a potential new joiner that I dont have the answer to:
Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence?
She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type
with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)".
But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered?
Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence?
She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type
with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)".
But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered?
Joined: Aug 2015
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From: Sunnydale
I've been asked a question by a potential new joiner that I dont have the answer to:
Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence?
She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type
with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)".
But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered?
Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence?
She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type
with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)".
But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered?
to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break.
