Survey: Are you accepting their offer?
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(Must admit to waking & reading the typos / errors & having a laugh...You two seem to be willing to argue the small & trivial points if only for the other issues you could defend).
So, "Are you accepting offer?"
No. To do so would mean to sell out and compromise all the moral integrity that people like John Warham and the other 49ers defended against, to offer but one example relevant to CX. To do so would leave me as little other than a potential scab in the hope that through the sacrifice of others I will eventually benefit. No, because integrity and self worth is not for sale.
I wasn't raised to believe that opportunities made apparent via selling out my colleagues and industry as a whole make me a better person.
VFE and hihi, neither of you earned an interview. You are just the naive and ignorant puppets of a management existing on your yellow stomach and rubbery backbone.
VFE moans about capitalism yet begs to contribute to the shear greed and race to the bottom. Nothing but cheap mutton on a cheap production line.
Hihi, no need to spare a thought for me IF you get into CX. I've been in the RHS of a widebody for a while now earning a pay cheque that you will not see for another 20+ years "IF" you do get through the interview then training.
The likes of the two of you are already viewed as pariahs at CX, and the wider airline industry.
So, "Are you accepting offer?"
No. To do so would mean to sell out and compromise all the moral integrity that people like John Warham and the other 49ers defended against, to offer but one example relevant to CX. To do so would leave me as little other than a potential scab in the hope that through the sacrifice of others I will eventually benefit. No, because integrity and self worth is not for sale.
I wasn't raised to believe that opportunities made apparent via selling out my colleagues and industry as a whole make me a better person.
VFE and hihi, neither of you earned an interview. You are just the naive and ignorant puppets of a management existing on your yellow stomach and rubbery backbone.
VFE moans about capitalism yet begs to contribute to the shear greed and race to the bottom. Nothing but cheap mutton on a cheap production line.
Hihi, no need to spare a thought for me IF you get into CX. I've been in the RHS of a widebody for a while now earning a pay cheque that you will not see for another 20+ years "IF" you do get through the interview then training.
The likes of the two of you are already viewed as pariahs at CX, and the wider airline industry.
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So you have a job on a wide body jet already, yet you still feel the need to come online and abuse Cathay Pacific and those interested in the cadet program? What on earth is wrong with you? Are you really that bitter and hateful?
Buddy, this is not a healthy use of your free time. Find yourself a woman or a hobby!
As for whether or not i have 'earned' an interview - fortunately that isn't for you to decide, my friend. I'll be sure to let you know how things progress though
Buddy, this is not a healthy use of your free time. Find yourself a woman or a hobby!
As for whether or not i have 'earned' an interview - fortunately that isn't for you to decide, my friend. I'll be sure to let you know how things progress though
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Ahhh, the joys of instructing! Although, even as a C-Cat i started off on more than that. $15 per hour for a Japanese speaking B-Cat in NZ? Good luck! No wonder these cadet schemes are so enticing.
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Not the same
That job requires the mentioned "CREDENTIALS" & "EXPERIENCE", is protected under strict NZ Labour Laws & takes determination, backbone & professional fortitude.
The (CX) job that the likes of the above need has none of these attributes or requirements.
Sad & a shame that GA (instructing) jobs are deemed harder than widebody airline jobs, especially when considering how CX used to be viewed & standards required.
The (CX) job that the likes of the above need has none of these attributes or requirements.
Sad & a shame that GA (instructing) jobs are deemed harder than widebody airline jobs, especially when considering how CX used to be viewed & standards required.
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Yeah, i am totally a sellout. I have my interview with Cathay coming up shortly. Don't worry, i'll spare you a thought whilst i munch on my sandwiches.
Tut tut old chap
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hihi
without people like chinabeach etc, on here providing advice from their experience, the forum would be just full of wannabes like urself.
maybe u should get a hobby instead of thinking about cx all the time...maybe go out and get laid..
without people like chinabeach etc, on here providing advice from their experience, the forum would be just full of wannabes like urself.
maybe u should get a hobby instead of thinking about cx all the time...maybe go out and get laid..
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Hihi: find but one post of mine "abusing Cathay Pacific" as you accuse. I have mentioned at length the ruthless, greedy & immoral management tactics used to drive up share price & maximise their personal financial bonuses. Nowhere have I "abused Cathay Pacific".
I read & research facts: CX DFO & GMA updates, AOA updates, friends & colleagues at CX as SO, FO, & Capt, as well as Base Capts, personal successful CX interview experience, widebody jet ops & thousands of hours from lowly GA, regional/domestic ops as Capt & FO to international airlines, university degree & recently "The 49ers" book....etc, etc. And you? Wanna continue this pissing contest?
Those regarding the iCadet program? Abuse? No, but I'll fight fire with fire & call out pathetics like you willfully, admittely & openly confessing to selling out for greedy self gain at the expense of all I & others have worked so damn hard for. I've swapped many PM's with at least 6 or 8 people discussing our differing views. Some have their reasons & we can agree to disagree, but yours is despicable at best.
Find myself a woman? I did many years ago. An amazing, beautiful woman who has supported my career through thick & thin, high of highs & the lowest of lows, times of employment & not. When she saw the CX offer they presented me (us) she was so disgusted that it was her who told me to not even dare lower myself to such an insult: especially in light of the sacrifices we've made. Things a sell out like you cannot fathom.
And, I can afford to take her to dinner, buy her flowers, support a mortgage & plan for a future family. I earned that privilege.
Don't call me friend. We are far, very far from that. My friends have integrity.
I read & research facts: CX DFO & GMA updates, AOA updates, friends & colleagues at CX as SO, FO, & Capt, as well as Base Capts, personal successful CX interview experience, widebody jet ops & thousands of hours from lowly GA, regional/domestic ops as Capt & FO to international airlines, university degree & recently "The 49ers" book....etc, etc. And you? Wanna continue this pissing contest?
Those regarding the iCadet program? Abuse? No, but I'll fight fire with fire & call out pathetics like you willfully, admittely & openly confessing to selling out for greedy self gain at the expense of all I & others have worked so damn hard for. I've swapped many PM's with at least 6 or 8 people discussing our differing views. Some have their reasons & we can agree to disagree, but yours is despicable at best.
Find myself a woman? I did many years ago. An amazing, beautiful woman who has supported my career through thick & thin, high of highs & the lowest of lows, times of employment & not. When she saw the CX offer they presented me (us) she was so disgusted that it was her who told me to not even dare lower myself to such an insult: especially in light of the sacrifices we've made. Things a sell out like you cannot fathom.
And, I can afford to take her to dinner, buy her flowers, support a mortgage & plan for a future family. I earned that privilege.
Don't call me friend. We are far, very far from that. My friends have integrity.
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lmao, such a melodramatist! You missed your true calling, ChinaBeached - you should have been a soap opera star!
Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me. Why did Cathay reject you? Did you try preaching honesty and integrity to them? Did you talk about 'back bone' and 'sell outs'?
Man up, grab a tissue, deal with it. Whether or not you care to accept it, cadet programs such as Cathay's are here to stay. Your apparent disdain for them, and the need that you feel to share your accomplishments with randoms on the internet, suggests arrogance. I can't imagine a worse trait on the flight deck. Perhaps thats why Cathay wasn't interested!
It is truly is a shame that you have to resort to all this name calling, China, buddy, pal, friend, hombre. I had such high hopes for our friendship!
Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me. Why did Cathay reject you? Did you try preaching honesty and integrity to them? Did you talk about 'back bone' and 'sell outs'?
Man up, grab a tissue, deal with it. Whether or not you care to accept it, cadet programs such as Cathay's are here to stay. Your apparent disdain for them, and the need that you feel to share your accomplishments with randoms on the internet, suggests arrogance. I can't imagine a worse trait on the flight deck. Perhaps thats why Cathay wasn't interested!
It is truly is a shame that you have to resort to all this name calling, China, buddy, pal, friend, hombre. I had such high hopes for our friendship!
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I don't think [I]most[I]people have problem with cadet programs for inexperienced pilots. Its when the cadet program replaces direct entry schemes is where I have a problem. CX needs future second officers? Get them from the cadet program. CX needs experienced second officers now? Hire them directly! Don't ask 6000hr pilot to come interview and then call them a cadet! Absurd!! Sorry, former DESO poolie.
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CX rejected me, you say? Once again it shows your ignorance & idiocy. Read & comprehend before shooting your mouth off. All been said many times before but typing slowly for you..... I interviewed for CX & passed at a far higher standard that the pitiful likes of you will be or have been. I was put on hold due the GFC then offered an iCadet job TWICE: Nov '10 & Feb '11.
"Share my accomplishments"? You and fellow sell out VFE ask me questions to challenge why I write what I do, from where or how I form my opinions & you make your pathetic empty accusations toward me. But when you get the answers YOU ask for you find another cesspit to crawl out of to write "sour grapes", "get a girl, or "arrogant".
And you've formed that opinion based on what? Old mens underwear folding or sock management at the retail store you work at? What experience (but "imagination" as you say) can the likes of you possibility know of what it takes to be a member of a multi crew flightdeck?? So, what is a good trait? Zero to little experience? A "yes man" due no real experience to draw on? A sell out bending over to receive whatever management says? Enlighten us from your rag trade wisdom of multi crew flightdeck ops! The likes of Barbara Kanki & Robert Helmreich must be knocking down your door (in between Folding 101 classes I trust)!
So, "Are You Accepting Their Offer" is the topic of this thread. What are you doing here? You've been offered NOTHING but perhaps an interview!!
"Name calling"? Just calling a spade a spade, like the many others on the FH Forum:
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...deo-share.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...ck-cathay.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...-officers.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...adetships.html
Sell out.
"Share my accomplishments"? You and fellow sell out VFE ask me questions to challenge why I write what I do, from where or how I form my opinions & you make your pathetic empty accusations toward me. But when you get the answers YOU ask for you find another cesspit to crawl out of to write "sour grapes", "get a girl, or "arrogant".
I can't imagine a worse trait on the flight deck.
So, "Are You Accepting Their Offer" is the topic of this thread. What are you doing here? You've been offered NOTHING but perhaps an interview!!
"Name calling"? Just calling a spade a spade, like the many others on the FH Forum:
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...deo-share.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...ck-cathay.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...-officers.html
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...adetships.html
Sell out.
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hihi & VFE
Do you two have a problem in comprehension? ChinaBeached has already said numerous times he knocked CX back after passing the interview process and being offered a position. I can confirm he and well over 100 other successful applicants have rejected CX’s offer. You two are very good at playing the man. I suggest though you concentrate on the debate.
Do you two have a problem in comprehension? ChinaBeached has already said numerous times he knocked CX back after passing the interview process and being offered a position. I can confirm he and well over 100 other successful applicants have rejected CX’s offer. You two are very good at playing the man. I suggest though you concentrate on the debate.
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All been said many times before but typing slowly for you..... I interviewed for CX & passed at a far higher standard that the pitiful likes of you will be or have been. I was put on hold due the GFC then offered an iCadet job TWICE: Nov '10 & Feb '11.
"Share my accomplishments"? You and fellow sell out VFE ask me questions to challenge why I write what I do, from where or how I form my opinions & you make your pathetic empty accusations toward me. But when you get the answers YOU ask for you find another cesspit to crawl out of to write "sour grapes", "get a girl, or "arrogant".
Lets assume you are just _really_ concerned about your worth as perceived by your current employer? If so, you aren't making a very good case for people to support your cause.
@ 404 Titan - this is no longer a debate, this is feeding the troll!
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Idiot.
Read post #74 where I clearly state & admit to the errors. My silly mistake, and openly, publicly admitted to. You call it arrogance, others may call it humility. Once again, a complete failure to comprehend, least of read all information before shooting your mouth off.
Where did I state I consider you beneath me? YOU have alone stated that. If that's your take on things, then so be it. Few will argue you. You'll find overwhelmingly few wishing to be considered on the level of an openly admitted sell out. You openly call yourself a sell out. I'm just agreeing with you.
Not once have you countered an argument but choose to "play the man" as 404 points out. Your defense is only ignorant attacks from a self announced & proud sell out. Other points you've made or raised have been answered but yet again your response are more personal attacks.
Feed the trolls? Now canabalism is your thing? As I've stated before in previous posts: a troll lives in slums beneath bridges existing off the scraps of others. Somehow the term is more apt for one selling out colleagues and an industry by accepting severely lower terms & conditions. And your reasoning? Because you openly claim to be a sell out, happily so. I doubt there is a trough large enough for you to gorge the dregs, leftovers & scraps of an industry you have such exceptionally little idea about.
My perceived worth from my present employer? What the hell has that got a damn thing to do with here? For the record, I'm happy but CX offered (past tense!!) a better long term career, until the likes of you ignorantly chased the dregs of a disgraceful offer from management whereby those with self worth & realisation of what are proper terms & conditions turned it down. You raised the point, there's your answer. Now try to comprehend it (not your best attribute so far).
You want an educated argument with me about my disagreement of the iCadet scheme, then do so. Read my previous posts here & other threads first to save rehashing the same points. Maybe too much to ask for. You have offered no facts or substantial credibility to a single letter you've written: only to proudly admit & call yourself a sell out and draw on personal attacks.
Read post #74 where I clearly state & admit to the errors. My silly mistake, and openly, publicly admitted to. You call it arrogance, others may call it humility. Once again, a complete failure to comprehend, least of read all information before shooting your mouth off.
Where did I state I consider you beneath me? YOU have alone stated that. If that's your take on things, then so be it. Few will argue you. You'll find overwhelmingly few wishing to be considered on the level of an openly admitted sell out. You openly call yourself a sell out. I'm just agreeing with you.
Not once have you countered an argument but choose to "play the man" as 404 points out. Your defense is only ignorant attacks from a self announced & proud sell out. Other points you've made or raised have been answered but yet again your response are more personal attacks.
Feed the trolls? Now canabalism is your thing? As I've stated before in previous posts: a troll lives in slums beneath bridges existing off the scraps of others. Somehow the term is more apt for one selling out colleagues and an industry by accepting severely lower terms & conditions. And your reasoning? Because you openly claim to be a sell out, happily so. I doubt there is a trough large enough for you to gorge the dregs, leftovers & scraps of an industry you have such exceptionally little idea about.
My perceived worth from my present employer? What the hell has that got a damn thing to do with here? For the record, I'm happy but CX offered (past tense!!) a better long term career, until the likes of you ignorantly chased the dregs of a disgraceful offer from management whereby those with self worth & realisation of what are proper terms & conditions turned it down. You raised the point, there's your answer. Now try to comprehend it (not your best attribute so far).
You want an educated argument with me about my disagreement of the iCadet scheme, then do so. Read my previous posts here & other threads first to save rehashing the same points. Maybe too much to ask for. You have offered no facts or substantial credibility to a single letter you've written: only to proudly admit & call yourself a sell out and draw on personal attacks.
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Read post #74 where I clearly state & admit to the errors. My silly mistake, and openly, publicly admitted to. You call it arrogance, others may call it humility. Once again, a complete failure to comprehend, least of read all information before shooting your mouth off.
Drawing on personal attacks? Yet you started your post with one. C'mon, are you serious? Do you know what a hypocrite is?
I'll not be looking for anything else you've written because you have absolutely no credibility. Your obvious bias and inability to make a point without resorting to name calling or derogatory comments has made sure of that.
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Again: IDIOT!
Read the timings of the posts! Once again FAILURE TO COMPREHEND
Your post #73 mocking my errors in my post #70 is dated 20 June 2011 at 21:25 Z.
My response (#74) is dated 21 June 2011 at 00:50 Z, and edited for typos or content on the same day at 05:36 Z. At 01:09 Z (I'll help you with this, it equals 19 minutes later) you could've attacked the pre-edited post of mine but didn't. I was careful not repeat the same typos or errors. I learn from mistakes.
So, are you that stupid? You (#73) mocked post #70 but now claim I edited post #74 in light of that ridicule or to hide something that had NOTHING to do with the other (#70 or #73)? Whereby in fact it admit & I laugh at my own errors? Are you that much of an utter imbecile? "Ninja editing"? No, idiot. It's there for all the world to see. Not quite stealth then is it?
See kid, aviation is a technical field. Comprehension of facts, background reading & extremely basic detailed analysis of data just isn't your forte! You work in the rag trade. You've found your technical Everest.
Again, you really want to continue this pissing contest? Yeah, semantics: making you look more and more and more stupid every time you post.
Got to go and fly my shiny jet so have fun. Just avoid facts, logical comprehension, technical queries, maths.....well, just keep doing what you're doing. But of course stay true to who you are so proud announce to be: a sell out.
Read the timings of the posts! Once again FAILURE TO COMPREHEND
Your post #73 mocking my errors in my post #70 is dated 20 June 2011 at 21:25 Z.
My response (#74) is dated 21 June 2011 at 00:50 Z, and edited for typos or content on the same day at 05:36 Z. At 01:09 Z (I'll help you with this, it equals 19 minutes later) you could've attacked the pre-edited post of mine but didn't. I was careful not repeat the same typos or errors. I learn from mistakes.
So, are you that stupid? You (#73) mocked post #70 but now claim I edited post #74 in light of that ridicule or to hide something that had NOTHING to do with the other (#70 or #73)? Whereby in fact it admit & I laugh at my own errors? Are you that much of an utter imbecile? "Ninja editing"? No, idiot. It's there for all the world to see. Not quite stealth then is it?
See kid, aviation is a technical field. Comprehension of facts, background reading & extremely basic detailed analysis of data just isn't your forte! You work in the rag trade. You've found your technical Everest.
Again, you really want to continue this pissing contest? Yeah, semantics: making you look more and more and more stupid every time you post.
Got to go and fly my shiny jet so have fun. Just avoid facts, logical comprehension, technical queries, maths.....well, just keep doing what you're doing. But of course stay true to who you are so proud announce to be: a sell out.
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Ok, ChinaBeached i will grant you that. The following edit in brackets didn't catch my attention.
However, now that you have decided to bring that little gem up, i should probably point out-
Now if you'll kindly crunch the numbers on those posts (beyond my simple understanding i'm afraid) you'll see that the latter quote, where you made a fool of yourself, was posted well in advance of the former. If you would just calm down, take a nice deep breath and perhaps think before you type, you might just be able to keep track of what it is you have written, and therefore avoid looking like a hypocrite.
And to top it all off, you accuse me of drawing on personal attacks... and yet
There are more... much, much more. But by all means, keep at it!
Don't feel the need to leave just yet. I'm starting to enjoy myself!
(Must admit to waking & reading the typos / errors & having a laugh...You two seem to be willing to argue the small & trivial points
It's "alterior", not ulterior. First time I thought a typo, second time? Use spell check otherwise you come across illiterate.
draw on personal attacks.
IDIOT
utter imbecile
Don't feel the need to leave just yet. I'm starting to enjoy myself!
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At dispatch so will be quick, it won't take long.... Yet again, complete FAILURE TO COMPREHEND!!
So, are you that stupid?
Are you that much of an utter imbecile?
These are called "questions" and not "accusations" There is a squiggly thing with a dot underneath at the end of the phrase that defines it is such, not to mention the phraseology. A simple yes or no would've sufficed. (But methinks logical popular opinion will steer its own course here).
This is a direct accusation: IDIOT
This is a statement of fact: SELL OUT
"Fact" because by your own self admission, it is.
Gotta go!
So, are you that stupid?
Are you that much of an utter imbecile?
These are called "questions" and not "accusations" There is a squiggly thing with a dot underneath at the end of the phrase that defines it is such, not to mention the phraseology. A simple yes or no would've sufficed. (But methinks logical popular opinion will steer its own course here).
This is a direct accusation: IDIOT
This is a statement of fact: SELL OUT
"Fact" because by your own self admission, it is.
Gotta go!
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You take the time at dispatch to think of me? How sweet. I'd have thought you'd have much more important things to worry about though... ChinaBeached i am starting to wonder if you even have a job at all! Would you lie to us, China? For shame.
C'mon man, you start your posts with insults - i should not have to quote those for you, if you'd just scroll up the page you'd see that quite clearly. I am trying to help you here, in fact my previous post mentioned that you should slow down, take a deep breath and try to at least keep track of what you have written. You make such a big deal about comprehension, so i figure an intellect such as yours would have no problem comprehending the insanity that your fingers had only just previously spewed forth. Guess not.
C'mon man, you start your posts with insults - i should not have to quote those for you, if you'd just scroll up the page you'd see that quite clearly. I am trying to help you here, in fact my previous post mentioned that you should slow down, take a deep breath and try to at least keep track of what you have written. You make such a big deal about comprehension, so i figure an intellect such as yours would have no problem comprehending the insanity that your fingers had only just previously spewed forth. Guess not.
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From OP:
To stay on topic, VFE / hihi, what are your answers, since both of you were offered a position as DESO (prior airline experience in a multicrew environment), did you accept the offer? Or, you really weren't offered anything yet, but you are just not happy to hear what CX is about nowadays? Which is it?
Ok, I'll make it short: what the F are you doing on this thread again?
Survey: Are you accepting their offer?
If you were successful in the last DESO interviews back in 2008 but were placed in a hold pool, will you be accepting CX's latest "final offer" to join as an S/O?
Let's keep it simple, YES or NO?
If you were successful in the last DESO interviews back in 2008 but were placed in a hold pool, will you be accepting CX's latest "final offer" to join as an S/O?
Let's keep it simple, YES or NO?
Ok, I'll make it short: what the F are you doing on this thread again?