Survey: Are you accepting their offer?
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QED??? NFI.
Anyway... So tell me. I argue against the lowering of the industry standards as well as the raping of the terms & conditions yet so many of you disagree with me.
The lower the better? The less pay the better? After all, that's what you are arguing against.
Tupps: defend your point. What FACTS are you using? A mention of the word doesn't qualify you the knowledge let alone application.
Ipuk: The name and the purpose of this forum / thread: "Are You Accepting Their Offer?" What offer has been made to you? What did you do? (We all know what you would do to screw over the airline and industry). Or are you just hoping, waiting, seeking a lower standard to allow yourself the desire to lower the job's standards and worth? This is the purpose and name of this specific thread. So if no offer has been been made, what right have you to comment? You raised this point.
Anyway... So tell me. I argue against the lowering of the industry standards as well as the raping of the terms & conditions yet so many of you disagree with me.
The lower the better? The less pay the better? After all, that's what you are arguing against.
Tupps: defend your point. What FACTS are you using? A mention of the word doesn't qualify you the knowledge let alone application.
Ipuk: The name and the purpose of this forum / thread: "Are You Accepting Their Offer?" What offer has been made to you? What did you do? (We all know what you would do to screw over the airline and industry). Or are you just hoping, waiting, seeking a lower standard to allow yourself the desire to lower the job's standards and worth? This is the purpose and name of this specific thread. So if no offer has been been made, what right have you to comment? You raised this point.
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I would just like to say thank you to CB for their oh so personal messages but unfortunately I deleted them with my oaf like fingers could they please resend them for further analysis by my friend he is a phsychiatrist who took a deep seated intrest in CB after reading one of their more colourful and longwinded rants 
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Definitely a man with issues. After a bit of detective work, i found a recent video of ChinaBeached staunchly defending the lowering of the profession.
So young for a pilot too? Well done CB, your parents must be so proud.
So young for a pilot too? Well done CB, your parents must be so proud.
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Gotta say whorewhore, VERY funny. At last you've developed a sense of humour.
But are my parents proud? They say so.
And yours?
"Whorewhore, why are you applying to CX?"
"Well mumsie, father.... Since CX doesn't see the need for experience, qualifications of knowledge anymore I am eligible to interview."
"Really? And is this a good thing for international airline standards & safety?"
"Mumsie, father, this does not concern me."
"And the salary?"
"Well, I'm undercutting the market by as much as 60% over a potential career. I don't care about the well being of the industry as a whole. I'm just looking out for myself and screw everyone else. Well, at least that's what I've told everyone on that pprune forum! I proudly tell all I'm a sell-out and even display it on my public profile."
"That's our son! A true selfish, ignorant sell-out!! We are so proud!!"
Or, xx amount of years later:
"Dad, what's the difference between right and wrong?"
"Well son/daughter.... You see if something is difficult or can be thought of as 'too hard' then it is more likely wrong. If there is a cheaper and nastier way to do something then it will be the right way. Under no circumstances defend standards when you can actively lower them in a deliberate and self serving manner. This is the entire and soul reason I was even able to apply for a job. After all, I'm raising you to be a sell-out like your dear old dad here. Sell-out your colleagues and industry if that is what it takes."
But are my parents proud? They say so.
And yours?
"Whorewhore, why are you applying to CX?"
"Well mumsie, father.... Since CX doesn't see the need for experience, qualifications of knowledge anymore I am eligible to interview."
"Really? And is this a good thing for international airline standards & safety?"
"Mumsie, father, this does not concern me."
"And the salary?"
"Well, I'm undercutting the market by as much as 60% over a potential career. I don't care about the well being of the industry as a whole. I'm just looking out for myself and screw everyone else. Well, at least that's what I've told everyone on that pprune forum! I proudly tell all I'm a sell-out and even display it on my public profile."
"That's our son! A true selfish, ignorant sell-out!! We are so proud!!"
Or, xx amount of years later:
"Dad, what's the difference between right and wrong?"
"Well son/daughter.... You see if something is difficult or can be thought of as 'too hard' then it is more likely wrong. If there is a cheaper and nastier way to do something then it will be the right way. Under no circumstances defend standards when you can actively lower them in a deliberate and self serving manner. This is the entire and soul reason I was even able to apply for a job. After all, I'm raising you to be a sell-out like your dear old dad here. Sell-out your colleagues and industry if that is what it takes."
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Please, this has become very tedious and extremely boring!!! Instead of slagging everybody off can we please just stick to the facts about the package etc so people can make up their own mind about it rather than just shouting out abuse about being ignorant and a sell out. Everyone will see your thoughts on this over the last god knows how many posts about the same thing. Please, please, please let's have some constructive conversations for once 
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Wow, CB, i am surprised. Here i was thinking i'd get an essay worth of 'sell-out', 'COMPREHEND', 'IDIOCY', and talk of folding old mens underwear (i don't work in a clothing store, btw). Unfortunately the video isn't nearly as entertaining as watching you lose the plot.
Oh and thats not me at 00:26, i'm at 00:04, the guy on the right.
Oh and thats not me at 00:26, i'm at 00:04, the guy on the right.
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Blogsey. It is stated in the Terms and conditions Package that you recieve when getting an interview. So yes it is 93,000hk/mnth for FO,
48,000hk/mnth for SO.
Jizzmonkey. I've got close to 4000hrs with 2000 hrs twin turbine plus university degree. So no not an idiot. I don't think so anyway haha. I got a good chance I've had more aviation jobs and experience then you by the sounds of things....but getting off topic there.
Why is 93,000 funniest thing you've heared for FO? it is stated... full stop.
Dont specualte or put your wrong spin on it. it is there black and white.
Prob take 2-3 yrs as SO before being promoted to FO. How is that funny Jizzmonkey? I have friends in Cathay, 4th yr SO, he is in process of getting upgraded. He told me its more than likely it will only take 2 yrs for me due to expansion, which he wasnt too happy about but understands as he is a cool guy haha. Also Talked to 2 Ex cathay veterens, they reckon prob be as low as 18months as SO. So yeah they would have 30,000hrs between then so more likely to listen to them then you.
As previously stated yeah i do have that many hours, thats why im so good at sifting through the BS and listening to the right people.
Grow a brain and get a life? ok buddy that is not really a mature or helpful response. that statement is more of, i dont have anything else to chuck at you so take that...
Dont respond and start going off in tangents and speculations and so forth, just state it how it is in each point form. Not just an essay showing your dodgy attitude and try and include some actual figures if you wish to keep debating.
48,000hk/mnth for SO.
Jizzmonkey. I've got close to 4000hrs with 2000 hrs twin turbine plus university degree. So no not an idiot. I don't think so anyway haha. I got a good chance I've had more aviation jobs and experience then you by the sounds of things....but getting off topic there.
Why is 93,000 funniest thing you've heared for FO? it is stated... full stop.
Dont specualte or put your wrong spin on it. it is there black and white.
Prob take 2-3 yrs as SO before being promoted to FO. How is that funny Jizzmonkey? I have friends in Cathay, 4th yr SO, he is in process of getting upgraded. He told me its more than likely it will only take 2 yrs for me due to expansion, which he wasnt too happy about but understands as he is a cool guy haha. Also Talked to 2 Ex cathay veterens, they reckon prob be as low as 18months as SO. So yeah they would have 30,000hrs between then so more likely to listen to them then you.
As previously stated yeah i do have that many hours, thats why im so good at sifting through the BS and listening to the right people.
Grow a brain and get a life? ok buddy that is not really a mature or helpful response. that statement is more of, i dont have anything else to chuck at you so take that...
Dont respond and start going off in tangents and speculations and so forth, just state it how it is in each point form. Not just an essay showing your dodgy attitude and try and include some actual figures if you wish to keep debating.
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Bullsh*t.
SO year 1 = HK$35170
FO year 1 = HK$70165
I wouldn't go wagging willies with most of the DE pilots here. Most would easily have had more experience than you when they joined as DESO's.
I would suggest you either have a reading problem or it is you spinning the BS. Those of us here have the COS of service and the numbers you are quoting are wrong. FACT
As has been pointed out current SO's are upgrading in 4 years. How do you come to the conclusion that you would upgrade in 2-3? It the last 15 years upgrades have only been getting longer. When I started it was 18 months. With the introduction of 2 x SO's on all long hall flights the requirement for FO's will only decrease but the requirement for SO's will double. Upgrades will likely blow out to 6-8 years because of this not decrease. Your so called CX friends (I personally don't think you have any) don't know what they are talking about. Most of the aircraft on order are replacements not additions. FACT.
You do realise thought that when you upgrade it is to JFO not FO. Year 1 JFO = HK$53958. Even taking into account the HKPA and HDP your numbers still are wrong.
Blogsey. It is stated in the Terms and conditions Package that you recieve when getting an interview. So yes it is 93,000hk/mnth for FO,
48,000hk/mnth for SO.
48,000hk/mnth for SO.
SO year 1 = HK$35170
FO year 1 = HK$70165
Jizzmonkey. I've got close to 4000hrs with 2000 hrs twin turbine plus university degree. So no not an idiot. I don't think so anyway haha. I got a good chance I've had more aviation jobs and experience then you by the sounds of things....but getting off topic there.
Why is 93,000 funniest thing you've heared for FO? it is stated... full stop.
Dont specualte or put your wrong spin on it. it is there black and white.
Dont specualte or put your wrong spin on it. it is there black and white.
Prob take 2-3 yrs as SO before being promoted to FO. How is that funny Jizzmonkey?
You do realise thought that when you upgrade it is to JFO not FO. Year 1 JFO = HK$53958. Even taking into account the HKPA and HDP your numbers still are wrong.
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It's not all made up and bull it is just what the company has handed out.
SO - 48K
JFO - 71K
FO - 93K
That is including the HKPA.
As far as upgrade time goes isn't it obvious as pilots that this changes with the tides? So who knows what it will be in a few years from now. However with the implementation of the two SOs long haul that would lead one to believe that it will only get longer for now.
SO - 48K
JFO - 71K
FO - 93K
That is including the HKPA.
As far as upgrade time goes isn't it obvious as pilots that this changes with the tides? So who knows what it will be in a few years from now. However with the implementation of the two SOs long haul that would lead one to believe that it will only get longer for now.
93000, got it right in front of me, this includes the HKPA though
I think the package is good
built4flying83, Dangerman12 & mtc
I could quote my payscale + Hourly Duty Pay + Housing but that isn't my salary. You try going into a bank for a home loan and see what the response will be if you try that one over them. They are only interested in your payscale. Period.
For the record your payscale is contractual, ie the company must pay you this per month.
Hourly duty pay is subject to how much flying you do per month. On quiet months, leave or sick leave you get less or no HDP.
HPA is subject to company policy. In other words the company can give-ith and take-ith at its own discretion and there is nothing you can do about it.
The only reason the company is quoting these missleading figures is they are desperate. Your real payscale doesn't include HDP or HPA. Period.
I could quote my payscale + Hourly Duty Pay + Housing but that isn't my salary. You try going into a bank for a home loan and see what the response will be if you try that one over them. They are only interested in your payscale. Period.
For the record your payscale is contractual, ie the company must pay you this per month.
Hourly duty pay is subject to how much flying you do per month. On quiet months, leave or sick leave you get less or no HDP.
HPA is subject to company policy. In other words the company can give-ith and take-ith at its own discretion and there is nothing you can do about it.
The only reason the company is quoting these missleading figures is they are desperate. Your real payscale doesn't include HDP or HPA. Period.