BA Direct Entry Pilot.

[VinRouge]

Originally Posted by wiggy

I’ll admit for some reason that comment made me chuckle....

As has been said you get issued an iPad and a uniform, luggage etc is down to the individual...

you can claim tax back on flight cases as it's a business expense. Same with any active noise reduction headphones for use whilst deadheading or in augmented rest. Sun glasses too.

Speak to.your Balpa rep.

[overstress]

VinRouge, I think that's covered by the BALPA negotiated FREA (Fixed Rate Expense Allowance) - no individual items will be claimable. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

[wiggy]

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-man...anual/eim50051

(BA provide noise cancelling headsets on the flight deck)

As far as flight cases and HMRC are concerned, like overstress I've always thought that was covered by the FREA : "the industry wide FRE for airline pilots, and other flight deck crew (see EIM50052) does not include anything for items of normal luggage, although the pilot’s flight case is included"... that's from:

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-man...anual/eim50055

[angelo26]

Hi all,
I have just booked stage 2.

P.s.
I have a UK CAA issued licence but I want to renew my type rating in Italy with an Italian SFE.
Do you know what forms and what documents will be requested by the UK CAA.

Sorry for the Offtopic.

Regards,

Angelo26

[GetTheQRH]

The BA website list all their salaries as 'Competitive' which makes it hard to try and make any sort of judgement on when deciding to move there from another airline.

Does anyone know what the Year 1 DEP FO (probably LGW) salary is? PilotJobsNetwork says £58,864 but not entirely sure how accurate this is.
TIA

[Dupre]

Originally Posted by GetTheQRH

The BA website list all their salaries as 'Competitive' which makes it hard to try and make any sort of judgement on when deciding to move there from another airline.

Does anyone know what the Year 1 DEP FO (probably LGW) salary is? PilotJobsNetwork says £58,864 but not entirely sure how accurate this is.
TIA

That figure is very accurate.

[cessnapete]

I have a mate DEP on LH type LHR based, joined couple or so years ago. Nearer £70G now with all the add ons.

[RexBanner]

Repeating Dupre’s Post the figure is very accurate. Yes all in you’re potentially looking at over £70k but that very much depends on many factors now that they’ve taken away the fixed flying pay. For instance sickness, multiple reserve periods that aren’t particularly busy, months with leave and/or pre-assignments, they’ll all dent your take home. Plus if you’re looking to buy a property you can forget borrowing against the variable elements of the salary any more (at least not until you’ve been with the company for two years and can produce twelve months of payslips and even then banks will only take into account half of it). So that figure is very relevant despite being seduced by the extras.

[8029848s]

It would take you 28 years in BA to break even with Easyjet in terms of total income based on time scale to command as it stands.

All depends on what you want from life / a job.

BA is not the answer for all.

[EllanVannin]

Originally Posted by 8029848s

It would take you 28 years in BA to break even with Easyjet in terms of total income based on time scale to command as it stands.

.

Absolute nonsense.

You can make all kinds of assumptions about things like time to command, time to long haul, whether you should include the roughly 1000 GBP/month downroute allowances BA pilots get paid that easyjet guys to not, the fact the BA total pension contribution is around 50% higher than easyjet, easyjet loyalty bonus, money earned per actual day at work etc. We could argue those things till we are bored to tears. Lies, damned lies and statistics (and all that). Frankly you can argue it both ways.

However, how on earth you came up with 28 years to break even takes some doing.

[geardown1]

Response Time

Hey guys, does anyone know how long they take for any initial response, after the submitting CV part? I got the immediate email to say the application was in, but is there a standard response time?

Thanks!

[RexBanner]

Not on PP34 you don’t.

[8029848s]

Its not rocket science guys...use excel......2/3 years to a command in Easy Jet Ryanair, considerably longer in BA to achieve the four figures in BA which is actually on SH command below the others carriers and yes...bingo...28 years plus or minus.

Ok the pension in BA is slightly better but we are almost identical on BA SH in terms of hours / productivity than Easy Jet / Ryanair.

If you live in the regions, even Jet2 makes more sense unless you crave long haul...in which join Virgin and have 5 days rather than 1/2 off before your next flight in BA.

Trust me...at the present caps, and we are 400 pilots short, you are highly likely to be ill, fatigued, or divorced in BA if things continue as they are.

[SinBin]

It’s not that bad at BA, shall we steer the thread back to BA DEP recruitment as opposed an easy v ba v jet2 thread, there are other places for that. If it’s money you’re after go and fly in China. BA has a new CC, so things may or may not get interesting over the next few months. DEP recruitment opened up again, now requiring just 100 sectors with a TR which satisfies the ZFT requirement. This may or may not be less than 500 hours.

[RexBanner]

Originally Posted by 8029848s

unless you crave long haul...in which join Virgin and have 5 days rather than 1/2 off before your next flight in BA.

Maybe on the 787 with all the engine issues at the moment. Certainly not true for the guys on the A330 and this is before all the issues with the 787 engines kicked off. Trip two days off, trip two days off was certainly true for the Airbus roster that I saw at VS. Plus do you really think it’s a secure place to work now Branson has sold it? Even when he owned it if you were bouncing around the bottom of the seniority list you were in dire peril whenever someone so much as sneezed on Wall St.

[bex88]

I have been looking at the whole BA/EZY deal for a while. I ran the figures a few days ago and it takes 21 years at BA to match the basic at EZY including their loyalty bonus. (SH Captain on PP34) Allowances are roughly similar so forget that one. The difference is pension. BA offer me 16.5% (avc’s you see) where EZY offer you 7%. Essentially BA pay a lower basic but your pension or deferred pay is greater. If I were to change one thing about my position it would be to live closer to Heathrow. The commute is crap but honestly I can’t live around London. That leaves a commute. It’s only just over an hour but it’s a ball ache. Live near London I would take BA. Live near a regional airport I would take a LOCO with the hope of a base move one day. BA is a good company generally but if you are not fussed with LH or don’t like living out of a suit case or a Van in a truck stop then there are better options.

Saw that managed path has opened which is great news.

[3Greens]

virgin has 750 hour annual limit, so there’s a slight advantage there. Absolute gold dust that kind of contract these day.

[Barcli]

bex88 said "Saw that managed path has opened which is great news. "
Whats that then ?

[wiggy]

It’s the specific pathway/scheme for those joining from the military (and yes I agree with bex...it is good news)...

https://careers.ba.com/military-scheme

[zero/zero]

Originally Posted by 3Greens

virgin has 750 hour annual limit, so there’s a slight advantage there. Absolute gold dust that kind of contract these day.

And then last year they posted a loss in pretty favourable industry conditions. We’ll see how long the contract lasts