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I totally agree with ChinaBeached. I understand where he is coming from, having worked for 7 years climbing the ladder, looking to one day move to an airline that would be the rest of my career. I probably interviewed a month or two before he did at CX and am one of the last DESOs here. If I was put in the hold pool and then offered a cadet job after over a year, I too would have turned it down. It is an insult to what people who had the experience to get offered a job as a DESO have done to build there expertise and the sacrifises most had to make in doing so.
Let me tell you something that is a fact, this will be read by many CX pilots and any one of them can post if it is untrue.
Not one pilot working at CX thinks this new cadet deal is a good one for an experienced guy to move to Hong Kong for. All pilots at CX, including ex local cadets think this is not a good enough deal to attract real quality experience. Cathay will become a stepping stone airline for guys with little to no experience.
I am not surprised no one accepted the offer as guys with experience know what they are worth and it is a lot more than what is on offer.
Also agree that you appear to be an idiot.
I totally agree with ChinaBeached. I understand where he is coming from, having worked for 7 years climbing the ladder, looking to one day move to an airline that would be the rest of my career. I probably interviewed a month or two before he did at CX and am one of the last DESOs here. If I was put in the hold pool and then offered a cadet job after over a year, I too would have turned it down. It is an insult to what people who had the experience to get offered a job as a DESO have done to build there expertise and the sacrifises most had to make in doing so.
Let me tell you something that is a fact, this will be read by many CX pilots and any one of them can post if it is untrue.
Not one pilot working at CX thinks this new cadet deal is a good one for an experienced guy to move to Hong Kong for. All pilots at CX, including ex local cadets think this is not a good enough deal to attract real quality experience. Cathay will become a stepping stone airline for guys with little to no experience.
I am not surprised no one accepted the offer as guys with experience know what they are worth and it is a lot more than what is on offer.
Also agree that you appear to be an idiot.
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I don't entirely disagree with what ChinaBeached is trying to say, i disagree in the method in which he says it. There is simply no need for insults and comments of a derogatory nature. You two call yourselves professionals? Go on, continue with the mud slinging. It speaks volumes about you.
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With three different Second Officer training programs in place (61 weeks, 30 weeks, and 12 weeks), does anyone know which group Cathay is attracting the most of?
Wondering if there are many experienced, ATPL holders accepting the 12 week Transition Training. And if they are finding the required number of candidates they are looking for, or looking at improving the conditions once again?
Wondering if there are many experienced, ATPL holders accepting the 12 week Transition Training. And if they are finding the required number of candidates they are looking for, or looking at improving the conditions once again?
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Virtually 0 for the 12 week course. 60 week course plenty, but CX needs the 12 week guys as you can obviously hire 5 x as many guys over the same 60 week period.
It's not dire enough for CX to improve the package yet, they are looking at other ways to resolve the problem such as 3 crew instead of 4 for long haul, to do this though it looks like they will have to change the P2X rating to a P1X rating, another made up rating between CX and the HK CAD that is only recognized in HK.
It's not dire enough for CX to improve the package yet, they are looking at other ways to resolve the problem such as 3 crew instead of 4 for long haul, to do this though it looks like they will have to change the P2X rating to a P1X rating, another made up rating between CX and the HK CAD that is only recognized in HK.
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And for those not aware of what a P1X rating allows, the SO is permitted to sit in the control seat for t/o & landing but still not permitted to touch the controls. (Correct me if I'm wrong).
Guess which other bastion of high standards of airline safety does this: AIR INDIA. So CX is now stooping that low it seems.
Yet again CX will find a way to manipulate rules & procedures in definition or interpretation and even go so far as to create new ones to suit the chase for profits & managerial bonuses.
What need or desire would CX have to promote an SO to (J)FO when they can occupy that control seat for so much less in renumeration? If anything this would INCREASE time as SO on a P1or2X rating which as mentioned countless times is useless due being unrecognized outside the CX / CAD bed-pal relationship.
Guess which other bastion of high standards of airline safety does this: AIR INDIA. So CX is now stooping that low it seems.
Yet again CX will find a way to manipulate rules & procedures in definition or interpretation and even go so far as to create new ones to suit the chase for profits & managerial bonuses.
What need or desire would CX have to promote an SO to (J)FO when they can occupy that control seat for so much less in renumeration? If anything this would INCREASE time as SO on a P1or2X rating which as mentioned countless times is useless due being unrecognized outside the CX / CAD bed-pal relationship.
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Guys, don't blame the young ones(500hrs or less) for taking a job like this if it's offered to them... They are just doing the best they can and it's probably much better than most offers out there for them. How much is an LH cadet on the hook for? If they accept, then they accept the salary degradation for themselves as they have to pay back but are getting in much sooner then they otherwise would.
I am not supporting this, but you guys in your "association" need to stand up for your profession as well as the future pilots. Its your airline. Its just as much your job to stand up to your employer in this issue as it is the young ones. But then you have a rich history of sacrificing your young to ensure your better terms up the list don't you. You ask the young ones to sacrifice but not one of you is willing to put your own job on the line.
I am not supporting this, but you guys in your "association" need to stand up for your profession as well as the future pilots. Its your airline. Its just as much your job to stand up to your employer in this issue as it is the young ones. But then you have a rich history of sacrificing your young to ensure your better terms up the list don't you. You ask the young ones to sacrifice but not one of you is willing to put your own job on the line.
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Virtually 0 for the 12 week course. 60 week course plenty, but CX needs the 12 week guys as you can obviously hire 5 x as many guys over the same 60 week period.
I'm not too familiar with the old working conditions at Cathay, would someone be able to compare current and past conditions in terms of salary, hourly pay, housing, etc.
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3 Stones....
And what of the banker and doctor who in their late 30's/early 40's have taken the iCadet job? Why? It seems that "Because I used to always look in the air and think how great it would be to be an airline pilot. I have good money saved away, can work on the side as well as being a pilot for CX, so thanks to this iCadet program I can do it" (reference: http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...t-article.html)
So basically, to be a pilot for CX little things like EXPEREINCE or CREDENTIALS are not needed. Obviously. But! This passion and deep love for the "vocation" wasn't there until it was woken by the CPP? Doesn't add up does it?
Dont blame the "young ones"? I can see what you say, but it these guys' reasoning that is bought into question. (And we see what transpires when this reasoning is challenged).
They accept this degradation not only at their own expense but at the expense of others, those at CX and the industry in general. If it was at their own expense entirely then the dislike for the CPP may not be as strong as it is by so many. OK, shoot yourself in the foot, but don't bring everyone else down with you (which is precisely what a few on this forum are quite happy and proud to do). Do you not think this puts huge amounts of pressure on the pilots at CX existing on the former CoS? And what of LONG TERM effects to the profession itself, not just at CX. Again, zero experience, zero credentials (but for minimal flying school time and sim endorsement) are now required to occupy a seat in the cockpit of a widebody jet transport. And prior to being accepted the flying school or ground school isn't even required. All this is a good thing you think?
Been answered many, many times before in other threads and posts. It's not just the 6 years and risk of the bond payback, but the useless P2X rating, lack of PIC time, lack of total time, lack of hands on experience, financial ramifications of living in HK and money not saved....I personally think at least 10-12 years before being possibly qualified to be considered for your average LCC.
I couldn't agree with you more. John Warham in his book "The 49ers - The True Story" mentions this as well, ie at what stage is the AoA responsible for the CoS of furture pilots at CX? The AoA has proven time and time and time and time again to be little other than a toothless tiger, always behind the goalposts and rarely proactive at seeing the bleeding obvious. And even worse in that members constantly in-fight for position, rank, etc and those in position use it to only protect their own backsides and CoS: hence the reason why so many (non iCadet) SO's have tried to get voted onto the council so to give a voice to their plight of continued pressure to have their T & C's cut.
If these guys could sit out their time in GA or other and thus force CX to improve the contract they will come to a job that they have EARNED and as such be rewarded for it as a professional pilot should. The min requirements for SO used to be 1000 hrs TT. That's not a real hard slog! And yes, I've heard of a few getting an interview & being successful with that much experience. Everyone would benefit, except for the back pocket of CX and Swires breed of greedy management unable to line their own pockets off of naive kids or such bankers & doctors. And we would hate for that to happen?!
And what of the banker and doctor who in their late 30's/early 40's have taken the iCadet job? Why? It seems that "Because I used to always look in the air and think how great it would be to be an airline pilot. I have good money saved away, can work on the side as well as being a pilot for CX, so thanks to this iCadet program I can do it" (reference: http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...t-article.html)
Updated on Aug 18, 2010 Nelson Chang Way-man and Oscar Francis were members of two very different professions but they had one thing in common: a love of flying.It led the doctor and investment banker to quit their highly paid jobs and join Cathay Pacific Airways' cadet pilot scheme last year with an initial pay potential of about a third of their previous earnings.
Both said their love of flying overcame any financial concerns and the chance to make a living from it was a dream comes true.
Yet while they may be about to realise their dream, others who have been through the same scheme are far less happy. The reason: the terms and conditions for pilots have been changed.
Both said their love of flying overcame any financial concerns and the chance to make a living from it was a dream comes true.
Yet while they may be about to realise their dream, others who have been through the same scheme are far less happy. The reason: the terms and conditions for pilots have been changed.
Dont blame the "young ones"? I can see what you say, but it these guys' reasoning that is bought into question. (And we see what transpires when this reasoning is challenged).
If they accept, then they accept the salary degradation for themselves as they have to pay back but are getting in much sooner then they otherwise would.
How much is an LH cadet on the hook for?
I am not supporting this, but you guys in your "association" need to stand up for your profession as well as the future pilots. Its your airline. Its just as much your job to stand up to your employer in this issue as it is the young ones. But then you have a rich history of sacrificing your young to ensure your better terms up the list don't you. You ask the young ones to sacrifice but not one of you is willing to put your own job on the line.
If these guys could sit out their time in GA or other and thus force CX to improve the contract they will come to a job that they have EARNED and as such be rewarded for it as a professional pilot should. The min requirements for SO used to be 1000 hrs TT. That's not a real hard slog! And yes, I've heard of a few getting an interview & being successful with that much experience. Everyone would benefit, except for the back pocket of CX and Swires breed of greedy management unable to line their own pockets off of naive kids or such bankers & doctors. And we would hate for that to happen?!
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Its all well and fine for someone who has the hours and tickets but those of us unlucky enough to have between 60 and 100 grand in our pockets just for a start we havent got many options other than to say thank you very much to any operator who funds our training even if the conditions are crap compared to what they were but then again looking at the state of the world just having a job seems like it is the most important part of the contract if you cant see that then i afraid maybe its you who "doesn't get it"
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Just a quick correction:
Also, add a few full stops / periods into your grammar repertoire to make yourself sound remotely educated.
So, "looking at the state of the world...." as you see it? So you choose to be part of the sell-out for lower remuneration and pitifully low standards, lower safety standards, etc rather than stand up for something better in the industry? Part of the problem vs part of the solution, eh?
And in your eyes of course you're right. "Experience", "Knowledge", "Skill", "Ability", (let's add grammar, reading and writing standards?) are not part of your CV so of course none of us with these things "get it". So of course! CX "get you" because you are naive enough to go for it and defend yourself so vigorously. But you haven't passed any testing yet fella, so don't go back-slapping your self opinionated supreme self worth that lacks all backbone (least of experience in the industry, skill, knowledge....)
Each of your other wondrous posts reeks of the same immaturity, utter lack of grammatical skill and ignorance by the bucket load. Will CX interview me in Heathrow because you know they fly there....? And, filling out the application is all too difficult? Well of course! Seek a "RUMOUR" network for accurate and detailed answers!! GENIUS!! Heaven forbid you have the minuscule amount of insight to call CX themselves to seek a real and accurate and truthful answer!!
Yeah, you have what CX needs right now. Stupid, naive and ignorant.
There are plenty of jobs out there. Just a severe lack of:
a) wannabe pilots with the kahoonas to do the hard yards; and
b) airlines that wish to remunerate those with the skills, experience, etc, etc earned through "hard yards" and other.
(Typo fixed. Sorry to take away the sole source of means to defend hihi's sell out nature and needs to argue from - but thanks WakeUpJeff for steering me on the true and correct path of airline integrity).
"Its all well and fine for someone who has EARNED the hours and tickets"
So, "looking at the state of the world...." as you see it? So you choose to be part of the sell-out for lower remuneration and pitifully low standards, lower safety standards, etc rather than stand up for something better in the industry? Part of the problem vs part of the solution, eh?
And in your eyes of course you're right. "Experience", "Knowledge", "Skill", "Ability", (let's add grammar, reading and writing standards?) are not part of your CV so of course none of us with these things "get it". So of course! CX "get you" because you are naive enough to go for it and defend yourself so vigorously. But you haven't passed any testing yet fella, so don't go back-slapping your self opinionated supreme self worth that lacks all backbone (least of experience in the industry, skill, knowledge....)
Each of your other wondrous posts reeks of the same immaturity, utter lack of grammatical skill and ignorance by the bucket load. Will CX interview me in Heathrow because you know they fly there....? And, filling out the application is all too difficult? Well of course! Seek a "RUMOUR" network for accurate and detailed answers!! GENIUS!! Heaven forbid you have the minuscule amount of insight to call CX themselves to seek a real and accurate and truthful answer!!
Yeah, you have what CX needs right now. Stupid, naive and ignorant.
There are plenty of jobs out there. Just a severe lack of:
a) wannabe pilots with the kahoonas to do the hard yards; and
b) airlines that wish to remunerate those with the skills, experience, etc, etc earned through "hard yards" and other.
(Typo fixed. Sorry to take away the sole source of means to defend hihi's sell out nature and needs to argue from - but thanks WakeUpJeff for steering me on the true and correct path of airline integrity).
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It's 'remuneration' CB
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Idiot out of myself? Let's just review posts #88 and #89 to highlight what shear and utter stupidity can be defined as.....
Shows your immense abilities to defend your argument: hang your entire argumentative hat and sell-out nature on a typo.
So: "Are You Accepting Their Offer" or are the likes of most of these lazy, self absorbed and ignorant wannabes just jumping on any bandwagon to justify their own opinions? So many times in your other posts you ask the questions and then when get the answers you turn tact to try and dig elsewhere.
We've also gone over meanings of what questions are, accusations and insults..... You have yet to comprehend but only one fact you so proudly display as your profile: a SELL OUT.
hihi, you're a self proclaimed "sell out" where it's been proven time and time again of your complete inability to comprehend facts has been highlighted. So I'm not a quick learner, eh? Odd that the job I do and EARNED is the same one you are so desperate to do: so desperate that you are happy and willing to sell out potential colleagues, airline and industry because any other path to become a professional pilot is just too hard and too difficult to be "learnt". For a slow learner I seem to have been able to progress far, far, far further than you are capable of without needing to whore myself out.
Such omniscience from a rag trade worker who's knowledge of the airline industry is sourced from folding underwear and socks for a living.
I make some silly typos from time to time. Well done you for using that as an entire basis to defend your yellow and spineless nature.
What offer are you kids accepting since none has been offered you? We all know what you are willing to do to screw over the industry as a whole, but what has actually been offered?
Since you (hihi) are such a proud & self proclaimed sell-out, is it not more apt to change your username from hihi to whore-whore? Just asking.... And note this is a "question". A simple yes or no reply could suffice & perhaps a reason could help.
(PS: you may find some typos in this post... Have fun with them and I'm sure in scouring over every word to find them you can be fulfilled that your shear, utter and complete ignorant and selfish views of international airline ops can be defended).
Shows your immense abilities to defend your argument: hang your entire argumentative hat and sell-out nature on a typo.
So: "Are You Accepting Their Offer" or are the likes of most of these lazy, self absorbed and ignorant wannabes just jumping on any bandwagon to justify their own opinions? So many times in your other posts you ask the questions and then when get the answers you turn tact to try and dig elsewhere.
We've also gone over meanings of what questions are, accusations and insults..... You have yet to comprehend but only one fact you so proudly display as your profile: a SELL OUT.
hihi, you're a self proclaimed "sell out" where it's been proven time and time again of your complete inability to comprehend facts has been highlighted. So I'm not a quick learner, eh? Odd that the job I do and EARNED is the same one you are so desperate to do: so desperate that you are happy and willing to sell out potential colleagues, airline and industry because any other path to become a professional pilot is just too hard and too difficult to be "learnt". For a slow learner I seem to have been able to progress far, far, far further than you are capable of without needing to whore myself out.
Such omniscience from a rag trade worker who's knowledge of the airline industry is sourced from folding underwear and socks for a living.
I make some silly typos from time to time. Well done you for using that as an entire basis to defend your yellow and spineless nature.
What offer are you kids accepting since none has been offered you? We all know what you are willing to do to screw over the industry as a whole, but what has actually been offered?
Since you (hihi) are such a proud & self proclaimed sell-out, is it not more apt to change your username from hihi to whore-whore? Just asking.... And note this is a "question". A simple yes or no reply could suffice & perhaps a reason could help.
(PS: you may find some typos in this post... Have fun with them and I'm sure in scouring over every word to find them you can be fulfilled that your shear, utter and complete ignorant and selfish views of international airline ops can be defended).
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I'm not defending anything, i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in nitpicking somebody else's grammar, when your own isn't up to scratch. I find it amusing that you feel it is ok for you to make 'silly typos' but it isn't for anybody else. More amusing still is when you try to point out the pettiness of me pulling you up on your typos...
Comprehension? You throw that word around a lot but ironically it seems lost on you. Well done, and i look forward to your next essay.
Comprehension? You throw that word around a lot but ironically it seems lost on you. Well done, and i look forward to your next essay.
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hihi / haha / whorewhore/ hoho.....whatever.....
There is a vast difference between striking the n key in place of the m key as opposed to entire chapters of zero punctuated, "txt" dribble & incomprehensible crap. It's a solid indictment of calibre CX is attracting. Sort of like yourself.
And don't pretend you stand for something. You're a sell out, and proud of it. You will be for the rest of your life. Your best attribute "IF" (one huge "IF") you get onto CX will be the red nose that will go with the uniform you've disgraced.
There is a vast difference between striking the n key in place of the m key as opposed to entire chapters of zero punctuated, "txt" dribble & incomprehensible crap. It's a solid indictment of calibre CX is attracting. Sort of like yourself.
And don't pretend you stand for something. You're a sell out, and proud of it. You will be for the rest of your life. Your best attribute "IF" (one huge "IF") you get onto CX will be the red nose that will go with the uniform you've disgraced.
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just wanted to share a thought....
on a recent long ass flight flying over the middle of nowhere had a really good discussion with the other pilot about the different terms and conditions that the company has for us....we were on different contracts (basing, scale etc etc)
actually turned out to be a very good conversation with a fair amount of friendly banter....
then the conversation came to the topic of the current contract for our cadets (local or international....doesn't matter - no difference)
Now i dont claim to be a genius for having thought of this and i am sure somebody has posted this information before - but just a heads up for the wanna bes out there who are are thinking about Cathay...
there seems to be some people who are telling themselves that they are going to join because the conditions are getting better - they keep mentioning the new HK Pilots allowance as evidence of things improving for cadets...well, guess what? it actually saves the company money years down the road...the current scheme may be a welcoming change but what people are unaware of is that local pilots actually did get a housing allowance (FO and CAPT) and what they were getting on the old scheme is actually MORE than what this new bs scheme has on offer. this is precisely why none of the local pilots getting housing signed over to this new scheme (fair enough, why should they settle for less)?? and now when a cadet joins the company they are automcatically enrolled in the scheme - no choice.
sure great! you start to get a housing allowance sooner in your career but you will never ever be entitled to the old local pilots housing allowance (which is already a **** rip off compared to the expat package). and trust me, we did the math many times taking into account different scenarios and you WILL get significantly less during the course of your career at CX with the new scheme. and you will NEVER be allowed to switch nor will you be given a choice of which package you will get.
Also, for those of you who THINK you will suck it up in HK for a few years and then move to a base....the reality is, the company offers basing as it reduces the amount of expat housing they have to give out in HK....but with the i-cadet program none of you will be on expat housing in the first place!!
I am not old, nor am I bitter - I just wanted to share this information with the wanna be's because on the surface things might APPEAR to be improving when really it is just a PR spin off.
Hope this helps!
on a recent long ass flight flying over the middle of nowhere had a really good discussion with the other pilot about the different terms and conditions that the company has for us....we were on different contracts (basing, scale etc etc)
actually turned out to be a very good conversation with a fair amount of friendly banter....
then the conversation came to the topic of the current contract for our cadets (local or international....doesn't matter - no difference)
Now i dont claim to be a genius for having thought of this and i am sure somebody has posted this information before - but just a heads up for the wanna bes out there who are are thinking about Cathay...
there seems to be some people who are telling themselves that they are going to join because the conditions are getting better - they keep mentioning the new HK Pilots allowance as evidence of things improving for cadets...well, guess what? it actually saves the company money years down the road...the current scheme may be a welcoming change but what people are unaware of is that local pilots actually did get a housing allowance (FO and CAPT) and what they were getting on the old scheme is actually MORE than what this new bs scheme has on offer. this is precisely why none of the local pilots getting housing signed over to this new scheme (fair enough, why should they settle for less)?? and now when a cadet joins the company they are automcatically enrolled in the scheme - no choice.
sure great! you start to get a housing allowance sooner in your career but you will never ever be entitled to the old local pilots housing allowance (which is already a **** rip off compared to the expat package). and trust me, we did the math many times taking into account different scenarios and you WILL get significantly less during the course of your career at CX with the new scheme. and you will NEVER be allowed to switch nor will you be given a choice of which package you will get.
Also, for those of you who THINK you will suck it up in HK for a few years and then move to a base....the reality is, the company offers basing as it reduces the amount of expat housing they have to give out in HK....but with the i-cadet program none of you will be on expat housing in the first place!!
I am not old, nor am I bitter - I just wanted to share this information with the wanna be's because on the surface things might APPEAR to be improving when really it is just a PR spin off.
Hope this helps!
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just one more thing....I have a good friend who joined as an SO and has been an FO for a couple of years...he is thinking of different options for the future (including EK and a couple of US airlines)....
turns out that all his time as an SO was considered useless by all the other airlines he applied for....and this P2X bs means that his he STILL doesnt have an ATPL....
just something to think about
turns out that all his time as an SO was considered useless by all the other airlines he applied for....and this P2X bs means that his he STILL doesnt have an ATPL....
just something to think about
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Flapsupdown: As an experienced CX pilot please answer me these 2 things:
1) what do you or the industry (any industry) call one who feeds off of their colleagues' efforts to increase terms & conditions, all the while standing by & do nothing whilst others fight for them? (I believe the word begins with s & ends with b); and
2) what is the AOA doing about this? (From the sidelines - NOTHING!)
Well may the CX pilots see the bleeding obvious but it's another to actually do something about it.
Not less then 10 days after Contract Complience was avoided did CX announce the freighter deal with AHK... all at the expense of CX seniority & jobs. AOA & CX pilot body response? Pitiful & lame at best. Sorry, not true. This is becasuse NOTHING was done. To show pity or to be lame takes a miniscule of effort, or even perhaps action. Yeah, I read the AOA updates. Disgraceful in their ready-made response & "buggered if I know or care" mentality. Why fight against anything that may pressure "my" conds of service!!??!!
Yell & scream bloody murder in private conversation but we're yet to see a stand about this crap. Yet again CX / Swire management have made suckers out of the pilot group.
Once upon a time CX was the pinnacle of aspiration. Now it's fast becoming (has become) a laughing stock of mediocrity racing to beat the other LCC using "safety " & "standards" as nothing more than a sales pitch.
Nowadays we see a CX crew at the various international airports & comment at their pitiful weakness & self preservation mentality.
Bitter? You damn bet! All I hear from CX pilots is their disgust at the iCadet scheme yet the overwhelming response is ignorant despair because it doesn't affect their own CoS. Welcome to the future that each & every pacifist CX pilot has endorsed.
1) what do you or the industry (any industry) call one who feeds off of their colleagues' efforts to increase terms & conditions, all the while standing by & do nothing whilst others fight for them? (I believe the word begins with s & ends with b); and
2) what is the AOA doing about this? (From the sidelines - NOTHING!)
Well may the CX pilots see the bleeding obvious but it's another to actually do something about it.
Not less then 10 days after Contract Complience was avoided did CX announce the freighter deal with AHK... all at the expense of CX seniority & jobs. AOA & CX pilot body response? Pitiful & lame at best. Sorry, not true. This is becasuse NOTHING was done. To show pity or to be lame takes a miniscule of effort, or even perhaps action. Yeah, I read the AOA updates. Disgraceful in their ready-made response & "buggered if I know or care" mentality. Why fight against anything that may pressure "my" conds of service!!??!!
Yell & scream bloody murder in private conversation but we're yet to see a stand about this crap. Yet again CX / Swire management have made suckers out of the pilot group.
Once upon a time CX was the pinnacle of aspiration. Now it's fast becoming (has become) a laughing stock of mediocrity racing to beat the other LCC using "safety " & "standards" as nothing more than a sales pitch.
Nowadays we see a CX crew at the various international airports & comment at their pitiful weakness & self preservation mentality.
Bitter? You damn bet! All I hear from CX pilots is their disgust at the iCadet scheme yet the overwhelming response is ignorant despair because it doesn't affect their own CoS. Welcome to the future that each & every pacifist CX pilot has endorsed.
Last edited by ChinaBeached; 22nd Jul 2011 at 18:47.