PAL Pilot Exodus
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kurimaw: what pilot license do pal pilot use? phil atpl/cpl with foreign (faa, french or irish) validations. pal pilots with foreign licenses are looked upon with suspicion bec. they can easily go to other airlines. another one recessive policy or mentality pal possesses.
johhny kalbo banned circulation of free flight international magazine within flt ops premises bec pilots can look for jobs in this magazine.
so in short pal policy is the knowhow of pilots in pal should be confined to the bare minimum only to be able to fly in pal (local market). having better knowledge/abilities/skills is frowned upon.
so goes my point again that those who remain in pal deserve the pay they get, e.i. lower pay deserved by those with lesser abilities.
johhny kalbo banned circulation of free flight international magazine within flt ops premises bec pilots can look for jobs in this magazine.
so in short pal policy is the knowhow of pilots in pal should be confined to the bare minimum only to be able to fly in pal (local market). having better knowledge/abilities/skills is frowned upon.
so goes my point again that those who remain in pal deserve the pay they get, e.i. lower pay deserved by those with lesser abilities.
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exodus?
cessna 1052 & kapalmuks: i think the increase in income dramatically changed the outlook of airline pilots here. more than ever, leaving is all talk, lalong walang walk. to think when income used to be so low only a minute percentage of those eagerly discussing transferring to other foreign airlines actually left. ngayon pa. and bupakers who left: most either to india (slowly coming back) or pal! why not many outside? explain.
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bansai: i did not speak 100% of pal pilots. of course there are those who are of excellent capability & i can easily name them. but get paid as if they were of lesser ability!!! that is my point.
i agree with you 100% that there is also this silver spoon pilots groups. most of these guys cannot make it outside. their dad's or mom's cannot go with them. these people do not have mortgage to pay among others & they are living on their parents' money despite being professionals. you think they are fortunate but i tell you they live a shallow existence.
then there is this group who are of lesser ability ergo deserve the pay they get. tried outside but failed.
pack1: pal & cebupac is a different story. bupac has higher moral than pal. why? bec mgt is better. it is not all financial that turns off people in pal. JH, JA, LL, BG, BJ, RP also turn off a lot of them.
i agree with you 100% that there is also this silver spoon pilots groups. most of these guys cannot make it outside. their dad's or mom's cannot go with them. these people do not have mortgage to pay among others & they are living on their parents' money despite being professionals. you think they are fortunate but i tell you they live a shallow existence.
then there is this group who are of lesser ability ergo deserve the pay they get. tried outside but failed.
pack1: pal & cebupac is a different story. bupac has higher moral than pal. why? bec mgt is better. it is not all financial that turns off people in pal. JH, JA, LL, BG, BJ, RP also turn off a lot of them.
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bansai: what i'm referring to is the exodus. there is almost no exodus to speak of. i really believe that the increase in income has created a comfort level for the pilots that leaving seems to be a more earthshaking move than ever. that's why i mentioned bupak pilots opting to transfer to pal, and lesser pal pilots leaving now. it's a fact of life. if things get more comfortable here, why would MORE people think about moving? hence, i simply don't see how appropriate it is to use the word "exodus" still. there's none to speak of, now. and exodus or no exodus, i have no problem with that. just the semantics.
kapalmuks: for many people staying is a choice, and we must respect that. always a different case for each one and what fits one doesn't work for another. hard to speak with a negative sweep about the majority who opt to stay. i agree with you though that many pal pilots are unhappy about the guys running the show. for some the set up is this: work well, bring home the money and ignore the show. if it works for them, don't see anything wrong with that. and they can be competent as well. yes?
peace!
kapalmuks: for many people staying is a choice, and we must respect that. always a different case for each one and what fits one doesn't work for another. hard to speak with a negative sweep about the majority who opt to stay. i agree with you though that many pal pilots are unhappy about the guys running the show. for some the set up is this: work well, bring home the money and ignore the show. if it works for them, don't see anything wrong with that. and they can be competent as well. yes?
peace!
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big airline coming to MNL
my take is: if PAL cannot tackle this airline for the consequences, who else will they tackle? the pilots! expect a lot of BS from management again to pressure/intimidate the pilots from even applying. the easiest thing for them to do.
oh the scums of the earth: they will grow old still as scums...
oh the scums of the earth: they will grow old still as scums...
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President Arroyo in the UAE
According to Business times, Phil President is dropping by UAE to discuss Bilateral ties with Dubai Investors and that is today 27th of JAN.
If PAL will do something nasty with the coming of Etihad, I think they have to reconsider. They will be as if looking to the eyes of the President of the UAE.
If PAL will do something nasty with the coming of Etihad, I think they have to reconsider. They will be as if looking to the eyes of the President of the UAE.
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Davao Pawnee Driver
well, there i was sitting under a shade tree at a nice resort just to the South of Davao with the wife and kids.
The SMB was slipping down well and I was relaxing on vacation.........
When this irresponsible, stupid Pawnee driver thought it would be great fun to wake up yours truly by driving his aircraft undercart through the top leaves of the tree.
This about Christmas.
Message for you lad:
What you did was
stoopid; dangerous and against the law. Stoopid barsteward.
The SMB was slipping down well and I was relaxing on vacation.........
When this irresponsible, stupid Pawnee driver thought it would be great fun to wake up yours truly by driving his aircraft undercart through the top leaves of the tree.
This about Christmas.
Message for you lad:
What you did was
stoopid; dangerous and against the law. Stoopid barsteward.
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Let us see how LT & his empire of bullies will be as meek as a lamb when a giant like Ethihad comes along. He cannot bully this big entity like he would do with everybody including us pilots in the Phils.
Now gentlemen here is your chance. What are you waiting for? But i say this to only those with good abilities & skills (there i go again- old men like me can be so maligalig!!)
Now gentlemen here is your chance. What are you waiting for? But i say this to only those with good abilities & skills (there i go again- old men like me can be so maligalig!!)
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puliszaido: no need for unahan this time. there will be lots of openings good enough to acommodate everyone. all you have to do is go there with self-confidence & geniune desire to get out of that ****hole of cheap labor in PAL.
ask yourself: do i have what it takes?
am i of international standard or am i merely a banana for local philippine consumption?
ask yourself: do i have what it takes?
am i of international standard or am i merely a banana for local philippine consumption?
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You're right, Bansai. But come hell or high water, the EY team will go there to get what they want.
So goodluck to you guys. If you have the right motivation then go for it.
So goodluck to you guys. If you have the right motivation then go for it.
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Bansia
There's a thing called the internet.
- exactly. I don't have to be in the USA to watch zaido. Maybe you haven't heard of iGMA???
By the way, its seems you are a snitch. Ppruner: Jan 2008. log in name:
- Im no snitch. I just happen to be a pilot from the PI. with FAA roots.
- exactly. I don't have to be in the USA to watch zaido. Maybe you haven't heard of iGMA???
By the way, its seems you are a snitch. Ppruner: Jan 2008. log in name:
- Im no snitch. I just happen to be a pilot from the PI. with FAA roots.
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concerned about the issues:
Sirs:
i know that most of the people around here are professional pilots, or persons who work in field in aviation.
i respect and salutes to those people around here because of your dedication to work and have a professionalism.
some of people here are encourages me and give some advices.
but..
although i'm still a student, as a DODO and one of MANY pilot wannabe still learning about the aircraft systems and it's function and components, dreaming to fly a sophisticated fly-by-wire aircraft and work as pilot of the national flag carrier in the philippines (PAL) someday.
i'm just concerned about the issues and topics that i've read here in the forum.
i'm planning to start my flying lessons this year...
somewhere in plaridel.
(i'm not qualified in PALav because i'm only graduate of a associated 2yrs course about a/c maintenance.)
but:
because of the topic what i've read in the forum...
it affects me a lot...
and the question that really confused on my mind right now?
"should i continue it or not?"
lots of money, time and effort and risks of your life will be needed to became successful to this profession...and i'm afraid that one day, all of these will be wasted and turns into nothing and resulting to frustration.
"lower pay deserved by those with lesser abilities"
ouch!
is that true?sir kapalmuks answered about my question about the ratings of pinoy pilot who flies a aircraft of F and N.
kurimaw: what pilot license do pal pilot use? phil atpl/cpl with foreign (faa, french or irish) validations. pal pilots with foreign licenses are looked upon with suspicion bec. they can easily go to other airlines. another one recessive policy or mentality pal possesses.
johhny kalbo banned circulation of free flight international magazine within flt ops premises bec pilots can look for jobs in this magazine.
so in short pal policy is the knowhow of pilots in pal should be confined to the bare minimum only to be able to fly in pal (local market). having better knowledge/abilities/skills is frowned upon.
so goes my point again that those who remain in pal deserve the pay they get, e.i. lower pay deserved by those with lesser abilities.
in short:
you have the rating: high ablility/highpay
don't have the rating:low ability/lowpay
what if...to those person dont have enough money to rate their license outside the country...
sir bansai replies.
kapalmuks,
I dont agree. I have friends left behind in PAL not because they have lesser abilities but because they opted to stay. They are already in their comfort zone so to speak & need not uproot themselves out of the Phils. Another thing, some were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. So working with PAL to them is just like a hobby or past time.
it means that:
silver spoon: flying a wide-body aircraft is just like a past time hobby and considers the aircraft as a very-hot toys?
plastic spoon or no spoon at all: flying a wide-body aircraft is a serious job for the sake of the company, passengers, crewmembers, myself and for my family....
(including the montly amortization pays, rents, necessities, etc.)
is that the true meaning ofPILOT
then....
"expect a lot of BS from management again to pressure/intimidate the pilots from even applying"
what's the meaning of that line????
discrimination between b.s deg. and associates grad?
what if one person has met his/her requirements, with or without experience in aviation. medical examination needed in pal? but he/she is only a associated graduate?
while b.s degree has met his/her requirements,medical examination, with or without experience in aviation and came into a expensive exclusive school?
they choose B.S than Associates grad?
WHY?
"pinoy needs kapwa pinoy pilots?? right?"
"hindi ba tayo pantay-pantay?"
and.....
ps: to the leeches & scums of the earth reading this post, I know you're now too eager to report to your boss & eventually to Makati... mind you before you do, many will suffer! Snitch!
it was a diversionary tactic for the scums. I know there'd be PAL management pilots reading this posts & will be reporting to JA, JH or to Makati about this.
Are you trying to be funny or you are spying here for your boss?
and those lines are very discouraging.....
dont know if it is true or not?
but:
i know that everyone living on the earth specially human beings,
HAVE A FREEDOM TO CHOOSE.
we live to choose our own path, we have a freedom and democracy.
everyone of us.. has a own mind, body, and soul to do everything.
Sirs:
Our country has so many problems. including the the downgrade of FAA.
and i'm one of many persons trying to help the country regains it's category.
i know that many pilots and aircraft maintenance will be needed right now.
but please, we must help each other to resolve this problem.
lucky enough that very few students related in aviation knows this forums site.
if this kind of topic will continue, there is a very big NEGATIVE IMPACT. specially to those aviation-related students reads the infos.
it can be put on school papers, or others wil be forced to change their course because of this info..and aviation industry will have a great loss because of this kind of issue.
Sirs...
as one of many students right now, i'm hoping that this problem will be resolved to encourage all people to enter this kind of profession,
to became successful and bloom this industry....
thanks and happy flying
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Kurimaw,
Read this Carefully, Its a very friendly Advised.
Stay away from PPrune and GO pursue your Dreams. It is not the Issues around you that will stop you from being Successful, but YOURSELF.
Nobody has the answers for All your Questions, believed me, not even your DAD can measure your abilities. Test and gauge yourself if you can do the task and then GO on, which ever way you want.
PPrune can never give you the most satisfying answer you need, neither will it show the way to your destiny. Its your choice, and I hope you will understand.
Goodluck!
C1052
Read this Carefully, Its a very friendly Advised.
Stay away from PPrune and GO pursue your Dreams. It is not the Issues around you that will stop you from being Successful, but YOURSELF.
Nobody has the answers for All your Questions, believed me, not even your DAD can measure your abilities. Test and gauge yourself if you can do the task and then GO on, which ever way you want.
PPrune can never give you the most satisfying answer you need, neither will it show the way to your destiny. Its your choice, and I hope you will understand.
Goodluck!
C1052