BA Direct Entry Pilot.
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Timba Hold
Posts: 48
Originally Posted by speed freek
Because it's fashionable to badmouth the company whenever possible.
The best flying job is flying for a legacy in your home country. Dutch pilots going to KLM isn't an accurate reflection of "deterioration" in BA as some would have you believe.
The best flying job is flying for a legacy in your home country. Dutch pilots going to KLM isn't an accurate reflection of "deterioration" in BA as some would have you believe.
And here is the reason why we end up in the state we do. I love it. People here have genuine gripes & issues. A lot of us have come from other airlines (are you at BA? were you a cadet?) and have had other experiences- some good, some bad. I am NOT badmouthing BA. I am simply relating my previous experience to my current one. Flying SH airbus from LGW/LHR. I am trying to give people my opinion on the actual reality of working here. Not someone on Instagram/Facebook trying to impress everyone with their fabulous rosters and wonderful work life.
If I was really 'Bad mouthing' them my posts would be far longer and would probably be removed by mods for my colourful language
. Why is the best job legacy in your home country? I have plenty of friends working 4 on 4 off home every night at their regional base on part time contracts earning far more than I do in their loco, but I suppose BA is better because its a legacy, right? You are crazy if you can't see the decline in T&C's at BA. People are leaving, back to where they came from. They are struggling to fill LGW commands. They are getting SH offers refused left right and centre. It has got nothing to do with being fashionable and in all honesty I think you are just insulting those of us that actually go against the grain and don't pretend BA is this utopia that some love to pretend. Ill leave that to the centenary pin wearers
Join Date: Sep 2002
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are you at BA? were you a cadet?
If I was really 'Bad mouthing' them my posts would be far longer and would probably be removed by mods for my colourful language . Why is the best job legacy in your home country? I have plenty of friends working 4 on 4 off home every night at their regional base on part time contracts earning far more than I do in their loco, but I suppose BA is better because its a legacy, right?
. Why is the best job legacy in your home country? I have plenty of friends working 4 on 4 off home every night at their regional base on part time contracts earning far more than I do in their loco, but I suppose BA is better because its a legacy, right?
You are crazy if you can't see the decline in T&C's at BA.
People are leaving, back to where they came from.
They are struggling to fill LGW commands.
They are getting SH offers refused left right and centre.
It has got nothing to do with being fashionable and in all honesty I think you are just insulting those of us that actually go against the grain and don't pretend BA is this utopia that some love to pretend. Ill leave that to the centenary pin wearers
In the mean time I have the opportunity to fly long haul for an airline making money and I'm in my home country. I'm a simple person. That makes me happy.
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Timba Hold
Posts: 48
Speed Freek:
Crew food is almost identical. Just as unhealthy and arguably less variety (LGW). I didn't eat it at easy and try not to at BA.
In Almost 3.5 years I had the oven u/s twice. Went into terminal and got hot food which we then charged back to the company.
Night stops weren't min rest LIN is currently 16 hours, INV 17 hours and MAD 16 hours (on lates) . Some long links in the summer but when they tried to pair RAK with INV it lasted about 2 weeks before people kept going fatigued and it got canned. Jersey night stop is paired with Marrakech and Tirana at BA. In summer landing about 0230.
Max FTL days were there in the summer but when you'd had too much you went fatigued and weren't bothered with ridiculous emails in response. After 2016 Balpa got significant alleviations at the planning stage to avoid max FTLs. I was there during the 'near walk out' and it was a horrendous summer. 17 was far better and from what I hear 18 was a similar story. I didn't do single days off, I didn't do 6 day blocks, when enough was enough I made the professional and legally correct decision to report fatigued. I wasn't interrogated about my commute, I wasn't told I had to bid for more days off, I wasn't told I shouldn't do things before work on lates. I wasn't told I was 'simply tired' and that it was 'hard to see what was fatiguing about my roster construction'.
People are leaving - check iBid rosters.
Why did they have to do a supplementary bid then? Why did the command go all the way to the bottom of seniority list? Hardly strikes me as a particularly popular position.
Post on yammer says several people failing to turn up for courses and lots of refusals. Had several friends refuse SH from ezy alone.
SH BA is a long way from EJ SH in my experience. I work far harder and get far more hassle for the privilege. Cant speak for LH but as my previous post states- I wouldn't join here for SH knowing what I know now.
Crew food is almost identical. Just as unhealthy and arguably less variety (LGW). I didn't eat it at easy and try not to at BA.
In Almost 3.5 years I had the oven u/s twice. Went into terminal and got hot food which we then charged back to the company.
Night stops weren't min rest LIN is currently 16 hours, INV 17 hours and MAD 16 hours (on lates) . Some long links in the summer but when they tried to pair RAK with INV it lasted about 2 weeks before people kept going fatigued and it got canned. Jersey night stop is paired with Marrakech and Tirana at BA. In summer landing about 0230.
Max FTL days were there in the summer but when you'd had too much you went fatigued and weren't bothered with ridiculous emails in response. After 2016 Balpa got significant alleviations at the planning stage to avoid max FTLs. I was there during the 'near walk out' and it was a horrendous summer. 17 was far better and from what I hear 18 was a similar story. I didn't do single days off, I didn't do 6 day blocks, when enough was enough I made the professional and legally correct decision to report fatigued. I wasn't interrogated about my commute, I wasn't told I had to bid for more days off, I wasn't told I shouldn't do things before work on lates. I wasn't told I was 'simply tired' and that it was 'hard to see what was fatiguing about my roster construction'.
People are leaving - check iBid rosters.
Why did they have to do a supplementary bid then? Why did the command go all the way to the bottom of seniority list? Hardly strikes me as a particularly popular position.
Post on yammer says several people failing to turn up for courses and lots of refusals. Had several friends refuse SH from ezy alone.
SH BA is a long way from EJ SH in my experience. I work far harder and get far more hassle for the privilege. Cant speak for LH but as my previous post states- I wouldn't join here for SH knowing what I know now.
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Posts: 532
Red 9, yes quite right. Yet more clear evidence I can't multi task 
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: London
Posts: 50
Originally Posted by speed freek
Red 9, yes quite right. Yet more clear evidence I can't multi task
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
it is happening , it isn’t all rose tinted , open your eyes .
I have been in my new job for less than a month and already feel much more relaxed and excited
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Utopia
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Originally Posted by Riskybis
but people are leaving , I have recently left , I know that their is a course starting in April which is ALL BA guys and girls ,
it is happening , it isn’t all rose tinted , open your eyes .
I have been in my new job for less than a month and already feel much more relaxed and excited
at easyJet do you mean?
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Timba Hold
Posts: 48
Originally Posted by speed freek
Red 9, yes quite right. Yet more clear evidence I can't multi task
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
MikeAlpha, it's very clear both our experiences of both companies are widely different, such is the nature of this job. But to help the people on the outside make an informed decision - if it's that bad here why don't you leave? It seems, like myself, you're junior enough it's non-jeopardy and you could be on a part time command contract earning more money like your mates before too long.
Who is to say that I'm not? LGW commands have gone very junior ... back for DEC easy for a 30k payrise and fixed roster 5/4/5/3....
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Riskybis, I never said everything is rose tinted and perfect. Read my post again. And if you did go to virgin I know many guys there who are unhappy and looking at their options. Deteriorating Ts and Cs are but one of many reasons someone might choose to leave. Without asking we won't know their reasons. Maybe being based in Liverpool is suddenly more important than working for a blue or red legacy. But whatever, don't let that get in the way of a good BA bash.
MikeAlpha, good luck to you mate. After 10 years I couldn't do 5 earlies anymore. Hope it works out for you.
MikeAlpha, good luck to you mate. After 10 years I couldn't do 5 earlies anymore. Hope it works out for you.
Sciolist (look it up) of the first order
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 765
Originally Posted by speed freek
MikeAlpha, good luck to you mate. After 10 years I couldn't do 5 earlies anymore. Hope it works out for you.
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Doha
Age: 8
Posts: 367
It’s very sad that any UK airline has such a bad terms and conditions that people are looking to leave. You would have thought BA would have been dead man (women) shoes. I wonder how many are unhappy to the point they are considering leaving TCX or TUI. Surely BA must be wasting a lot of money each time someone leaves.
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 1,623
MikeAlpha
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You might find that Easy Pilots had those sort of questions when they first started FRMS - what it must be 15 years ago? probably when you were still at school?
I'm sure Easy do look at commuting and BA are quiet correct in asking you - just look at Crew Members Responsibilities if not.
BA have just started down the FRMS it was only a few years ago the normal comment was "there is no fatigue at BA" . So its early doors when you get what seem like daft questions when you come from Easy which has a mature FRMS (and it was only a few years ago they came under a lot of flack from BALPA about FRMS)
Max FTL days were there in the summer but when you'd had too much you went fatigued and weren't bothered with ridiculous emails in response. After 2016 Balpa got significant alleviations at the planning stage to avoid max FTLs. I was there during the 'near walk out' and it was a horrendous summer. 17 was far better and from what I hear 18 was a similar story. I didn't do single days off, I didn't do 6 day blocks, when enough was enough I made the professional and legally correct decision to report fatigued. I wasn't interrogated about my commute, I wasn't told I had to bid for more days off, I wasn't told I shouldn't do things before work on lates. I wasn't told I was 'simply tired' and that it was 'hard to see what was fatiguing about my roster construction'
You might find that Easy Pilots had those sort of questions when they first started FRMS - what it must be 15 years ago? probably when you were still at school?
I'm sure Easy do look at commuting and BA are quiet correct in asking you - just look at Crew Members Responsibilities if not.
BA have just started down the FRMS it was only a few years ago the normal comment was "there is no fatigue at BA" . So its early doors when you get what seem like daft questions when you come from Easy which has a mature FRMS (and it was only a few years ago they came under a lot of flack from BALPA about FRMS)
Last edited by Mr Angry from Purley; 19th Jan 2019 at 15:16. Reason: quote
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Originally Posted by speed freek
Maybe being based in Liverpool is suddenly more important than working for a blue or red legacy. But whatever, don't let that get in the way of a good BA bash.
Delusional Speed Freek
