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Old 29th Jun 2008, 10:29
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Meeting with the company now on Wednesday
This is the part now Steve where you announce the stop work meetings for Thursday and Friday. If they present an offer worth looking at, pull the stoppies. If not, persue them. By stalling their meetings to Wednesday, they have just bought another week!!!
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 10:37
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Stalling again???

They don't want to talk..they're just playing the game. Maybe we need to up the ante..
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 10:47
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what next ?? Sign out the aircraft or be fired
They can try.. but I'm sure there would be plenty of people who'd just love to have a go at them if they did!
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 10:50
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theres been what 40 plus meetings already they are just pissing everyone around.
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 10:51
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Time to give them 48hrs I say.
And while you are there don't forget
the shirts Steve

Maintain the Rage
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 11:02
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acslame,
Ask them if they'll get the guy who did the A380 interior to design you a shirt. The chinese version will look good after that.
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 11:06
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acslame,
Ask them if they'll get the guy who did the A380 interior to design you a shirt. The chinese version will look good after that.
Yeah because we can't get Yves to do us another one... RIP Yves...
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 11:07
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SP any chance you can record the audio at Wednesday's meeting so we can publish it on PPrune?
All those who would be interested say I?
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 11:09
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Totally agree

This is the part now Steve where you announce the stop work meetings for Thursday and Friday. If they present an offer worth looking at, pull the stoppies.
Dear Sue,
Stoppages for Thursday 3rd July are .....unless an offer worthy of membership review is offered.
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 11:16
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time to up the ante,48 hrs stoppages should be just around the corner
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 11:22
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Originally Posted by Talkwrench
...last time I checked, the media are not the ones that vote on the EBA when and if it finally gets presented for a vote. I thought it was the LAME's employed by Qantas that vote on the ALAEA/Qantas EBA8.
While they don't vote, the opinion of the public is important because it can change the effect on the company of Industrial Action. LAMEs can withhold labour from the company, which comes with certain costs (increased labour costs for alternative workers, increased costs from putting pax in hotels or on other carriers' flights when flights are delayed or cancelled, reduced income from fewer bookings and possibly reduced freight loads as a result of decreased reliability). The paying public can increase those costs to QF by choosing other carriers in support of the LAMEs even when QF flights are available. That makes the money spent on alternative labour 'more expensive', and means delaying settlement is more painful because more customers will return as soon as action ceases even though services will remain disrupted for a while.

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What do most LAMEs expect to do once the EBA's signed? Assuming you succeed with the 5% and get the conditions you ask for, what will the attitude be? I don't expect anyone to trust the company for a long time - it seems to me that many QF staff have no trust in any level of management - but will management be given the support they need to do their job? Again, I'm not suggesting the management will do the right thing, but if they aren't given room to move by the people on the floor then it's certain they can't.

It's my guess (and perhaps I'm giving management too much credit for forethought here) that management don't trust the LAMEs to return to work with any goodwill even if they give everything that's being asked of them. If that's true, then what's the motivation to concede to the ALAEA? Not saying that management being convinced that the ALAEA is negotiating in good faith is sufficent for success, just necessary.

What would QF need to offer to secure the LAMEs full co-operation after signing a new EBA? Is 5% enough? Or will a change in management be required too? Is that a realistic demand?
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 11:41
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Yes That's What It Will Take
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 12:46
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Deferred Meeting?

Am I reading correctly? Has the scheduled meeting between the ALAEA and QF management been deferred from Monday to Wednesday 2 July?

I haven't received anything from the association about this.

What's the excuse this time? The company need more time to get alternative workers and management in place, or are they building up to a massive boo hoo campaign to the public to smear the LAME's more than they already have?
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 14:24
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Please can I take 4hrs off Steve?
(Don't forget the shirts)
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 14:30
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Old Trojan saying
"Beware Greeks bearing gifts"

List of things to do today

1. Keep pressure on management to do more than "just manage'
2. Report all defects no matter how great or small to all required departments
3. Always consult eQ, Read and Signs, Email before starting work.
4. Do not plan ahead, one step at a time and always use the appropriate references
4. Note all defects that are wipe-spread and inform all LAMEs
5. Support each other with soliadrity and acknowledgment





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Old 29th Jun 2008, 14:39
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We will settle for

An extra weeks annual leave per year or a 9 day fortnight

An extra level for each LAME

4% per annum or CPI whichever is higher

King Gee clothing

Salary sacrifice super and 1% for all accumulation funds

1% risk managed against Company profit every year from now on

All sparkies to be tarred and feathered (Did I say that out aloud ?)

NPW
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 17:33
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Shirts & Sparkies

acslame - wot is it with the shirts?

NPW nice idea re the sparkies.
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 21:22
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We were more than happy for meeting to get moved until Wednesday so our full EBA comm could attend. Now is the time to show patience guys. I have already told the press that this week would be free for negotiations, it is up to the company to make the most of that time.
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Old 29th Jun 2008, 23:27
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Mmmm, tax refund cheque just around the corner. Should see me get thru this crap and well into the new year. What about you GD, how long do u think u can make this last. Its hard to run an airline with no pax!

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Old 29th Jun 2008, 23:58
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Re: Mech-prentice post #3082

Gday Mech-prentice. I guess I can only speak for myself, but when EBA8 is signed and it delivers a 5% per annum increase to my base wage, Management will get my full cooperation and effort as a result.
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