Survey: Are you accepting their offer?
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Comprehension, CB, comprehension. You speak of it, yet it seems lost on you. I'm not the one wanking on about having balls, and i'm not the one slinging names. I shouldn't have to explain this very simple concept to you.
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Actually MTC......NO!
I passed on the i(diot)Cadet program twice. I can be poor in Canada with my friends and family much easier than going half way around the globe to CHINA to be poor and alone. Anyone with any (real) experience is not taking this sub-standard contract. The real jobs are just around the corner and anyone with any time in the industry would tell you that. Cathay is taking advantage of the recession to "hand-cuff" wanna-be pilots to them until hopefully the next recession when you won't be able to move. Hence the 6-year taxable bond.
I don't want a pissing contest, but for me the deal is no good. I wish you the best in the future, and please read all the cadet postings, so you have no regrets about your choice.
I passed on the i(diot)Cadet program twice. I can be poor in Canada with my friends and family much easier than going half way around the globe to CHINA to be poor and alone. Anyone with any (real) experience is not taking this sub-standard contract. The real jobs are just around the corner and anyone with any time in the industry would tell you that. Cathay is taking advantage of the recession to "hand-cuff" wanna-be pilots to them until hopefully the next recession when you won't be able to move. Hence the 6-year taxable bond.
I don't want a pissing contest, but for me the deal is no good. I wish you the best in the future, and please read all the cadet postings, so you have no regrets about your choice.
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But what could possibly be the point of a Canadian moving to Hong Kong, unless you have strong family ties or a perverse addiction to industrial smog and confined claustrphobic spaces?
Getting 'experience' so that you can later join AC in Toronto on 39k a year? Why postpone it? For the money? With the new hkpa you will not get ahead, your purchasing power will be substantially less, and your quality of live miserable in comparisons. For a basing? Forget it, the system is frozen and the backlog long. For the love of flying? It's NOT flying, its sandwich eating, movie watching, jet lagging miserable monotony in a system where your only identity is a 6 digit number in a box. MS flight simulator is a more rewarding flying experience then this.
Unless you want to throw away the best years of your life with nothing to show for it but an empty pocket and a logbook of sim-time, stay at home and appreciate the friends, family, charter of rights an quality of live which you're privileged enough to be born with. There is nothing here anymore, everything that once made it worth the sacrifice has been taken away.
Don't be the dumbass showing up at closing time.
Getting 'experience' so that you can later join AC in Toronto on 39k a year? Why postpone it? For the money? With the new hkpa you will not get ahead, your purchasing power will be substantially less, and your quality of live miserable in comparisons. For a basing? Forget it, the system is frozen and the backlog long. For the love of flying? It's NOT flying, its sandwich eating, movie watching, jet lagging miserable monotony in a system where your only identity is a 6 digit number in a box. MS flight simulator is a more rewarding flying experience then this.
Unless you want to throw away the best years of your life with nothing to show for it but an empty pocket and a logbook of sim-time, stay at home and appreciate the friends, family, charter of rights an quality of live which you're privileged enough to be born with. There is nothing here anymore, everything that once made it worth the sacrifice has been taken away.
Don't be the dumbass showing up at closing time.
Can someone confirm or correct my understanding that all Airlines, other than CX, that used to use Adelaide have stopped using them. I assume its because standards have dropped
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Can someone confirm or correct my understanding that all Airlines, other than CX, that used to use Adelaide have stopped using them. I assume its because standards have dropped
From what I have heard... the only airline cadets that are there now are CX & DA.
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General Custard
WHAT?
Do you mean this person George Armstrong Custer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Or are you referring to a character from your Tellytubbies program?
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I'll blame the autocorrect setting on my computer. Custer to Custard....! But the link made for some interesting reading. Love the quote:
Same theme with the CPP?
(PS: I think Tinky Winky has recieved enough bad press!! Tinky Winky - the Gay Teletubby??)
"Hurrah boys, we've got them! We'll finish them up and then go home to our station."
—Famous words reportedly said by General Custer shortly before being killed
—Famous words reportedly said by General Custer shortly before being killed
(PS: I think Tinky Winky has recieved enough bad press!! Tinky Winky - the Gay Teletubby??)
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Numbers to consider
From the benefit package a first year FO, not JFO or SFO, would make 1.1M a year including allowance. Don't shoot the messenger, just quoting the package. How do you see the forgivable loan fitting into all this? Must be somewhat good having an extra 880,000HKD for stuff?
On another point what is the difference between junior, regular, and senior FO?
On another point what is the difference between junior, regular, and senior FO?
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That is a ridiculous difference in housing allowance, wow.
I can see the difference, that's for sure. The thing is that I would be comparing the C scale pay not to B scale, but to Canadian airlines' scales. Which is still worse imo.
I heard form a pilot in the hiring pool upgrade times at Westjet reaching 13 years. That's a while at FO pay too.
I can see the difference, that's for sure. The thing is that I would be comparing the C scale pay not to B scale, but to Canadian airlines' scales. Which is still worse imo.
I heard form a pilot in the hiring pool upgrade times at Westjet reaching 13 years. That's a while at FO pay too.
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That is true. It is not just the salaries.
Cathay will not make you rich anymore (if it ever did), but even in Hong Kong, "comfortable" seems to be achievable with this scale. You will not be an SO forever and you will continue to advance and make more money. Ten years until Captain is not a long time, the same exists over here.
On that note some more troubling facts would be making less, way less, than the FOs around you and then the Captains around you once you got there. Also, if enough guys hold out and the package does increase, which seems unlikely considering the trends of the industry, would an icad be subject to the new terms or boned for life?
Cathay will not make you rich anymore (if it ever did), but even in Hong Kong, "comfortable" seems to be achievable with this scale. You will not be an SO forever and you will continue to advance and make more money. Ten years until Captain is not a long time, the same exists over here.
On that note some more troubling facts would be making less, way less, than the FOs around you and then the Captains around you once you got there. Also, if enough guys hold out and the package does increase, which seems unlikely considering the trends of the industry, would an icad be subject to the new terms or boned for life?
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I know it's a typo but perhaps more of a Freudian slip??!!
So yes, you will get boned for life under this iCadet package.
Other questions have been answered countless times before.
So yes, you will get boned for life under this iCadet package.
Other questions have been answered countless times before.
mtc
Comfortable for whom? A single guy or a guy with a family? As has been said before you must look at the T&C’s on a long term basis. Yes you can get by as a single guy but it is a non starter for a married guy especially with kids. The vast majority of pilots won’t be single forever.
Someone joining today as an iCad SO would be an SO minimum of 4 years but most likely 6-8 years. You would then upgrade to a JFO for 1 year followed by a FO for 8-10 years. So best case scenario is 13 years to command but even with the current aircraft on order could be as long as 19-20 years.
The package has already been improved twice since 2009 due to a lack of interest. Since the expansion plans for airlines around the world is rapidly gaining pace, competition for experienced pilot’s services will drive up T&C’s.
If you joined today it is prety certain that will be your T&C's for your career here.
Cathay will not make you rich anymore (if it ever did), but even in Hong Kong, "comfortable" seems to be achievable with this scale.
You will not be an SO forever and you will continue to advance and make more money. Ten years until Captain is not a long time, the same exists over here.
Also, if enough guys hold out and the package does increase, which seems unlikely considering the trends of the industry, would an icad be subject to the new terms or boned for life?
If you joined today it is prety certain that will be your T&C's for your career here.
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404 is right on the money. The local guys for whom the cadet program was originally designed for (and still is according to RH - refer last update from him) received the HKPLA due the requirement enforced by the RDO, not due CX's goodwill!! In fact CX's use of the RDO was to REDUCE the package for the pilot body!!!!!
Due the natural forces of supply and demand if less people accept it CX need to find a way to create the demand: remuneration. But, owing to their already acknowledged and publicised disgraceful track record of industrial relations and cards being played already would you possibly think CX would increase the package for those who already signed and accepted the iCadet package to a better remuneration package implemented to attract better qualified and experienced pilots, or just more pilots full stop?
Hell, if you're stupid enough to sign and endorse it then im my opinion you deserve if for the rest of your career. And, have zero scope to moan if the guy who started after you is getting a far better remuneration package.
Due the natural forces of supply and demand if less people accept it CX need to find a way to create the demand: remuneration. But, owing to their already acknowledged and publicised disgraceful track record of industrial relations and cards being played already would you possibly think CX would increase the package for those who already signed and accepted the iCadet package to a better remuneration package implemented to attract better qualified and experienced pilots, or just more pilots full stop?
Hell, if you're stupid enough to sign and endorse it then im my opinion you deserve if for the rest of your career. And, have zero scope to moan if the guy who started after you is getting a far better remuneration package.
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I find nothing positive with the 880000 or however much it is. If you have no experience, it's about 1/8th of that amount. You'll spend it all in the first year trying to stay ahead and catching up. Then you've got nothing but a useless debt you're paying off with time wasted NOT EVER FLYING.
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Someone joining today as an iCad SO would be an SO minimum of 4 years but most likely 6-8 years. You would then upgrade to a JFO for 1 year followed by a FO for 8-10 years. So best case scenario is 13 years to command but even with the current aircraft on order could be as long as 19-20 years.
2001 = 1500 pilots, 2011 = approx 2500 pilots. 2021 = 4000 pilots?
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My God, what a hard read.
Doing the required research that any prospective employee should do is quite torturous thanks to a few tossers that make these threads almost unreadable.
Thank you to those that have made meaningful contributions.
To those that have resorted to name calling, to using spelling to put others down etc, thanks for wasting my time. I hope, but doubt, that when you read over your contributions to this thread, that you feel embarassed.
Doing the required research that any prospective employee should do is quite torturous thanks to a few tossers that make these threads almost unreadable.
Thank you to those that have made meaningful contributions.
To those that have resorted to name calling, to using spelling to put others down etc, thanks for wasting my time. I hope, but doubt, that when you read over your contributions to this thread, that you feel embarassed.
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Hey Dan.
This is my first thread or response on Pprune.
I've got a pretty good command slot at a regional based in Sydney. No points for guessing which one!!!
I've got a first round interview with CX in about a month. I'm going to the interview and am gonna try and get offered a job.
Whether I take it or not is another thing.
The problem is that all I hear is negativity about the SO program. I don't wanna get shafted by anyone, I got my fill of that in GA!!!!
Unfortunately CX is pretty much the only airline that I have really wanted to work for. I have a family member who Is a training captain at CX and he says that everyone should say no to the offer so that it forces CX's hand into increasing the T&C's.
That's all well and good when you are in the company and sitting pretty!
In your opinion, what are actual chances of things getting better in the next 12-24 months!?!?
This is my first thread or response on Pprune.
I've got a pretty good command slot at a regional based in Sydney. No points for guessing which one!!!
I've got a first round interview with CX in about a month. I'm going to the interview and am gonna try and get offered a job.
Whether I take it or not is another thing.
The problem is that all I hear is negativity about the SO program. I don't wanna get shafted by anyone, I got my fill of that in GA!!!!
Unfortunately CX is pretty much the only airline that I have really wanted to work for. I have a family member who Is a training captain at CX and he says that everyone should say no to the offer so that it forces CX's hand into increasing the T&C's.
That's all well and good when you are in the company and sitting pretty!
In your opinion, what are actual chances of things getting better in the next 12-24 months!?!?