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"the result for the company would have been much better had we come to an agreement with the LAME's union earlier"
That represents exactly the amount of short fall the market (the shareholders) had expected in the profit announcement. $1.1 Billion after tax dollars.
Just imagine how much would be up for grab by shareholders had all departments of QF pulled in the same direction.
Segmented Business Groups = Segmented Business Goals!
= Lost profit!Shame Geoff Shame.
Shame David Shame.
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to all concerned well done.as an ex H245 LAME i still can't believe that the LAME's grew a back bone, from the outside looking in it looks like you finally have a exec that are worth their weight in gold,unlike the last mob that let H245 close.
and finally to all the ex Qantas Lame's that didn't take up the Judest offer well done as you managed to give Qantas 1 final kick in the guts.
and finally to all the ex Qantas Lame's that didn't take up the Judest offer well done as you managed to give Qantas 1 final kick in the guts.
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Too bad Geoff couldnt go without one last knife turn for the lames, I see he said that due to the alaea industrial ation that the company is still reeling from the effects. I dont think its the lames that have crippled the company ,More like inept management decisions.
Enjoy the bonus and EBA backpay, lets all do it again real soon say Jan 2010
Enjoy the bonus and EBA backpay, lets all do it again real soon say Jan 2010
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hi griffin, I could not care less about what GD says, he's gone and frankly from my observations the public have had enough of his moaning about everything and view his words with some skepticism.
It was reported yesterday that we'd agreed to the company's 3% offer.Again could not care less about what the news says, its what lands in my account every fortnight that matters.
We all know they made a big mess of this campaign and we largely got what we wanted.
We won a bit more , they lost big time, and both we, and they, know it.
That gives me quite a bit of satisfaction cos I know its $#!^^ing them so much.
It was reported yesterday that we'd agreed to the company's 3% offer.Again could not care less about what the news says, its what lands in my account every fortnight that matters.
We all know they made a big mess of this campaign and we largely got what we wanted.
We won a bit more , they lost big time, and both we, and they, know it.
That gives me quite a bit of satisfaction cos I know its $#!^^ing them so much.
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YouTube - queen we are the champions
YouTube - Crazy Frog - We are the champions (ding a dang dong) (with bump caps on)
Freddie says it all !!!
Till 2010
YouTube - Crazy Frog - We are the champions (ding a dang dong) (with bump caps on)
Freddie says it all !!!
Till 2010
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Domo - Gregg vocal
Yes Domo, well my spies tell me that Gregg was very strongly appossed to Dixon's stand against the engineers which also put him well offside with Clifford. Gregg felt that the Engineers claim was not unreasonable and was very vocal about it at the board meeting in New York and the damage it was doing to the company, especially given everything else that was going on. Its actually the main reason he got dropped for the big job in the end because Joyce, from the sidelines supported Dixon's postion. Of course it wasnt costing his business unit anything so it was a free hit for him, and typical of his divide and concour approach to almost everything. Most of the executive dont trust Joyce one little bit. The word is that the Headhunters actually recommended Gregg because he was a Qantas man, understood the culture of the main airline well, and a very keen strategic brain but Clifford didnt like the idea of somebody who would stand up to him.
Interesting times
Interesting times
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There can be no reconciliation where there is no open warfare.
There must be a battle, a brave boisterous battle, with pennants waving and cannon roaring, before there can be peaceful treaties and enthusiastic shaking of hands.
There must be a battle, a brave boisterous battle, with pennants waving and cannon roaring, before there can be peaceful treaties and enthusiastic shaking of hands.
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please credit your source when quoting
Idydir,
When you use others material it is very rude not to quote the source from where you obtained the quotation.
in some circles it is known as plagerism. If you get the info from a website cite as below
Mary Elizabeth Braddon Lady Audley’s Secret, ch. 32 (1862).
Not trying to be smart but this post is not your work.
When you use others material it is very rude not to quote the source from where you obtained the quotation.
in some circles it is known as plagerism. If you get the info from a website cite as below
Mary Elizabeth Braddon Lady Audley’s Secret, ch. 32 (1862).
Not trying to be smart but this post is not your work.
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Well how about this for a fitting tribute -
Thanks Napoleon.
And
Thanks Spanner.
..."Blackhanders"?
"When soldiers have been baptized in the fire of a battle-field, they have all one rank in my eyes."
And
United we stand....Divided we fall. From this day forward we are No longer Dockies or Line, No longer Cones or Blackhanders, No longer Red or Blue teams, No longer Base or Terminal, we are LAMEs, of our trade, from our sections, from our bases, LAMEs first, categories last.
..."Blackhanders"?
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Originally Posted by Clipped
"When soldiers have been baptized in the fire of a battle-field, they have all one rank in my eyes."
Originally Posted by idydir
There must be a battle, a brave boisterous battle, with pennants waving and cannon roaring, before there can be peaceful treaties and enthusiastic shaking of hands.
Don't draw parallels between people who serve their country at risk of life and limb and people who damage an Australian company and therefore the Australian economy for their own gain - whether you believe rightly or wrongly in what you did.
You withheld labour and caused hundreds of thousands of people travel delays, cost thousands of people money outside of QF , and caused financial loss to multiple businesses who had no beef in your battle for money. You did not leave your family for 9 months to several years. You did not venture into areas where people where motivated to kill or maim you.
A little perspective please - You work in a hangar on aircraft and safely return to your families and bed every night, there is no comparison between you and soldiers in battle and there never, ever will be.
Again, a little perspective on this please. Please Refresh yourself
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What a sour grape retort
Elperro, after the event and all that has gone on you still run out this old Dixon crap. Where do you get off suggesting that we a liking ourselves to War Heroes, utter rubbish we are just using time honoured cliches ie To the winners go the spoils
We did not hurt anybody in our campaign. What we did and this has been stated on numerous occasions during this robust debate, is ACTUALLY TAKE OUR ROSTERED DAYS OFF. No More No Less. We never withdrew our labour, our enthusiasm, our sense of humour, just our willingness to do OVERTIME.
On the other hand Mr Dixon, Mr Brown and Uncle Tom Cobbly and All in Management kept reporting to the public lies of monumental proportions, sent Aircraft overseas for substandard maintenance costing $$$$$ and Harassed, Bullied and Intimidated it's work force in contradiction to the companies proticols damaging worker management relations which we may never recover from. This did more damage than any overtime ban. So don't come the Raw Prawn with us just say well done boys and gracefully disappear into obsecurity.
Finally, well done Steve, Paul all involved at Bexley and to all the Lame's who showed this dictatorial Management Enough Is Enough
Signing off till EBA 9
D.P. (My Brain Hurts) Gumby
We did not hurt anybody in our campaign. What we did and this has been stated on numerous occasions during this robust debate, is ACTUALLY TAKE OUR ROSTERED DAYS OFF. No More No Less. We never withdrew our labour, our enthusiasm, our sense of humour, just our willingness to do OVERTIME.
On the other hand Mr Dixon, Mr Brown and Uncle Tom Cobbly and All in Management kept reporting to the public lies of monumental proportions, sent Aircraft overseas for substandard maintenance costing $$$$$ and Harassed, Bullied and Intimidated it's work force in contradiction to the companies proticols damaging worker management relations which we may never recover from. This did more damage than any overtime ban. So don't come the Raw Prawn with us just say well done boys and gracefully disappear into obsecurity.
Finally, well done Steve, Paul all involved at Bexley and to all the Lame's who showed this dictatorial Management Enough Is Enough
Signing off till EBA 9
D.P. (My Brain Hurts) Gumby
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Don't draw parallels between people who serve their country at risk of life and limb and people who damage an Australian company and therefore the Australian economy for their own gain - whether you believe rightly or wrongly in what you did.
You withheld labour and caused hundreds of thousands of people travel delays, cost thousands of people money outside of QF , and caused financial loss to multiple businesses who had no beef in your battle for money.
You withheld labour and caused hundreds of thousands of people travel delays, cost thousands of people money outside of QF , and caused financial loss to multiple businesses who had no beef in your battle for money.
Have a cry, get over it. I think you are getting it way out of proportion.
Take it up with Dicko and co if there were losses or damage or can they do no wrong? This is all part of management so who's problem is that? We did our job but no more we are a free country. That's what is returned for your pay and no more. Life's a bitch, we must all play the sad game to receive a fair outcome. (except management of many companies who just dictate reward rather than earn it.)
I don't know many who would keeping going above and beyond for below standard inflation increases including yourself.
Maybe though you are in QF management, that would be a great location where you could live by your ethics and have no impact on others if you didn't do anything?
Supply and demand lives on. Can't have it both ways sunshine!
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Take a chill pill ... we have every right to reflect on OUR battle, within the repressive regimes we fought.
There is NO parallel with those that lost lives. Only you are making such assumptions.
I've used words spoken by a great leader, ONLY. In OUR context.
You're either an uptight a##shole or a Qantas manager or both.
There is NO parallel with those that lost lives. Only you are making such assumptions.
I've used words spoken by a great leader, ONLY. In OUR context.
You're either an uptight a##shole or a Qantas manager or both.
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Clipped, I'm glad you are happy with the results but you must admit, this rah rah rhetoric is akin to waving the "little red book" of the Cultural Revolution. Getting old is mandatory, growing up is optional.
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Well done to all.
I wonder if the new company management will see fit to turn E and M back into the world respected powerhouse that it once was.
Unfortunately it is only a shadow of its former self right now.
With a little bit of foresight and a reasonable injection of cash and not too mention a recruitment drive QF could rebuil and regain the vast experience they threw away.
I noticed they are recruiting for apprentices for 2009, it better be a huge intake to make up for the shortfall of AMEs and LAMEs they let go over the past few years.
I wonder if the new company management will see fit to turn E and M back into the world respected powerhouse that it once was.
Unfortunately it is only a shadow of its former self right now.
With a little bit of foresight and a reasonable injection of cash and not too mention a recruitment drive QF could rebuil and regain the vast experience they threw away.
I noticed they are recruiting for apprentices for 2009, it better be a huge intake to make up for the shortfall of AMEs and LAMEs they let go over the past few years.
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i dought it superlame aren't they about to send another 3 or 4 aircraft to Asia for Heavy checks,your dispute did nothing to stop the outsourcing it was only for a pay rise.
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It will take a huge change of attude from QF management to rectify the damage done to Engineering & Maintenance. This dispute only highlighted the contempt with which current management view the workers. Yes, the company needs to make a profit, but current plans seem to be too short sighted. At present this company does not offer attractive wages or career opportunities for young people who have the intellect and aptitude needed to properly maintain modern passenger aircraft.
This leaves the current ageing work force to try to keep things going, but a lot of them are just biding there time, until they can retire comfortably.
Go to the CASA website and look at the average age of a LAME in Australia, LAMEs over 40 years of age form the largest group. Interestingly there seems to be no info on numbers or ages of AMEs.
The future of QF E&M is hanging in the balance, it needs a huge injection of AMEs to keep it from falling over.................and that is just the beginning........
This leaves the current ageing work force to try to keep things going, but a lot of them are just biding there time, until they can retire comfortably.
Go to the CASA website and look at the average age of a LAME in Australia, LAMEs over 40 years of age form the largest group. Interestingly there seems to be no info on numbers or ages of AMEs.
The future of QF E&M is hanging in the balance, it needs a huge injection of AMEs to keep it from falling over.................and that is just the beginning........
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