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You got it wrong
There was no Captain under Training on board in the TAC flight. It was never an S/O to Capt promotion....the guy was not lucky
irregardless whether the FO did the landing or not, the issue was they stepped over the limit. I can only speculate that the Main gear touched almost abeam the 1st taxiway going to the ramp, after a long flare when landing on 18.
Remember the BACOLOD flt.-B737 year 2004? it did a high approach, with extra speed and came for the landing. It did not come out from the RWY, but tires were squared and deplated eventually. Bacolod is about 1800m+ long.
How about the 320-Bacolod late 90's?
or, the BAC1-11 MNL flt that overshot the RWY years years back?
They all have one thing in common........
irregardless whether the FO did the landing or not, the issue was they stepped over the limit. I can only speculate that the Main gear touched almost abeam the 1st taxiway going to the ramp, after a long flare when landing on 18.
Remember the BACOLOD flt.-B737 year 2004? it did a high approach, with extra speed and came for the landing. It did not come out from the RWY, but tires were squared and deplated eventually. Bacolod is about 1800m+ long.
How about the 320-Bacolod late 90's?
or, the BAC1-11 MNL flt that overshot the RWY years years back?
They all have one thing in common........
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But, isn't the A320 Bacolod flight a computer malfunction ?
Just going off-tangent from the subject for a minute, I saw that in PAL's website, they are still offering courses on the B737 -3/400s. What's the story on this, weren't they phasing out the Boeings ?
D6
But, isn't the A320 Bacolod flight a computer malfunction ?
Just going off-tangent from the subject for a minute, I saw that in PAL's website, they are still offering courses on the B737 -3/400s. What's the story on this, weren't they phasing out the Boeings ?
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Hi D6,
Based on unofficial accounts, the Bacolod incident was not a case of computer malfunction. Got this info from a reliable source.
Sorry had to edit it...
expatula
Based on unofficial accounts, the Bacolod incident was not a case of computer malfunction. Got this info from a reliable source.
Sorry had to edit it...
expatula
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Hi Expatula,
I'm not doubting you but this URL below paints a different picture or should I say "story". Looks like a cover up then.
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/phl137/photo.shtml
So, what was the unofficial version, since this is just a rumour network.
D6
I must be bored or something......
I'm not doubting you but this URL below paints a different picture or should I say "story". Looks like a cover up then.
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/phl137/photo.shtml
So, what was the unofficial version, since this is just a rumour network.
D6
I must be bored or something......
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Hi D6,
You know very well how it goes with the Media in the RP....How do you think it will affect the Riding public, if they discovered that it was lack of System knowledge that brought the 320 at the end of the Runway?
Again, a Go-around could have worked well.
Jc
You know very well how it goes with the Media in the RP....How do you think it will affect the Riding public, if they discovered that it was lack of System knowledge that brought the 320 at the end of the Runway?
Again, a Go-around could have worked well.
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You know very well how it goes with the Media in the RP
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jc,
Forget the media, I don't believe them too much, but this report is from a website that gathers and publishes accident reports.
Are you trying to tell me then that whoever investigate's crashes over there would falsify an accident report? I know the Philippines is in a bad way in terms of aviation (like installing instruments that doesn't work) but this tops the list.
Who would cover this up ..... the airline or ATO ?
D6
Forget the media, I don't believe them too much, but this report is from a website that gathers and publishes accident reports.
Are you trying to tell me then that whoever investigate's crashes over there would falsify an accident report? I know the Philippines is in a bad way in terms of aviation (like installing instruments that doesn't work) but this tops the list.
Who would cover this up ..... the airline or ATO ?
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To simplify things, perhaps....to avoid prolonged explanation, that will take months before people without any idea about what we do comprehends.
It will be the fastest and simplest thing to say to end the story.
It will be the fastest and simplest thing to say to end the story.
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Hmmm...must have gotten my infos wrong...thanks for the correction JC.
I think the decision was made on a 50-50 basis. When the odds are like this, always better to be safe than sorry. You would even have higher odds of winning in Bacarrat...and that's in a casino!
D6, one thing that you have to realize is that when accidents like this happen (no fatalities), it is best, for the sake of national interest, that these things are kept as low key as possible. It actually helps that there are no fatalities because the media doesn't really find this enticing, and the story will actually end up as a small heading near column 4 on page 13 in a major newspaper.
The 320 in Bacolod got some media attention because of some ground fatalities, but that didn't last too long in the national limelight. The accidents of Air Philippines and Cebu Pacific lasted awhile with the media because of the tragic occurances (may they rest in peace), but it was all the way in Mindanao. But take the accident of Laoag Airlines...a number of fatalities...in Manila Bay and in early morning while there still an "Eye in the Sky" flying around...compounded by the nosing around of some prominent politicians in Laoag, and the setting up of a "Fact-finding Commision" (don't really know if this was done in accordance to ICAO Annex 13)...and what have you got...the perfect scenerio that the media can simply "vulture" on.
So in the end, when you weigh the pros and cons of an incident or accident, and whether it's a cover-up or not by the airline, the government, or individuals...the best thing is to always keep the Riding Public in mind. As JC has mentioned, what would the public think if they knew what really happens in accidents. Investigation of accidents is not to punish individuals who are at fault, but to determine the causes, find solutions to prevent future occurences, and maybe implement new and more stringent policies to ensure safety. Although the public has the right to know causes, I am quite sure (and this includes other countries as well) that goverments try as much as possible to keep the public in the dark. As the saying goes, "What you don't know won't hurt you".
Just my two cents.
I think the decision was made on a 50-50 basis. When the odds are like this, always better to be safe than sorry. You would even have higher odds of winning in Bacarrat...and that's in a casino!
D6, one thing that you have to realize is that when accidents like this happen (no fatalities), it is best, for the sake of national interest, that these things are kept as low key as possible. It actually helps that there are no fatalities because the media doesn't really find this enticing, and the story will actually end up as a small heading near column 4 on page 13 in a major newspaper.
The 320 in Bacolod got some media attention because of some ground fatalities, but that didn't last too long in the national limelight. The accidents of Air Philippines and Cebu Pacific lasted awhile with the media because of the tragic occurances (may they rest in peace), but it was all the way in Mindanao. But take the accident of Laoag Airlines...a number of fatalities...in Manila Bay and in early morning while there still an "Eye in the Sky" flying around...compounded by the nosing around of some prominent politicians in Laoag, and the setting up of a "Fact-finding Commision" (don't really know if this was done in accordance to ICAO Annex 13)...and what have you got...the perfect scenerio that the media can simply "vulture" on.
So in the end, when you weigh the pros and cons of an incident or accident, and whether it's a cover-up or not by the airline, the government, or individuals...the best thing is to always keep the Riding Public in mind. As JC has mentioned, what would the public think if they knew what really happens in accidents. Investigation of accidents is not to punish individuals who are at fault, but to determine the causes, find solutions to prevent future occurences, and maybe implement new and more stringent policies to ensure safety. Although the public has the right to know causes, I am quite sure (and this includes other countries as well) that goverments try as much as possible to keep the public in the dark. As the saying goes, "What you don't know won't hurt you".
Just my two cents.
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Thanks kabayans.......... maybe I have been away from Pinas too long already.
I have forgotten how our people think nowadays. No problems.... I'll shut up now.
Looks like I am about to hit a raw nerve. Sorry my friends....
D6
I have forgotten how our people think nowadays. No problems.... I'll shut up now.
Looks like I am about to hit a raw nerve. Sorry my friends....
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We have a number of opportunities available so if you have friends or colleagues who may be interested we would love to hear from them.
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