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Old 28th Jan 2019, 17:20
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Originally Posted by 738BusDriver View Post
Hi all,

I did stage 3, 3 weeks ago and havenít heard from recruitment team yet. We were told we would hear within 2 weeks. Anyone waiting a similar time?

Thanks.
737,Ring them up,sometimes they forget to get back to you.Happened to someone close to me
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 19:34
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Get your application in before everyone else beats you to it... offer of a 2.3% pay rise with over a billion pound profit

What an insult.

Last edited by MikeAlpha320; 28th Jan 2019 at 20:58. Reason: Clarification of company response
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 19:37
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Join Date: May 2005
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Originally Posted by MikeAlpha320 View Post
Get your application in before everyone else beats you to it... 2.3% pay rise with over a billion pound profit

What an insult.
How the hell did BALPA let them get away with that ???????
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 20:10
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Originally Posted by red9 View Post
How the hell did BALPA let them get away with that ???????
They havenít. Itís the derisory BA response to a pay claim that is far more substantial. It will be rejected out of hand by all unions involved.

If you join now you will get treated with contempt by any and all management but you will get a lovely centenary tie pin.

Swings and Roundabouts.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 10:40
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Well I was stood next to a new batch of DEPs yesterday in the CRC, all looking super happy. All carrying a cardboard box, I wonder what was in there?!
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 10:57
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That all depends on whether it was centenary pin sized or iPad sized?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 11:02
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BitMoreRightRudder

All carrying a cardboard box, I wonder what was in there?!
Vaseline??




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Old 29th Jan 2019, 13:34
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Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder View Post


Vaseline??






Give it 6 months and see how happy they are working every weekend, constantly changing early/late and working ridiculous rostering patterns. But we have leave? They'll just fit all the hours into the rest of the month!
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 23:11
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post
Sadly there isn't much better alternatives out there. It may not be perfect but it isn't exactly a bad gig is it.

I never had pay withheld at previous (cap overrun). I understand Christmas NCP has also been 'missed'. SH rostering is far better elsewhere. Its great to see BALPA standing up given the company response to the pay deal, though.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 23:35
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When was the last time BA released slots for the 3rd stage?
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 09:07
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Originally Posted by MikeAlpha320 View Post
Its great to see BALPA standing up given the company response to the pay deal, though.
Agreed. Letís see how far the courage for a fight goes over an insulting pay offer. That said, the initial pay claim was very weak given the current profitability of the airline.

Not sure if this has been discussed before but has a Fixed Pattern Roster ever been explored? Had it at a previous company many moons ago and it made a HUGE differerece when it was introduced. It has big benefits without really costing the company a penny save for the extra manpower hours required to administer it. I reckon it would decrease sickness and fatigue which would more than payfor those office hours.

Any thoughts from applicants at EZY, FR & DHK?
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by 2 Whites 2 Reds View Post


Agreed. Letís see how far the courage for a fight goes over an insulting pay offer. That said, the initial pay claim was very weak given the current profitability of the airline.

Not sure if this has been discussed before but has a Fixed Pattern Roster ever been explored? Had it at a previous company many moons ago and it made a HUGE differerece when it was introduced. It has big benefits without really costing the company a penny save for the extra manpower hours required to administer it. I reckon it would decrease sickness and fatigue which would more than payfor those office hours.

Any thoughts from applicants at EZY, FR & DHK?
Would never get fixed roster at BA I don't think. It doesn't guarantee you every weekend off/ specific days of the week people bid for. Senior guys/girls wouldn't let it happen IMHO. I think it would be great to get some more days off but can't see it happening!
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 11:39
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For what itís worth I quite like a random roster in the sense that yeah you might only get a couple of days off after a long six (or even seven!) days but to balance that you get 5+ days off somewhere else which are far more useful for commuting than just three days for instance. Horses for courses I suppose but I wouldnít welcome a 5354 pattern at all.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 12:11
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To anyone that has attended stage 1 recently - can you recommend any online software for practice?
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 12:43
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Originally Posted by 2 Whites 2 Reds View Post
Not sure if this has been discussed before but has a Fixed Pattern Roster ever been explored?


Certainly not at BA during my aeons at the company.

Had it at a previous company many moons ago and it made a HUGE differerece when it was introduced. It has big benefits without really costing the company a penny save for the extra manpower hours required to administer it.



I think I can see how fixed pattern could work quite well somewhere that is pretty much limited to day trips but I think it would tough to do it on BA Shorthaul due to the mix of single day trips, night stops through to multi day tours,without getting rosters very limited in their variety. It would probably be a complete non starter on Longhaul where you have anything from the odd (very odd) day trip right through to the 9 day trip down to SYD on the 777.








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Old 31st Jan 2019, 13:01
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


Certainly not during my aeons at the company.


I think can see how it could work quite well somewhere that has limited nightstops but I think it would tough to do it on BA Shorthaul with the mix of day trips and tours, and probably a complete non starter on Longhaul where you have anything from the odd (very odd) day trip right through to the 9 day trip down to SYD on the 777.


FWIW it was decided at said company that it wasn't possible to implement Fixed Patterns on the LH aspect of the company but it worked REALLY well on the SH side where we were doing almost exclusively day stops all over Europe. The flying was a mix of 1-4 sector duty periods. Not everyone was on it or indeed wanted it but the ones that did want it and got it were generally very happy with the rostering part of the job.

I'm just thinking maybe BALPA could have made real inroads into improving conditions for our SH colleagues rather than just chasing money money money (and not much of it at that in this particular claim!) The numbers clambering to achieve part time would suggest money isn't the be all and end all. Possibly a conversation for another thread but just my thoughts.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 13:06
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Quick question - I applied for DEP in October and am still going through the recruitment process. The application is now split between 777/787 or A320/A350/A380. I've been placed into the latter bracket, despite only having a few hundred airbus hours. Will this have any bearing on fleet offer if successful? Or is it still a 'placed where needed' system?

Thanks
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 16:49
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Originally Posted by ChrisE View Post
Quick question - I applied for DEP in October and am still going through the recruitment process. The application is now split between 777/787 or A320/A350/A380. I've been placed into the latter bracket, despite only having a few hundred airbus hours. Will this have any bearing on fleet offer if successful? Or is it still a 'placed where needed' system?

Thanks
From what I garnered on a recent internal conversion course, the training system is at max chat and will remain so for some time to come. So while the systems needs will always feature heavily, the current rating on your licence will also be taken into account as minimal footprint on the training system is now more important than ever.

That said, a guy I know who is airbus rated applied to the general DEP LH recruitment (and was then labelled A320/A350/A380 when they recently split it) has just been offered 777.

It remains a variable feast. Best of luck with it.

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Old 31st Jan 2019, 18:02
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2 Whites..2 Reds...

No the stratergy is correct.

SH work / life balance is top of a list of items to be addressed, most likely departmentally at the back end of the ongoing corporate pay deal.

A return of the duty rig from 1.8 to 2.0 to be specific but the financial figure to achieve this is relatively small.

Cold hard cash pays for mortgages, buys part time ( when available) pays for schools etc etc.

The current plan for this summer is so ambitious that it will most likely fall apart due LTS, fatigue, etc so Flt Ops will have to do something about it anyway.

Why solve their issues at the front end of a pay negotionation? We are about to post huge profits....go for the cash while it is there would be my advice.








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Old 1st Feb 2019, 03:25
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Originally Posted by 8029848s View Post
Why solve their issues at the front end of a pay negotionation? We are about to post huge profits....go for the cash while it is there would be my advice.
Same case at CX/EK and most every other airline these days. Seems only BA actually will type rate without taking it out of pay etc.

What happens when there are insufficient pilots who are able and/or willing to try to pass the BA selection process? Will they up pay, or change the process, as they did in the mid 90s?
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