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Old 16th Jan 2008, 03:49
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PAL? Higher quality?

Does this mean that PAL is the top 1 airline in Philippines?
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Thumbs down more bs

grandstanding & fingerpointing will not solve the problem. this solon is all bs. one reason why the phils is 3rd world.

RP hopes for FAA rating upgrade by yearend--solon


By Joel Guinto
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First Posted 17:25:00 01/16/2008


MANILA, Philippines -- The government is hoping the United States Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) will upgrade its rating on the Philippines by the end of the year with reforms set to be implemented in record time, the chairman of the House Committee on transportation said Wednesday.
At the same time, Representative Monico Puentevella lamented how the Air Transportation Office (ATO) did not recognize the "seriousness of the problem" and failed to inform him of the FAA's requirements.
Puentevella said "heads rolled" at the ATO because of the oversight, even before the FAA downgraded its rating on Philippine airports from Category 2 to Category 1. The downgrade was due to the failure of the country's air terminals to meet certain security requirements.
The lawmaker said that in just three weeks, the House of Representatives passed on third reading a bill that would pave the way for the creation of the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) in place of the ATO. Unlike the ATO, the new body will have fiscal autonomy to enable it to generate more income.
Senator Juan Ponce Enrile said the Senate passed the House bill, also on third reading, before Congress went on Christmas break last December.
Puentevella told reporters in Malacañang that the bill could be signed by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo into law by February.
"As soon as the law is passed, hopefully by February -- it has been awaited by the FAA -- we will give fiscal autonomy to the new authority. They will upgrade their facilities. We will see the strengthening of flying schools. We will upgrade high-tech equipment in 85 national airports [and] lighting facilities, and stop the exodus of pilots and personnel," he said.
"Passing a bill in three weeks can be [entered into] in 'Ripley’s Believe It or Not.' This rarely happens. Lawmakers recognize the urgency [of passing the bill creating the CAA]," he said.
The FAA has designated a representative to check on the implementation of the new law in the Philippines, Puentevella said.
"As long as we get elevated to category 1 before Christmas…when all of this is in place, I think we'll be alright in the long run," he said.
Puentevella acknowledged that unless the FAA upgrades its rating on the country to Category 1, local airlines could not push through with their plans to expand routes in the US.
"We have to improve our systems. Our carriers will be affected temporarily. That's why we have to do a lot of homework," he said.
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 14:17
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ATO mistakes, and 4yrs to 2yrs?

Sirs....


this week...i've seen a lot of PAL aircraft parked in Balagbag hangar..
A340, A330, A320, 747-400.


and one A330 of PAL having a D-check right now.


don't know if those aircraft have been checked because of the FAA downgrade or just a co-incidence.


if i'm not mistaken.....


last year....before the end of 07. i've watched imbestigador, and one of the topic..the airport facilities in the philippines.


ATO admits their are not following the FAA regulation.

they said that RPLL can accommodate 30 aircraft. but they are doing 60..
(NAIA,NAIA2,DOMESTIC.) and what more if the NAIA3 will be opened.
the runway have enough length. but the facilities are already crowded.


other airports already closed due to lack of facilities and other airports has poor equipments.
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 22:53
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ATO admits their are not following the FAA regulation.
Yes, the ATO is right with what they said, they dont need to follow the FAA regulations because ATO creates their own regulations though they were copied from the FAA. And in fact ATO is not following its own regulations The downgrade should have been given since last year 2007 but the FAA waited for the action plans of the ATO, the ATO submits the action plans late December 2007 but they were not very convincing to the FAA.

Creating a PCAA will just create another vehicle for CORRUPTION. With the people running the show at the ATO, I doubt if they will regain Cat 1 status in a year
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 23:41
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kurimaw: so do you have news about the a340 rwy 06 overrun last 13 jan 08 from inside?
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more bs from puetevella

more bs!!! he calls his incompetence blessing in disguise!! he was part of the commitee who met the faa officials yet he is washing his hands.
huge embarassment is the proper term.


Palace under fire over airports downgrade


MANILA, Philippines -- Senators and travel agencies were up in arms Wednesday over the Arroyo administration’s failure to address safety concerns in the country’s airports that led to a critical ratings downgrade from the US Federal Aviation Authority (FAA).
Sen. Joker Arroyo said Malacañang should have placed its money where its mouth was by investing more to improve airport facilities, noting that only a measly P577 million or $12.5 million had been allocated for navigational and safety equipment.
He said that both the Air Transportation Office (ATO) and the Department of Transportation and Communications had known as early as October that the country would be downgraded but had done nothing.
“They stampeded Congress to pass the Civil Aviation Authority Act with practically no debate as they warned us about the downgrade. Still, FAA downgraded us. That is the picture, that is the sad result,” said Arroyo.
Senators have warned about the ill timing of the downgrade especially with the national flag carrier just emerging out of a financial rehabilitation and its competitor scheduled to go the equities market to raise new capital for expansion.
Sen. Manuel Roxas II filed a resolution calling for an inquiry in aid of legislation to make sure that “corrective measures are put in place to improve the state of our national and domestic airports.”
“In fact during the debates before we went on recess, we were told that if we pass this bill, there would no longer be downgrades,” Roxas said.
“Either we were being fooled by the executive branch or they really don’t know the situation,” Roxas told reporters.
The Senate passed the law creating the CAA as the overall agency in charge of civil aviation safety shortly before it went on recess last December.
Roxas, chair of the Senate committee on trade and commerce, said that aviation officials then had made no mention of the FAA concerns.
It turned out, said Roxas, that the ATO had received the FAA advisory in July last year urging the ATO to take steps to improve the quality of airports nationwide.
‘Huge embarrassment’
Roxas vowed to find out which agencies “dropped the ball,” saying the downgrade was a “huge embarrassment.”
He also pointed out that during the budget deliberations, not one aviation official asked for additional funding nor for amendments in the law to address the country’s aviation problems.
Roxas said the FAA downgrade had serious implications on the country’s travel, tourism and investments prospects not only from the United States but from most other countries as well.
The Philippine Travel Agencies Association also called for a Senate inquiry.
“Somebody must have taken it easy along the way, otherwise the situation would not have deteriorated like this. The government should address this and not only by trying to meet the standards now that it is too late. It should determine what went wrong and what changes have to be made,” PTAA president Jose C. Clemente III told the Philippine Daily Inquirer, parent company of INQUIRER.net.
Temporary setback
At a press conference, Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye and Rep. Monico Puentevella, chair of the House committee on transportation, said that the law creating the CAA could be enacted by next month after it is approved by the bicameral committee.
Puentevella said the approval of the bill by Congress, and its signing into law by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, would win back for the local civil aviation the Category 1 rating that was downgraded by FAA to Category 2. (are you sure?!)
But the system and other security upgrade of 84 ATO-supervised national airports in the country can take sometime, they said. There are also three international airports -- Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA), Mactan and Diosdado Macapagal -- with their own management authority.
Puentevella, a member of the panel that negotiated with FAA officials who visited the Philippines last December, said the Category 2 downgrade was just a “temporary setback” that would not affect the economy and existing operations of Philippine carriers.
“Hopefully, before yearend we would be elevated back to Category 1 ... Hopefully, before Christmas (2008),” he said.
He acknowledged that the downgrade would prohibit Philippine carriers from expanding operations in the US.
No effect on passengers
Puentevella also said that the US move had no effect on Philippine airline passengers entering the United States, ruling out any additional immigration and security checks to be imposed on Filipinos.
With the Category 2 rating along with countries such as Bangladesh, Ivory Coast, Ghana and Indonesia, Philippine carriers can continue flying to the United States but only “under heightened FAA surveillance,” said a US Embassy statement.
The embassy also advised US citizens flying to and from the Philippines to use carriers from countries that meet international aviation standards.
Blessing in disguise
Puentevella said that the passage of the law would give the new CAA fiscal autonomy to use the ATO’s income of some P3 billion a year and upgrade facilities.
He said the downgrade was a “blessing in disguise” because the country could have an opportunity to improve the airports’ safety and maintenance systems. (ang galing mo congressman)
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 03:54
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please answer this post

Can I ask about a perfect landing?
When you land in which part of the runway do
the landing gears touch the ground?
Is it the first 5% of the runway or at the middle of the runway.. . . . . .
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 07:01
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perfect landing?

hmmmm.. a perfect landing is when you get you aircraft safely on the ground and all aboard are SAFE..as well as your aircraft.

ideally you want to touchdown before the 1/3 marker..thats where the two huge solid painted white lines after the threshold.

..you could have a land long instructions or a short approach approved for that particular runway as well..

if you landed and all your pax are safe..then you had a perfect landing!!!!
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 08:23
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Can I ask about a perfect landing?
Perfect Landing - Passengers !!!

Baaad Landing - Passengers @#$*!!!
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Old 18th Jan 2008, 23:42
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747 derated TO, A340 overshot

Sirs...


should i derated the TO all the times, or in just certain temperature only?




@kapalmuks.....


negative...i didn't hear a info about the A340 overshot inside LTP...

but....

one A340 of pal...F-OHPJ. have been servicing right now in A.O5
don't know if this aircraft been preparing for D check or doing C check.




thanks and happy flying
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A/THR again

Sirs:


A/THR in 777..

any idea about the FADEC of 777?

why this A/THR issue occur again?? this time, a Boeing Aircraft.


A/THR --no response before 200FT
A/THR in manual mode---no response.
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Old 19th Jan 2008, 03:19
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FADEC

Not likely this computer is quad redundant and too many back ups. Did he not call Mayday? Need to see more details. Also LT is so good he can cover up another overrun but not the US downgrade as his money does not buy people in the US
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Fadec 777/ Naia 3

Sir:


The news that i've watched on CNN..
about the british airways undershot.
the F/O was the PIC when the incident happend.
the captain said.



and...


NAIA3 will be opened on May 2008.


the volume of traffic in RPLL was congested already.
what if NAIA3 will be opened...


goodluck to them.
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Old 19th Jan 2008, 07:44
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another only in the philippines

the story gets funnier by the day. sinto-sinto (lunatic) na yata ito usec..

Fired ATO chief still there as No. 2


By Tarra Quismundo
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MANILA, Philippines--THERE was nothing in the way Daniel Dimagiba smiled that would suggest he had just been fired. And his desk nameplate still bore a taped computer printout declaring his title as "Assistant Secretary."
As far as Dimagiba is concerned, despite his sacking as officer in charge of the Air Transportation Office, he is still ATO executive director, the second top man who will take on the chief's role in his absence.
As executive director, he also acts as the ATO chief's deputy, empowered to make decisions, sign papers and even lead safety oversight operations.
"If the secretary is busy in the department, he might ask me to take over... depends on our arrangement," Dimagiba told the Inquirer in an interview Friday which he clocked to last no more than five minutes.
Ms Arroyo relieved Dimagiba as acting aviation chief on Thursday in light of the ATO's failure to comply with international air safety standards.
Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza was ordered to temporarily take control of the ATO.
Dimagiba said in the interview that he even might be designated concurrently as chief of ATO's safety division, the office that is supposed to take care of pilot and aircraft licensing and certification and airworthiness inspections--an area where, precisely, the FAA had rated the ATO to be internationally unacceptable.
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another news same funny story

i hope the FAA will find this funny. or the Phils will be downgraded to Cat3. FAA might invent this category exclusively for the Phils.


Nothing lost for fired ATO acting chief


By Tarra Quismundo
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MANILA, Philippines -- The firing of the Air Transportation Office's acting chief seems no different from a rank downgrade as the official will retain his post as executive director, the second top man who will take on the chief's role in his absence.
Nothing has been lost for fired ATO acting chief Daniel Dimagiba, who retains his post as the ATO chief's deputy and is still empowered to make decisions, sign papers and lead safety oversight operations.
Malacañang relieved him as acting aviation chief on Thursday in light of the ATO's failure to comply with international air safety standards, prompting the United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to downgrade the country's aviation safety rating to Category 2.
Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza was ordered to assume ATO's top post and was given three months to solve the aviation safety mess which prompted the US Embassy to caution its citizens against flying via Philippine-licensed carriers.
"If the secretary is busy in the department, he might ask me to take over ... depends on our arrangement," Dimagiba told the Philippine Daily Inquirer in an interview, which he strictly clocked for five minutes.
Dimagiba even bared he might be tasked as concurrent chief of the ATO's safety division, the office supposed to take care of pilot and aircraft licensing, certification and airworthiness inspections, procedure and personnel, exactly what the FAA rated poor and internationally unacceptable.
The official was acting chief of the said division during FAA's safety audit, which began sometime June last year.
"That's where the problem is. That's what I handled earlier... You can't put somebody new in that division because that's the hardest ... That's where the three crucial regulations are: licensing, operations and air worthiness," Dimagiba said.
Dimagiba busily went about the day's affairs still at the ATO chief's office Friday, his desk nameplate still bearing a taped computer printout that declared his position: "acting assistant secretary."
He said he has yet to receive a written order from his superiors directing his relief, but added he has been verbally told that he would no longer serve the post he took on temporarily last year.
Dimagiba, who headed the Philippine side in talks with FAA inspectors in November and signed the meeting's records, was appointed acting aviation chief toward the end of last year when then ATO chief Nilo Jatico resigned over allegations of illegal funds disbursement.
As the ATO chief's assistant, he could be directed to take on tasks such as "signing, decision-making or whatever ... it depends."
"The role of the executive director is to assist the assistant secretary (ATO chief). That's really [the job description] even before... I will give him feedback and support him," said a smiling Dimagiba, his face far from that of a man who has just been fired.
"I will still be here at ATO. I am an organic employee," said the career official, who said he has been with the office for 50 years.
He agreed when asked whether he will remain hands on in ATO's efforts to rectify problems the FAA found during its safety audit last year.
"We are already doing measures for compliance with what the FAA found, like the revision of manuals, technical documentation, certification processing and the computerization of license records and pilots," Dimagiba said.
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headline

i just find one of the newspaper headlines really funny:

"Dimagiba, sinibak"

he's not unbreakable it seems
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thread still relevant?

i'm puzzled as to why people keep on posting in this thread when there's no more pal pilot exodus to speak of...

shouldn't you guys be opening another thread, instead?


peace!
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exodus not over

pack 1: exodus is not over as c1052 said. i tell you pilots are not happy with pal. it is not hard to understand why. all you have to do is keep in touch with the guys in pal listen to their stories.
another fact is those who choose to stay already tried it out outside but it didn't work for them bec of training, personal, medical or any other deficiency. they just say they got sad & went back to pal. you can even hear some guys saying that it is not good outside of pal.
too bad bec those who are successful outside are enjoying the fruits of success.
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To all you pilots wanting to move, if interested news flying around about Etihad coming to the far east in Feb including Manila and several other countries...keep a look out could be interesting
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Aircraft Registry?

Sirs...




little bit confused if those aircraft of PAL are leased, mortage.
and it's registry.


Can i ask some questions about the aircraft registration of PAL,
and PAL have a OWNED wide body aircraft?

Recently, one of the A340 of PAL has a original registry of F-OHPJ.
when i go outside the hangar during my break,
i've seen the tail section of A340, has a new registry was painted in A.O 5, and the new registry was, RP-C3430


Can i ask if these 2 aircraft,
RP-C8168 (Boeing 747-4F6) and RP-C3430 (A340-300X)
are PAL's OWNED aircraft?


what aircraft will be surrendered if those B777-300ER has already delivered...?


and...

what are the license of the Pinoy Pilots who flies the aircraft that has a registry of F and N ?


JAA? FAA, or ICAO?



thanks and happy flying?
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