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Old 14th Jan 2019, 10:55
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post


Good job you’re not in charge of revenue management for IAG. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, there is not a cat in hell’s chance Level is going to replace the beach fleet. For emphasis not a chance in hell. The premium cabins are always full and make BA/IAG a fortune.

Let me get this straight, you seriously think the management are so stupid that they’ll trash all of that yield and reduce their profits significantly just to spitefully reduce Pilots’ Ts and Cs? Not happening. The fear around Level is ridiculous and unwarranted.
Whoa! Down boy.

Touchy nerve or something. I'm quite aware of the loads thanks although I wouldn't spout about them on here, as for management stupidity, well I'll hold those views to myself.

My comment "I would save that CV for when Level takes it over." as I think most would have read was tongue in cheek. Vokes55 was looking purely for a 777 LGW roster or a 777 LGW base, tell me that my answer wasn't accurate......

But then again who knows for sure what new aircraft / routes and in what colour the future brings.... ��

EDIT
Rex.... We called their bluff on a LH LGW base a number of years ago if you remember.

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Old 14th Jan 2019, 10:59
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Iím making the point because thereís some people who genuinely believe that level are a threat to their livelihoods and take that fear into industrial negotiations with IAG and are afraid to call their bluff. No more no less.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 11:42
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I wouldn't put it past the management to hand over the routes and/or aircraft to Level at LGW. How long would it take to refit a Level aircraft to put a Club seat in?
This company cares more for cutting costs than growing or maintaining revenue, even at the price of long term damage to the brand.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 14:58
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Integrate bmi or we will set up BA express

SH must be more efficient or else all investment will go to Vueling

Invest for today, invest in your future so we can pay shareholders today.

Level this, level that. Norwegian etc etc. Never, Lufthansa, KLM, American etc

We need to be sensible, after all how many cars are built at Longbridge now? But we also need to share in the success we are delivering and have confidence in our value to IAG. Letís not sell ourselves short. Have confidence in the value we provide and the power of the brand.

Anyway, if BA want to be competitive with Easyjet and Ryanair then they need to start paying us better and working us less. 😉
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 17:34
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Originally Posted by cycles gladiator View Post
Hi, now that DEP has opened up for LGW on 320, would anyone be able to give me an example roster.
The few trips they do and the pros and cons of choosing Lgw over Lhr.
Many thanks
Anybody? Would be good to know what the trips are from LGW on Airbus.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 19:48
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Integrate bmi or we will set up BA express

SH must be more efficient or else all investment will go to Vueling

Invest for today, invest in your future so we can pay shareholders today.

Level this, level that. Norwegian etc etc. Never, Lufthansa, KLM, American etc

We need to be sensible, after all how many cars are built at Longbridge now? But we also need to share in the success we are delivering and have confidence in our value to IAG. Letís not sell ourselves short. Have confidence in the value we provide and the power of the brand.

Anyway, if BA want to be competitive with Easyjet and Ryanair then they need to start paying us better and working us less. 😉
is there already more known on the cla proposal that the unions did; profit share and the salary Increase? The union/ balpa proposal was submitted beginning of december right?
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 20:11
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Originally Posted by cycles gladiator View Post


Anybody? Would be good to know what the trips are from LGW on Airbus.
January Trips for BA Airbus out of LGW.

Just a snap-shot. Other listings are available.

(*means some are night-stop, **means some include a stand-over day):




AGP

SVQ

PMI*

JER*

ALG

GVA

SZG

EDI*

EDI**

INN

TRN

FAO

VCE

FCO

AMS

NCE

GLA*

GNB

BOD

GOA

NAP

LYS

FNC

ACE

TIA

FDH

NUE

RAK

BCN

MLA

TFS

VLC

CGN

DBV

OPO







​​​​​​​
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 06:47
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Thanks eckhard. Appreciated.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 09:56
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Just one correction to the above; thereís no PMI night stop, just a night flight in summer I believe.

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Old 15th Jan 2019, 16:55
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Hi all, was at the first stage on December 3rd and was successful. Haven't heard about stage 2 yet, except as mentioned earlier. Which means BA released one slot for the 3rd of January and that was it. Is it the same for you guys?

Thanks a lot in advance.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 19:50
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Originally Posted by LeMoul View Post
Hi all, was at the first stage on December 3rd and was successful. Haven't heard about stage 2 yet, except as mentioned earlier. Which means BA released one slot for the 3rd of January and that was it. Is it the same for you guys?

Thanks a lot in advance.
There was a slot that opened up on the 29th of Jan for a microsecond .
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 20:13
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Thanks for the info! Iím checking the website every hour or so, and still I missed it... itís quite incredible. Any feedback most welcome for those who were there lately.

Cheers
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:39
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Hi everybody,

I just got the invitation to be assessed. Can anyone be kind enough to let me know what Stage 1 consists of? What about Stage 2?

I have the option of doing only a Stage 1 day or a date that comprises both Stage 1 and Stage 2 on the same day. Does it make sense to take a day where you can do both? Or from your experience you would avoid the extra work?

Thank you in advance.

Cheers!
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 16:41
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Originally Posted by C212-100 View Post
Hi everybody,

I just got the invitation to be assessed. Can anyone be kind enough to let me know what Stage 1 consists of? What about Stage 2?

I have the option of doing only a Stage 1 day or a date that comprises both Stage 1 and Stage 2 on the same day. Does it make sense to take a day where you can do both? Or from your experience you would avoid the extra work?

Thank you in advance.

Cheers!
Stage 1 - Maths paper, verbal reasoning paper and a 'capacity test' style game on a computer
Stage 2 - Interview and Group Ex.

Personally, I'd have definitely elected to do Stage 1 and 2 on the same day if given the choice. I don't think theres much you can do to prep for Stage 1 - and you'll be out in a couple of hours if you do it on its own. Also, as you'll see from other comments on here, there are limited days available and it can be hard to get one that coincides with time off work. All told, I had nearly 2 months between stage 1 and 2 which will cost you a good number of places on the seniority list with the current level of recruitment.

Good luck!
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 21:08
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As others have said above don't come here for SH. You'd have to be somewhere pretty bad to better off. FTL's are targets and I've never been so close to 60 hours duty/ 7 days more than I have been here. I made the mistake of leaving ezy for BA short haul and IMHO you're not better off. More work for similar pay. Fatigue isn't a recognised concept here and you'll get patronising comments from management telling you to bid for more days off.

As always its each to their own- long term there is more variety and yes the staff travel for Long Haul is a nice addition. Come here for short haul and you will probably be on the airbus for at least 5 years and with all the Long haul DEP possibly even longer. Even when your freeze is up you still need seniority for it. That currently sits about 3400 and as a new joiner you will be somewhere about 4400. Who knows how long it will take. What is long haul even going to look like in 5/6/7 years? BA are after productivity and you bet the workforce here will give it. Never seen so many people offering days off at a pretty embarrassing market rate (330£/day LGW FO) and coming in on days off to 'help-out' when we get extended none of it back.

You can blame BALPA for the huge decline in T&C's here but we are the only ones to blame from what I've seen in a short period of time IMHO. Its look after number 1- the division amongst us as a work force is genuinely quite depressing at times. LHR/LGW SH/LH PP24/34 BARP/NAPS just to name a few. Company have cleverly manipulated the pilots into this position where will they pick away until there is very little left with almost little to no response from us. I remember reading about what people were willing to do to defend NAPS, Bidline e.t.c but surprise surprise where are they both now?

I'm sure there will be plenty along to tell you how great 24 hours in Cairo/Beirut/Tel-Aviv is () and spending every weekend sat in Pret at T5.. at least you can wear your hat and tell everyone you work for BA! If you're lucky enough you might even get to come in unpaid on days off to be a pilot ambassador

Ok, I'll stop now. Its each to their own- I don't see why you would leave other UK (stable) SH operators to come here and I suppose I'd like people to know what I now know about lifestyle on BA short haul. Probably just bitter and don't want to work 85 hours in February when LGW winter is 'Quiet'.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 21:26
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Originally Posted by MikeAlpha320 View Post
As others have said above don't come here for SH. You'd have to be somewhere pretty bad to better off. FTL's are targets and I've never been so close to 60 hours duty/ 7 days more than I have been here. I made the mistake of leaving ezy for BA short haul and IMHO you're not better off. More work for similar pay. Fatigue isn't a recognised concept here and you'll get patronising comments from management telling you to bid for more days off.

As always its each to their own- long term there is more variety and yes the staff travel for Long Haul is a nice addition. Come here for short haul and you will probably be on the airbus for at least 5 years and with all the Long haul DEP possibly even longer. Even when your freeze is up you still need seniority for it. That currently sits about 3400 and as a new joiner you will be somewhere about 4400. Who knows how long it will take. What is long haul even going to look like in 5/6/7 years? BA are after productivity and you bet the workforce here will give it. Never seen so many people offering days off at a pretty embarrassing market rate (330£/day LGW FO) and coming in on days off to 'help-out' when we get extended none of it back.

You can blame BALPA for the huge decline in T&C's here but we are the only ones to blame from what I've seen in a short period of time IMHO. Its look after number 1- the division amongst us as a work force is genuinely quite depressing at times. LHR/LGW SH/LH PP24/34 BARP/NAPS just to name a few. Company have cleverly manipulated the pilots into this position where will they pick away until there is very little left with almost little to no response from us. I remember reading about what people were willing to do to defend NAPS, Bidline e.t.c but surprise surprise where are they both now?

I'm sure there will be plenty along to tell you how great 24 hours in Cairo/Beirut/Tel-Aviv is () and spending every weekend sat in Pret at T5.. at least you can wear your hat and tell everyone you work for BA! If you're lucky enough you might even get to come in unpaid on days off to be a pilot ambassador

Ok, I'll stop now. Its each to their own- I don't see why you would leave other UK (stable) SH operators to come here and I suppose I'd like people to know what I now know about lifestyle on BA short haul. Probably just bitter and don't want to work 85 hours in February when LGW winter is 'Quiet'.
Agreed, been said lots of times before but please think long and hard before coming here on to SH. We are not making this stuff up, itís bleak really bleak!!!

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Old 16th Jan 2019, 22:37
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You can blame BALPA for the huge decline in T&C's
Yes you can. And you'd be right to do so.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 22:51
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I would like to query this; when you joined BA short haul at LHR on PP34, what exactly did you expect? Exactly why leave somewhere like EZY with stable fixed rostering, regional basings and better and fairer command prospects? The misery of BA SH at Heathrow as been long publicised; certainly for those at the ass end of the list. Iím not having a go, Iím just interested to hear the thought process? I can just about get the LH arguement however anyone doing a straight swap from the orange brigade to BA SH in the last 3 or so years must know something that most donít?!
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 23:34
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Originally Posted by MikeAlpha320 View Post
As others have said above don't come here for SH. You'd have to be somewhere pretty bad to better off. FTL's are targets and I've never been so close to 60 hours duty/ 7 days more than I have been here. I made the mistake of leaving ezy for BA short haul and IMHO you're not better off. More work for similar pay. Fatigue isn't a recognised concept here and you'll get patronising comments from management telling you to bid for more days off.

As always its each to their own- long term there is more variety and yes the staff travel for Long Haul is a nice addition. Come here for short haul and you will probably be on the airbus for at least 5 years and with all the Long haul DEP possibly even longer. Even when your freeze is up you still need seniority for it. That currently sits about 3400 and as a new joiner you will be somewhere about 4400. Who knows how long it will take. What is long haul even going to look like in 5/6/7 years? BA are after productivity and you bet the workforce here will give it. Never seen so many people offering days off at a pretty embarrassing market rate (330£/day LGW FO) and coming in on days off to 'help-out' when we get extended none of it back.

You can blame BALPA for the huge decline in T&C's here but we are the only ones to blame from what I've seen in a short period of time IMHO. Its look after number 1- the division amongst us as a work force is genuinely quite depressing at times. LHR/LGW SH/LH PP24/34 BARP/NAPS just to name a few. Company have cleverly manipulated the pilots into this position where will they pick away until there is very little left with almost little to no response from us. I remember reading about what people were willing to do to defend NAPS, Bidline e.t.c but surprise surprise where are they both now?

I'm sure there will be plenty along to tell you how great 24 hours in Cairo/Beirut/Tel-Aviv is () and spending every weekend sat in Pret at T5.. at least you can wear your hat and tell everyone you work for BA! If you're lucky enough you might even get to come in unpaid on days off to be a pilot ambassador

Ok, I'll stop now. Its each to their own- I don't see why you would leave other UK (stable) SH operators to come here and I suppose I'd like people to know what I now know about lifestyle on BA short haul. Probably just bitter and don't want to work 85 hours in February when LGW winter is 'Quiet'.
There's not much I can add to this, other than to say I'm afraid this has been my experience entirely. In a vain attempt to be positive, I do enjoy the trips/night stops, and some of the hotels are truly fantastic. But unfortunately this is almost totally eclipsed by the rest of the job.

As always, perspectives vary, and they'll invariably do so depending on where you came from. If your airline is dying or has been abusing you somehow, join. If not, I'd personally avoid it like the plague - unless you're desperate for long haul. Bear in mind though that JSS now destroys any kind of roster control for the juniors, irrespective of fleet. Short haul can be truly appalling - you'll have no control over days off and you'll find yourself switching between earlies and lates relentlessly, often with only one or two days off between. Equally some junior long haul rosters now appear to feature 6 full trips per month, again regularly with only a single day off between trips. How you manage any kind of home life with that kind of roster really is a mystery to me.

As I've seen mentioned before - don't get drawn in by being able to say you work for BA, calling yourself speedbird, or just going there because everyone else is. Think long and hard about it and ask yourself if it's really worth it.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 00:15
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Originally Posted by Callsign Kilo View Post
I can just about get the LH arguement however anyone doing a straight swap from the orange brigade to BA SH in the last 3 or so years must know something that most donít?!
Yep, they know they'll get double the pay they had during the lower ranks of EZY. How about leaving for future prospects? You're only ever going to do day trips at EZY, for the rest of time, on the 320. Admittedly for good money and potentially at regional bases. Some aspire to more though.

Sadly of course things at BA have deteriorated so drastically that the above is actually becoming the more appealing option. You only have to look at the current recruitment options to see what BA are having to do to entice people in these days.
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