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Old 5th Mar 2020, 21:57
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Originally Posted by GetTheQRH
All future assessment dates have been removed, but candidates are frozen at their current stage and will be able to continue through the process from where they left off when recruitment reopens.
Thanks for clarifying; I guess we’re fully crewed for the time being then 🤔
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 11:31
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Well we were all wrong... just had an phone call from someone in flight ops to tell me theyve retracted my offer of employment and stuck me at the top of the hold pool until further notice.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 12:34
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Coming classes cancelled and everyone back in the hold pool is what i'm hearing!

Everyone affected is too busy trying to stop their lives falling apart to post here. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Best of luck to those caught up in this heinous act of cruelty.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 12:41
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An absolute disgrace if this is true.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 12:54
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Afraid so. 3 weeks to go on my notice from current job and back in the pool. Just had a call from flt ops.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 13:03
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I can confirm this... Got the call that my course has been cancelled.. 4 weeks to go with current employer. Tried to cancel my resignation and base manager has been told not to take back any pilots who have had courses cancelled by BA
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 13:06
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow
Afraid so. 3 weeks to go on my notice from current job and back in the pool. Just had a call from flt ops.
Yup just had the call as well, same time frame, 3 weeks until start date. Unlikely that my current employer will keep me on any longer than my notice period. Pretty gutted.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 13:08
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow
Afraid so. 3 weeks to go on my notice from current job and back in the pool. Just had a call from flt ops.
This is appalling. If you have a signed job offer you have legal protections - at the minimum you're entitled to the pay for the three month notice period (+ the accrued holiday pay).
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 13:12
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I hope there are legal options available for breach of contract for those of you in such an awful position.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 13:31
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Originally Posted by Jwscud
I hope there are legal options available for breach of contract for those of you in such an awful position.
I certainly hope so; or BALPA take a strong position on it.

Terrible news for those involved, not a nice thing to have to tackle with your soon to be employer
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 13:39
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I'm in the same boat, May 11th course 'postponed'. Cheeky bugger who called me said he 'hoped it would be months rather than years' before I get a course.

Problem I can see with BALPA/those involved kicking up a fuss is them cancelling the courses indefinitely as punishment, I really wouldn't put it past them to make an example of those to seek legal action based on their recently cold heartedness.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 16:11
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This corona virus is serious. As soon as I heard you could be infectious before presenting symptoms, I knew it was a serious problem and I couldn’t see the world treating it seriously enough. I still do not think it is being treated seriously enough, even with clear examples of heath services being crippled by the demand. A coordinated global effort is required to nip it in the bud, but the worlds leaders are hoping they can avoid economic damage by getting lucky with pussyfooting around.

That being said, whilst I am pleased the company are recognising the seriousness of this outbreak, I am both saddened and surprised that they are choosing to display their true colours to all future pilot applicants by cancelling signed contracts.

Good luck to you all.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Jwscud
I hope there are legal options available for breach of contract for those of you in such an awful position.
I don't think there are any - until you start, you don't have a contract in force, therefore there is no breach!
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 18:43
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Quote from my friend who is a BALPA rep:

"It stinks. It’s also unexpected. They’ve always honoured signed contracts even after 9/11 and in 2008"

Cheers union, makes all those union subs worth it.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 19:13
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Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi
I don't think there are any - until you start, you don't have a contract in force, therefore there is no breach!
What's the point in signing it before day one then?
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 19:56
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Originally Posted by WorcesterPilot
Quote from my friend who is a BALPA rep:

"It stinks. It’s also unexpected. They’ve always honoured signed contracts even after 9/11 and in 2008"

Cheers union, makes all those union subs worth it.
Rams home the point I made earlier about our management. God knows what they’re dreaming up now by way of salary reductions/redundancies. Sincere apologies and commiserations to those who are affected by all this. If anything it’s a heads up and eye opener as to the true nature of the company you would have been joining. Fingers crossed you can get things sorted out ASAP. I get the feeling all of us are going to need good luck over the next few months.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 21:59
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Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi
I don't think there are any - until you start, you don't have a contract in force, therefore there is no breach!
Existing case law disagrees with you.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 23:28
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I would think this would qualify as ‘Force majeure’, BA are likely to be able to alleviate all contractural obligations to the new joiners whilst the effects of Corona Virus are impacting the business. Of course can only be applicable if the BA contract includes a clause allowing the application of Force Majeure but I would be shocked if they don’t have it in the wording. Corona Virus is clearly an event outside of the control of both parties.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 04:06
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A friend of mine was due to start next month and he asked about hold pool validity and if there would be any ramifications of lack of currency, for those who have already resigned from their current position.

He said that he was assured that in a worst case scenario, there would be indefinite validity for those entering the hold pool again. There would also be no problem for those that may have a gap in flying activity, prior to eventual employment with BA.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 07:48
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The current situation is unlike any before. This is expected to be a very significant but relatively short time frame event. What does the company do? In this situation it needs to minimise losses in the short term without affecting the medium term plans. If there were to be a panicked mass redundancy of hundreds of pilots, it would then prove very difficult to get them all back into work quickly enough when we see recovery.

We see offers for unpaid leave (up to one month), part time options and recruitment freezes (although did we not only two days ago recruit a load of new managers?). What’s the next step? Voluntary retirement package? Part time working across all pilots? As a group what we need to do is all take some of the pain and not see our more junior colleagues out of work. We all complain about workload, lack of time off and tax, this maybe a opportunity to address those issues and save jobs.

Yes I am full time, yes I would go 75% for a fixed period and no I am probably senior enough to not have to do that. I have been at risk a number of times and I was saved by the good will of more senior pilots and I am prepared to do the same for my colleagues.

All speculation of course, hopefully we don’t get to that point.
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