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GD POQ.
The issue really isn't 5% that's the catalyst, we don't want to be reclassified AME's we want our payout if QE decides to transmit business, we won't be told arbitrarily what shift we are working. WE will decide wether we want OT or an OT bank not YOU.
We will not XPT and we will not put up with these flag poling, lap running fools any longer.
FOG and team.
GD POQ.
The issue really isn't 5% that's the catalyst, we don't want to be reclassified AME's we want our payout if QE decides to transmit business, we won't be told arbitrarily what shift we are working. WE will decide wether we want OT or an OT bank not YOU.
We will not XPT and we will not put up with these flag poling, lap running fools any longer.
FOG and team.
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Latest Rumours
Heard strong rumours today and yesterday from 5 different sources that GD is done and dusted.
Anyone care to comment?
Is this why the share price has gone up 6% today?
Looks like the board may have finally woken from their slumbers.
Anyone care to comment?
Is this why the share price has gone up 6% today?
Looks like the board may have finally woken from their slumbers.
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Rumour from a few ppl doing the crap team today that alot of people in QF (many diff depts) are saying that GD has resigned. Seems hard to believe though, as you would expect a pretty big public announcement if this was the case.
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The issue really isn't 5% that's the catalyst, we don't want to be reclassified AME's we want our payout if QE decides to transmit business, we won't be told arbitrarily what shift we are working. WE will decide wether we want OT or an OT bank not YOU.
We will not XPT and we will not put up with these flag poling, lap running fools any longer.
We will not XPT and we will not put up with these flag poling, lap running fools any longer.
It is a timely reminder to what bought us to PIA.
The items listed above + including roster issue involving only BNE heavy were the catalyste
This is where the battle lines were drawn, Now it is 5% + +
Lucky for QF, M was on the negotiating commity
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AH redhawk, you've crawled out of the old hangar down in Adl to have a swipe at those naughty boys who've taken your ball have you
Sounds like you've gone one too many rounds in Perth with the big D*ck
Been buggered once too often maybe
You must be french....let the brits, aussies and yanks win the war, then enjoy what others have fought for
Sounds like you've gone one too many rounds in Perth with the big D*ck
Been buggered once too often maybe
You must be french....let the brits, aussies and yanks win the war, then enjoy what others have fought for
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My average electricity charges were
Year... Price
99-00 $198.58
07-08 $284.92
That is an average increase of 4.61% pa for 8 years.
Average fuel price
99-00 $0.80
07-08 $1.35
That is an average increase of 6.76% pa for 8 years.
Average price of bread
99-00 $2.21
07-08 $3.36
That is an average increase of 5.38% pa for 8 years.
The LAME has averaged 1.7% pa of base wage increases since 1999
Year... Price
99-00 $198.58
07-08 $284.92
That is an average increase of 4.61% pa for 8 years.
Average fuel price
99-00 $0.80
07-08 $1.35
That is an average increase of 6.76% pa for 8 years.
Average price of bread
99-00 $2.21
07-08 $3.36
That is an average increase of 5.38% pa for 8 years.
The LAME has averaged 1.7% pa of base wage increases since 1999
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Not only LAME's Panther, most Qantas staff have fared similarly. Infact, I'd hazzard to guess that the only staff to have kept up with, or even exceeded the rate of inflation, would be those bareing a "manager" title.
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Actually redhawk37 you are just as entitled to speak your mind as the rest of us..just please don't be offended if nobody listens.
Oh and by the way...it's altar not alter and troopers has two o's.. Minor things I know, but as you were talking about sharpening crayons and doing sums, I thought a little spelling lesson might not go astray.
In all seriousness redhawk37, since you are obviously not a fan of the current methodology, what would you do in this situation?
Oh and by the way...it's altar not alter and troopers has two o's.. Minor things I know, but as you were talking about sharpening crayons and doing sums, I thought a little spelling lesson might not go astray.
In all seriousness redhawk37, since you are obviously not a fan of the current methodology, what would you do in this situation?
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How about you start publishing the amount of money the pilots are making.
Wouldnt this open up the publics eyes, maybe even your own.
Wouldnt this open up the publics eyes, maybe even your own.
There are certain other office bound empire builders that I'm much more dubious about...
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"Heard strong rumours today and yesterday from 5 different sources that GD is done and dusted.
Anyone care to comment?
Is this why the share price has gone up 6% today?
Looks like the board may have finally woken from their slumbers."
The share price was up 6% today due to the floating of the QF Frequent Flyer Programme. Closed at $3.24
Not bad for the US investment fund that purchased an additional 20 million shares at $3.22 at the "QF Board meeting" in New York a week or so ago. That's a $400,000.00 profit for one week.
Tomorrow's meeting will be most interesting. If the FOG FOD team stare down the ALAEA and say bugger off (no pun intended), who knows which way this will go. If there is some agreement at say 4%, then watch the share price take off, and GD look great. Not that this will change the attitude of anyone within QANTAS, especially toward the management.
Anyway, fingers crossed, and hope that all ends well.
Anyone care to comment?
Is this why the share price has gone up 6% today?
Looks like the board may have finally woken from their slumbers."
The share price was up 6% today due to the floating of the QF Frequent Flyer Programme. Closed at $3.24
Not bad for the US investment fund that purchased an additional 20 million shares at $3.22 at the "QF Board meeting" in New York a week or so ago. That's a $400,000.00 profit for one week.
Tomorrow's meeting will be most interesting. If the FOG FOD team stare down the ALAEA and say bugger off (no pun intended), who knows which way this will go. If there is some agreement at say 4%, then watch the share price take off, and GD look great. Not that this will change the attitude of anyone within QANTAS, especially toward the management.
Anyway, fingers crossed, and hope that all ends well.
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I can tell you the hours of study, the wealth of knowledge and experience, and the constant need to keep skills updated makes me happy with our renumeration as fly boys. I think all of us in QF deserve to be rewarded for input to what was once a great company. The guys I fly with are mostly a very professional and highly skilled bunch and more than deserve their payslips.
But so do you guys so keep the faith.
But so do you guys so keep the faith.
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Open Letter To Geoff Dixon From Richard Branson
The letter from Richard Banson to FOD, dated 24 July 2003, is a challenge as to who will be around and who won't.
5 years down the track, it's almost true. The link below takes you to the letter and a beautiful photo of FOD in a Virgin Hostie outfit.
Here is an extract of that letter, and closing comment by FOD.
"We are running an airline not a circus," Dixon said through a Qantas spokeswoman.
Judging by the way QANTAS is curently run, QANTAS is the biggest circus in town, run by clowns, with FOD as the ring master. This circus will be doing the rounds when they pack up the tent and side show alley, and take to the major cities in the form of "Road Shows".
Media Man Australia - The Online Home of Greg Tingle - Journalist & TV Presenter
5 years down the track, it's almost true. The link below takes you to the letter and a beautiful photo of FOD in a Virgin Hostie outfit.
Here is an extract of that letter, and closing comment by FOD.
"We are running an airline not a circus," Dixon said through a Qantas spokeswoman.
Judging by the way QANTAS is curently run, QANTAS is the biggest circus in town, run by clowns, with FOD as the ring master. This circus will be doing the rounds when they pack up the tent and side show alley, and take to the major cities in the form of "Road Shows".
Media Man Australia - The Online Home of Greg Tingle - Journalist & TV Presenter
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I wish I knew the lotto numbers a day early.
Plane had faults despite overhaul
Ben Schneiders
July 2, 2008
A QANTAS aircraft just back from a maintenance overhaul in Malaysia had a string of faults including problems with its navigation systems and rudder.
A flight attendant also received two electric shocks in the galley of the 737, which is used on domestic routes, documents obtained by The Age show.
The electric shocks, which occurred on a flight last week, were due to the galley not being properly grounded.
"(The) flight attendant was standing in rear galley and had one hand on galley bench near ovens and one hand on galley bench near (the) brewer. He then felt an electric shock go through his body from one arm to the other," the documents say.
A Qantas spokesman said the airline was investigating the incident but confirmed the crew member had received either a "jolt from a static electrical discharge or a mild electric shock".
A medical was undertaken and the staff member was cleared and returned to work immediately, he said.
The aircraft in question returned to Australia at the start of last week after extensive maintenance in Malaysia.
Its problems have led to renewed criticism from unions about Qantas' moves to outsource maintenance work.
Among the other faults with the 737 and included in a technical log of defects obtained by The Age were:
■Movement of the pilot rudder pedals was restricted due to poor installation of the cockpit panels.
■ The captain's window had been scratched; a check said it looked as if it had been cleaned with "Scotch-Brite".
■ Cooling ducts that controlled computer temperatures were not working properly, likely causing the captain's primary instrument display and indication display screens to black out intermittently.
■ Equipment that allowed the air crew to report back to Qantas and vice versa stopped working.
■ The aircraft had "throttle stagger", which sources said meant that instead of being able to use autopilot the pilots had to adjust the power of the plane constantly.
Other faults included a "squeal" or leak in the captain's side window and a small turbine engine at the rear of the plane that was over-spinning.
Engineering sources said it was "very unusual" for an aircraft back from a major service to have so many faults.
The bitter industrial dispute between Qantas and its licensed engineers, which last week resulted in scores of flights being cancelled or delayed, has centred on pay — but outsourcing has been the other key issue.
"We're working with CASA and Qantas to make sure these errors don't occur again," said Steve Purvinas, federal secretary of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association.
"It's disappointing that Qantas are now trying to use safety as a bargaining chip when they advise us that they will be sending further maintenance to these facilities if we don't accept this less-than-inflation wage offer."
Unions have been critical of Qantas' decision, announced last December, to outsource some of its heavy maintenance to Malaysia as part of a joint venture with Malaysia Airlines.
A Qantas spokesman said it had been standard practice for the airline to send about 15% of its heavy maintenance checks offshore for decades, with that work overseen by Australian licensed engineers.
"This aircraft has required additional maintenance work since returning to Australia in a number of areas, but is now in service and operating normally," the airline spokesman said.
■ Movement of rudder pedals was restricted.
■ Captain's instrument panel blacked out intermittently.
Plane had faults despite overhaul
Ben Schneiders
July 2, 2008
A QANTAS aircraft just back from a maintenance overhaul in Malaysia had a string of faults including problems with its navigation systems and rudder.
A flight attendant also received two electric shocks in the galley of the 737, which is used on domestic routes, documents obtained by The Age show.
The electric shocks, which occurred on a flight last week, were due to the galley not being properly grounded.
"(The) flight attendant was standing in rear galley and had one hand on galley bench near ovens and one hand on galley bench near (the) brewer. He then felt an electric shock go through his body from one arm to the other," the documents say.
A Qantas spokesman said the airline was investigating the incident but confirmed the crew member had received either a "jolt from a static electrical discharge or a mild electric shock".
A medical was undertaken and the staff member was cleared and returned to work immediately, he said.
The aircraft in question returned to Australia at the start of last week after extensive maintenance in Malaysia.
Its problems have led to renewed criticism from unions about Qantas' moves to outsource maintenance work.
Among the other faults with the 737 and included in a technical log of defects obtained by The Age were:
■Movement of the pilot rudder pedals was restricted due to poor installation of the cockpit panels.
■ The captain's window had been scratched; a check said it looked as if it had been cleaned with "Scotch-Brite".
■ Cooling ducts that controlled computer temperatures were not working properly, likely causing the captain's primary instrument display and indication display screens to black out intermittently.
■ Equipment that allowed the air crew to report back to Qantas and vice versa stopped working.
■ The aircraft had "throttle stagger", which sources said meant that instead of being able to use autopilot the pilots had to adjust the power of the plane constantly.
Other faults included a "squeal" or leak in the captain's side window and a small turbine engine at the rear of the plane that was over-spinning.
Engineering sources said it was "very unusual" for an aircraft back from a major service to have so many faults.
The bitter industrial dispute between Qantas and its licensed engineers, which last week resulted in scores of flights being cancelled or delayed, has centred on pay — but outsourcing has been the other key issue.
"We're working with CASA and Qantas to make sure these errors don't occur again," said Steve Purvinas, federal secretary of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association.
"It's disappointing that Qantas are now trying to use safety as a bargaining chip when they advise us that they will be sending further maintenance to these facilities if we don't accept this less-than-inflation wage offer."
Unions have been critical of Qantas' decision, announced last December, to outsource some of its heavy maintenance to Malaysia as part of a joint venture with Malaysia Airlines.
A Qantas spokesman said it had been standard practice for the airline to send about 15% of its heavy maintenance checks offshore for decades, with that work overseen by Australian licensed engineers.
"This aircraft has required additional maintenance work since returning to Australia in a number of areas, but is now in service and operating normally," the airline spokesman said.
■ Movement of rudder pedals was restricted.
■ Captain's instrument panel blacked out intermittently.
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quote ;; A medical was undertaken and the staff member was cleared and returned to work immediately, he said. end quote..
Do you really trust the Qantas medical center,sorry outsourced medical center to come up with any other conclusion other than to send the hostie back to work,i few years ago when H245 was still carrying out worlds best practice,an engineer was complaining of chest pains,so he was sent to this Qantas medical center only to be told he was fine.Turns out that after he returned to the hangar the pain became worse so he left for the day and went to see his own doctor.Well guess what ?
HE WAS HAVING A HEART ATTACK,yet another function that qantas outsourced that nearly cost some their life..
Do you really trust the Qantas medical center,sorry outsourced medical center to come up with any other conclusion other than to send the hostie back to work,i few years ago when H245 was still carrying out worlds best practice,an engineer was complaining of chest pains,so he was sent to this Qantas medical center only to be told he was fine.Turns out that after he returned to the hangar the pain became worse so he left for the day and went to see his own doctor.Well guess what ?
HE WAS HAVING A HEART ATTACK,yet another function that qantas outsourced that nearly cost some their life..
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Re the PA's being made to passengers about reasons for delays.... Seems a certain classic arrived late into Perth with an engine problem. The passengers waiting in the terminal were told it was due to the industrial action but a quick look outisde would have revealed an open engine cowl surrounded by engineers!
The lies continue....
(btw , why is this thread in the GA section not the airline section?)
The lies continue....
(btw , why is this thread in the GA section not the airline section?)
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Just found this inspirational site: The F.O.D. Control Corporation
In the interests of aviation safety, no more no less, there really should be more of their products around the workplace. Such as the following sticker:
or coffee, anyone?
and proactive, educational posters are needed everywhere:
Perhaps the ALAEA should suggest at the meetings this week a funding increase to cover this educational material? Say, a 2% increase?
(I just had a wry smile at the image of each ALAEA reps carrying the aforepictured coffee cup into the meeting..... Hmmm, perhaps you'd better not.)
Levity aside, hang in there boys. There are LOT of people on your side. Know it.
In the interests of aviation safety, no more no less, there really should be more of their products around the workplace. Such as the following sticker:
or coffee, anyone?
and proactive, educational posters are needed everywhere:
Perhaps the ALAEA should suggest at the meetings this week a funding increase to cover this educational material? Say, a 2% increase?
(I just had a wry smile at the image of each ALAEA reps carrying the aforepictured coffee cup into the meeting..... Hmmm, perhaps you'd better not.)
Levity aside, hang in there boys. There are LOT of people on your side. Know it.