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How about getting some of those security guys involved when we discover suspect wiring on aircraft out of overseas MRO's.
For Christ Sake (Sorry WYD disciples) lets get real and back to the real problems we're encountering not trivial crap.
For Christ Sake (Sorry WYD disciples) lets get real and back to the real problems we're encountering not trivial crap.
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Heard word that a contractor stumbled across "illegal wiring"
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ALAEA Vs QF Management Meeting Today
Steve I think some timely road shows of our own might not be out of order as a lot of the members are seeing a pastern develop again of stall and same old same old from this management team.
I agree with you we are not privy to a lot of the tactics and behind the scenes meetings you blokes are having, but sometimes when we see the Management rubbish us in the press with lies and hand out letters to passengers, on delayed/canceled flights, with direct reference to engineers (going slow) being the cause of their delay, without any rebuttal from the Union, is getting a bit hard to swallow.
We're not buckling, far from it, but another timely meeting as mentioned above would help guys air their problems and have the Executive inform us that these things are under control or are being looked at etc...
Just a quick rant after reading todays email and the WYD let off for the Company to save face with the Pontiff. I can't believe their playing the religious card, whilst dealing with their workers in a most unholy manner.
I agree with you we are not privy to a lot of the tactics and behind the scenes meetings you blokes are having, but sometimes when we see the Management rubbish us in the press with lies and hand out letters to passengers, on delayed/canceled flights, with direct reference to engineers (going slow) being the cause of their delay, without any rebuttal from the Union, is getting a bit hard to swallow.
We're not buckling, far from it, but another timely meeting as mentioned above would help guys air their problems and have the Executive inform us that these things are under control or are being looked at etc...
Just a quick rant after reading todays email and the WYD let off for the Company to save face with the Pontiff. I can't believe their playing the religious card, whilst dealing with their workers in a most unholy manner.
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Jethro, Patience is the game plan now. We have shown the company that we are united and resolved in our goals. Stick to the strategy the Fed Exc has developed. To all, we have started a journey with a worthy cause with a ban on excessive hours only, and remember……. Slowly, slowly catch a GD.
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Re your Secretary's announcement. I belive that he is a total narcissist and will lead you to a path of destruction. The only way to win a dispute of this magnitude is all out full action.
The longer this goes on the more chance that you will fail, not sure how many of you rely on O/T etc, both sides are feeling the pain , the only differrence is the company has more money. The dispute has draggeed on too long, the secretary is getting paid and O/T bans dont hurt him
The Federal Secretary keeps refering to the dispute being debated in parliment each day last week , below is the link to the Hansard re Question time, so make your minds up, 1 questions does not make a debate. I cannot find any debates he referes to but am happy to be corrected. Perhaps he has political ambitions am not sure.
Hansard - House of Representatives
The longer this goes on the more chance that you will fail, not sure how many of you rely on O/T etc, both sides are feeling the pain , the only differrence is the company has more money. The dispute has draggeed on too long, the secretary is getting paid and O/T bans dont hurt him
The Federal Secretary keeps refering to the dispute being debated in parliment each day last week , below is the link to the Hansard re Question time, so make your minds up, 1 questions does not make a debate. I cannot find any debates he referes to but am happy to be corrected. Perhaps he has political ambitions am not sure.
Hansard - House of Representatives
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What is the purpose of removing Amos2/Obie2 from this thread? I believe that he/them has every right to express his views in this thread.(whether good or bad). It appears that if anyone expresses views against the majority pro view of the thread agenda then they are simply intimidated and removed. PPrune is starting to show lack of integrity and transparency for the purpose of this forum website. I would assume that the operators would encourage as many people as possible to particiapte in your site, hence all the more revenue from ads that are displayed everywhere. And yes IP addresses are a wonderful thing. Remember IP addresses are not necessarily fixed and are often dynamic and easily changed.
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This Is Getting Ridiculous
EIGHTEEN MONTHS AGO 5% SEEMED LIKE A REASONABLE OUTCOME.
That was a long time ago.
NOW, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I, FOR ONE WILL NOT VOTE YES FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN 10%
Other operators are offering at least this amount.
The cost of living is going up, day by day, on everything that we do.
Look at the price of groceries, power, fuel and everything else. They are all going through the roof.
If our Union think that the status quo of our original claim will stay the same, they need to have more feedback meetings with us before even trying to negotiate another substandard Offer In Principal again.
It is not the Licenced Engineers fault that this fiasco has gone on for this long without settlement. It is squarely on Qantas’ shoulders what will transpire from here on. The shareholders are not going to be happy.
That was a long time ago.
NOW, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I, FOR ONE WILL NOT VOTE YES FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN 10%
Other operators are offering at least this amount.
The cost of living is going up, day by day, on everything that we do.
Look at the price of groceries, power, fuel and everything else. They are all going through the roof.
If our Union think that the status quo of our original claim will stay the same, they need to have more feedback meetings with us before even trying to negotiate another substandard Offer In Principal again.
It is not the Licenced Engineers fault that this fiasco has gone on for this long without settlement. It is squarely on Qantas’ shoulders what will transpire from here on. The shareholders are not going to be happy.
What is the purpose of removing Amos2/Obie2 from this thread? I believe that he/them has every right to express his views in this thread.(whether good or bad). It appears that if anyone expresses views against the majority pro view of the thread agenda then they are simply intimidated and removed. PPrune is starting to show lack of integrity and transparency for the purpose of this forum website. I would assume that the operators would encourage as many people as possible to particiapte in your site, hence all the more revenue from ads that are displayed everywhere. And yes IP addresses are a wonderful thing. Remember IP addresses are not necessarily fixed and are often dynamic and easily changed.
Do any of his posts do anything except try to stir up trouble ?
Why is a retired pilot so interested in giving his opinion ?
Why does he need to have 2 alias's to get his point across ?
Generally, most connections these days are broadband, those IP addresses remain fairly static, unlikely to change, and when they do, the last 3 digits possibly 4 digits might change, they still belong to the same ISP.
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Who cares if IP addresses change....mods of boards similar to this have other tools for tracking, I dare-say these guys do too.
Simple, if you get multiple nics for the purpose of stirring sh*t you'll find yourself on the outer.
Simple, if you get multiple nics for the purpose of stirring sh*t you'll find yourself on the outer.
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Quote" Generally, most connections these days are broadband".Not me I'm still Dial up.Steve,I've been talking to the VB and JQ guys there is no contigency plan by QF .These blokes will need 1000 Lames minimum to work the QF system.VB and JQ don't even have half this.If QF r 2 succeed in any plan it will need CASA backing.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Sorry mate I don't want to appear rude but your kinda right. IP addresses do remain reasonably static with broadband cos people usually leave it always connected, the IP address will always change if a reconnection occurs unless yr paying for a static.Anyway while I've got your attention just wondering, you have been debating on this thread about 5% pay increase. The unions tactic has been o/t ban and 4 hour stoppages to force qf's hand.Have you ever considered that it may cost you a loss of 10% pay to get 5%? ie,deduction of average o/t worked and 4 hour stoppages. At this stage from my rough workings that some Engineers may have already lost the first years 5% and started on the 2nd. I don't think anyone will win Net) out of this debacle, the union can't back down or they will disapoint and lose membership. Then again I suppose for some its no longer about money. Everytime I bring up this fact in this thread it is met with stun silence. Remember that the your union has an agenda also, which is survival, which will kick in when they try to convince you that "this is the best we could do for you, please accept it." The union is a business and must constantly weigh up the risk balance to defend members and survival, I know of this experience first hand from the ALAEA a couple of years ago. The union must remain solvent to fight for you again another day as EBA 9 is just around the corner. Your union prelonging the debate will cost the membership more and more money to be involved ie.o/t bans and asking CASA to cancel QF CAR 35 authority probably won't help.Once all the bravado from both sides is over I think the costs for the result will surely not be worth it for most of the ALAEA members and QF. I'm not union bashing here and certainly not pro QF or saying give in but just analysing a few points for consideration so you know where you stand to make future decisions.
And FOG, NICs have nothing to do with your ISP IP address allocation and yes i don't really care too.
And FOG, NICs have nothing to do with your ISP IP address allocation and yes i don't really care too.
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Back to the EBA...
Guys n Gals..we have been patient thus far. A little information can be a dangerous thing; especially when used incorrectly.
Don't believe everything you hear or read unless it comes from the mouth of an ALAEA Rep or has an ALAEA letter head and signature.
Misinformation is contagious. Stay the course and be patient. We need to trust in the efforts and the strategy of our Executive and not pre-empt tactics or outcomes.
It's easy to be frustrated at what we see as stalling, but as Fed Sec said, there is so much more that we are not privy to.
And in all seriousness, whilst it also confounded me a little when I first heard of it, the decision to not act during WYD/school hols etc shows the public that we are genuine in not wanting to subject the public to any more inconvenience than is absolutely necessary. Public support and perception may yet prove to be a crucial weapon in our arsenal.
Some may not agree and that is their prerogative.
Don't believe everything you hear or read unless it comes from the mouth of an ALAEA Rep or has an ALAEA letter head and signature.
Misinformation is contagious. Stay the course and be patient. We need to trust in the efforts and the strategy of our Executive and not pre-empt tactics or outcomes.
It's easy to be frustrated at what we see as stalling, but as Fed Sec said, there is so much more that we are not privy to.
And in all seriousness, whilst it also confounded me a little when I first heard of it, the decision to not act during WYD/school hols etc shows the public that we are genuine in not wanting to subject the public to any more inconvenience than is absolutely necessary. Public support and perception may yet prove to be a crucial weapon in our arsenal.
Some may not agree and that is their prerogative.
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Colonel, I appreciate your arguement that those that regularly do O/T are not making as much money during PIA. But really mate, you cannot rely on OT to pay bills. Especially when QF is constantly trying to reduce costs by abolishing it. When you have'nt had a pay increase in 2 and a half years, its easy for someone to rely on OT more and more without noticing it. And this is not right or fair. Where will these ppl be when OT dries up?
The only thing you can rely on is a fair basic pay. I know licensed guys earning below 70k, and thats with shift!!!
We are not asking the earth, just trying to honestly keep our heads above water.
The only thing you can rely on is a fair basic pay. I know licensed guys earning below 70k, and thats with shift!!!
We are not asking the earth, just trying to honestly keep our heads above water.
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Can't change tack now
EIGHTEEN MONTHS AGO 5% SEEMED LIKE A REASONABLE OUTCOME.
That was a long time ago.
NOW, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I, FOR ONE WILL NOT VOTE YES FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN 10%
Other operators are offering at least this amount.
The cost of living is going up, day by day, on everything that we do.
Look at the price of groceries, power, fuel and everything else. They are all going through the roof.
If our Union think that the status quo of our original claim will stay the same, they need to have more feedback meetings with us before even trying to negotiate another substandard Offer In Principal again.
It is not the Licenced Engineers fault that this fiasco has gone on for this long without settlement. It is squarely on Qantas’ shoulders what will transpire from here on. The shareholders are not going to be happy.
That was a long time ago.
NOW, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I, FOR ONE WILL NOT VOTE YES FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN 10%
Other operators are offering at least this amount.
The cost of living is going up, day by day, on everything that we do.
Look at the price of groceries, power, fuel and everything else. They are all going through the roof.
If our Union think that the status quo of our original claim will stay the same, they need to have more feedback meetings with us before even trying to negotiate another substandard Offer In Principal again.
It is not the Licenced Engineers fault that this fiasco has gone on for this long without settlement. It is squarely on Qantas’ shoulders what will transpire from here on. The shareholders are not going to be happy.
On another note, if anyone watched Air Crash Investigation tonight, you'd have noticed that the cause of the AA DC-10 at Chicago back in the 70's was caused by management shortening a pylon inspection check which saved them 200 man hours per aeroplane, therefore saving the shareholders a great deal of cost (in the short-term). This unfortunately led to the deaths of all 273 people on board, the loss of an aeroplane and the share price diving 20%. Sounds like this is being revisited by FOG FOD with maintenance being out sourced to save the shareholders some money to increase profits.
Maybe our management need to watch some of these shows to understand the consequences of their actions, not ours.
Due to the talks collapsing today between the ALAEA and QF management, looks like we'll have to brace ourselves for a long drawn out saga that may not end too well for all involved.
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I can understand your frustration Take 5, but unfortunately, our claim all along has been 5%, no more-no less. To change this now will only blow ourselves out of the water, and get everyone off side with us, as we will be seen as being greedy, and give FOG FOD all the ammunition he needs to screw us to the ground and get his team of spin doctors working overtime to blacken our name for his cause.