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Gee more delays ,as an outsider LAME I would hope that no improved offer or more stalling tactics would be met with very harsh action by the ALAEA, surely they are on thier last chance by now!! 
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Fed Sec,,,,,,,, All you guys are doing a great job and we're eternally greatful, but if QF stuff us around on Wed then it will be a good time to come out with all guns blazing.
Hit the mongrels as hard as possible,, and in addition, , how about we
publicaly call for GD's resignation.
Lets have the media spotlight focus directly on GD and his inability to gain even the most basic of respect from his employees.
If GD ever has enough time and respect for his employees, ( and perhaps a dash of common sense ) then I'm sure that the great majority will batten down the hatches and do everything possible to help this company through difficult times.
WAKE UP GEOFF !!!!
Hit the mongrels as hard as possible,, and in addition, , how about we
publicaly call for GD's resignation.
Lets have the media spotlight focus directly on GD and his inability to gain even the most basic of respect from his employees.
If GD ever has enough time and respect for his employees, ( and perhaps a dash of common sense ) then I'm sure that the great majority will batten down the hatches and do everything possible to help this company through difficult times.
WAKE UP GEOFF !!!!
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Mech-prentice,
Working as a professional in Aviation, I do my job well because I am proud of what I do , sometimes in spite of management.
I consider that most engineers would be the same, proud and protective of what they do, and their reputation for doing it.
Qantas Engineering has a fantastic reputation. It is that pride that management in many industries have been cashing in on to earn their bonuses. They appreciate that people will put up with a lot of crap to defend their pride,cut staff, reduce wages, under-resource and professionals will continue to try and maintain their reputation, it is what defines them.
It seems to me the point was reached where the engineers decided our goodwill has been abused enough, and decided to push back, and fair enough.
I am sure that if this dispute is resolved fairly then these professionals will go back to doing what they do best, and continue to have pride in their work. It would be fruitless to have this dispute if they didn't.
Go the engineers!!!
Working as a professional in Aviation, I do my job well because I am proud of what I do , sometimes in spite of management.
I consider that most engineers would be the same, proud and protective of what they do, and their reputation for doing it.
Qantas Engineering has a fantastic reputation. It is that pride that management in many industries have been cashing in on to earn their bonuses. They appreciate that people will put up with a lot of crap to defend their pride,cut staff, reduce wages, under-resource and professionals will continue to try and maintain their reputation, it is what defines them.
It seems to me the point was reached where the engineers decided our goodwill has been abused enough, and decided to push back, and fair enough.
I am sure that if this dispute is resolved fairly then these professionals will go back to doing what they do best, and continue to have pride in their work. It would be fruitless to have this dispute if they didn't.
Go the engineers!!!
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max1.. well said! 
shagonarock.. patience. We have been patient up till now. I'm sure Fed Sec and the gang are on top of things. Let's let them do their job................................and then hit them with everything we've got!!! Haha!!
shagonarock.. patience. We have been patient up till now. I'm sure Fed Sec and the gang are on top of things. Let's let them do their job................................and then hit them with everything we've got!!! Haha!!
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All,
Its nice to have so much member support but remember to be patient and stop beating the war drums. The ALAEA Execs who have structured our campaign feel that we are in a strong position on all fronts to get you guys the best pay deal. We know a little more than is in the public forum and if we feel like it is time to step up the campaign or throttle it back, thats what we will do.
From the shop floor it may look like an ideal time to "make them pay" or "demand Dixons resignation" or "come out with all guns blazing". Please remember that the plan from here on in needs to fit in with a much bigger picture that we are looking at. Our EBA/PIA is being debated in Parliment every day, we have public perception to consider and we also know what is being said behind closed doors so please take it easy and let things run their natural course.
Its nice to have so much member support but remember to be patient and stop beating the war drums. The ALAEA Execs who have structured our campaign feel that we are in a strong position on all fronts to get you guys the best pay deal. We know a little more than is in the public forum and if we feel like it is time to step up the campaign or throttle it back, thats what we will do.
From the shop floor it may look like an ideal time to "make them pay" or "demand Dixons resignation" or "come out with all guns blazing". Please remember that the plan from here on in needs to fit in with a much bigger picture that we are looking at. Our EBA/PIA is being debated in Parliment every day, we have public perception to consider and we also know what is being said behind closed doors so please take it easy and let things run their natural course.
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Inflation hits 4.8% pa
HIGH fuel prices and soaring rents have caused inflation to reach its highest level in more than five years...
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Mr Fed Sec,
re your comment that the dispute is being debated in parliment every day.
I have watched every session on the ABC last week or so, i could be wrong but i think 2 questions where asked by the opposition and the 2 answers very very short and i think where nicely sidestepped by the government.
How can you call this a debate? i think you are misleading your members or have delusional tendancies.
re your comment that the dispute is being debated in parliment every day.
I have watched every session on the ABC last week or so, i could be wrong but i think 2 questions where asked by the opposition and the 2 answers very very short and i think where nicely sidestepped by the government.
How can you call this a debate? i think you are misleading your members or have delusional tendancies.
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Well I hope the company doesn't force us to do just that, stuntcock.
Fed Sec has called for patience so I'll do as I'm instructed.
BTW ALAEA Fed Sec and co..thanks for your efforts thus far. You have shown more ticker and purpose than previous execs (not that I want to disrespect previous leadership) and the way that the membership has united is a testament to your leadership. Well done!! We are fully behind you. 
Fed Sec has called for patience so I'll do as I'm instructed.
BTW ALAEA Fed Sec and co..thanks for your efforts thus far. You have shown more ticker and purpose than previous execs (not that I want to disrespect previous leadership) and the way that the membership has united is a testament to your leadership. Well done!!
We are fully behind you.
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Take the 3 and let is be!
Guys, Guys - you have all lost perspective - so what if we call for GD's resignation, do you think that will matter a toss to him or the board. Didint you read what the board said in New York? We are just giving GD a bigger and bigger stick to beat us with, and whatever else you might think he's or the other members of the executive team are not complete idiots - they will have plans which we are giving them the excuse to use. Do you have that much faith in the blokes (or is it a she?) out in front he association of t- do you honestly reckon they are smarter than the QF leadership - mate get serious.
By the way, GD is a labor man, always has been and always will be, a big time labor man and he has more connections in the party than the ALAEA. The rubbish about the Howard govt pandering to QF in fact is rubbish - GD did not have a good relationship with Howard/Costello at all - Thats the fact! I know the ALAEA wants us to beieve otherwise but its just the plain fact.
The bottom line is that the ALAEA leadership has got it just plain wrong. Read the papers guys theres a whole other world out there.
If the ALAEA leaders want a fight then they should go home and start another with their wives becuase maybe they can win
that one and leave us out - I got bills to pay.
By the way, GD is a labor man, always has been and always will be, a big time labor man and he has more connections in the party than the ALAEA. The rubbish about the Howard govt pandering to QF in fact is rubbish - GD did not have a good relationship with Howard/Costello at all - Thats the fact! I know the ALAEA wants us to beieve otherwise but its just the plain fact.
The bottom line is that the ALAEA leadership has got it just plain wrong. Read the papers guys theres a whole other world out there.
If the ALAEA leaders want a fight then they should go home and start another with their wives becuase maybe they can win
that one and leave us out - I got bills to pay.
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Go Steve and the whole team , you have not let us down and its time for all to trust in the Team , when it comes down to it Qantas tactic of buggery has failed due to the fact that we have stock together . Lets not get divided and stick together and trust in the Exec Team.
Lets not loose sight of the original goal and not worry about asking for heads , we all know that they will fall and to rebuild this firm there will have to be a restucture.
Yes very interesting email from Adl maybe it needed some "smiles" attached
Lets not loose sight of the original goal and not worry about asking for heads , we all know that they will fall and to rebuild this firm there will have to be a restucture.
Yes very interesting email from Adl maybe it needed some "smiles" attached
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I hate those shirts 'cause they don't fit right.
Bring back the KING GEE
And redhawk, riddle me this
If GD was such a labor man, why did he donate so
much of QF's money to the liberals?
Something to do with work choices maybe?
Maintain the Rage
Bring back the KING GEE
And redhawk, riddle me this
If GD was such a labor man, why did he donate so
much of QF's money to the liberals?
Something to do with work choices maybe?
Maintain the Rage
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Redhawk sounds like just another management troll trying to bignote himself to MH, could be the recently promoted G@#se from Perth.....
Funny how Sh!te only ends up in those positions.....
I guess he had some good training in perth though, being buggered by the big D*ck n all
Funny how Sh!te only ends up in those positions.....
I guess he had some good training in perth though, being buggered by the big D*ck n all
Redhawk:
Sorry mate, you are misinformed as to matters of fact.
1. Dixon claims the Board backs him. Boards back every CEO otherwise they immediately sack them. When Dixon states "the Board agrees with me", it's like saying "My wife loves me". What he is really doing is appealing to your reverence for the concept of authority of "The Board" which is irrelevant to employees anyway.
2. Your fear that the Management has "secret plans" my be true, so what? So does your association.
3. Is your executive smarter than Qantas management? Most definitely! Your executive and embers knw how to fix aircraft. Management once was drawn from the ranks of Pilots, CC and Engineers, and could speak with complete authority on these matters because they had practical, 3 am. hands on experience. Your current management are chumps with no experience.
4. I don't care if Dixon is a labor man or not. It's the Board that has and uses it's political connections and has had the previous Labor and Liberal Governments wrapped around it's little finger. They will try and do the same with this one. Have you ever seen a Director "work" the Chairman's lounge?
I think that some one has been whispering FUD(fear Uncertainty and Doubt) in your ear. Be a good fellow and talk to your reps and do exactly what they say.
Guys, Guys - you have all lost perspective - so what if we call for GD's resignation, do you think that will matter a toss to him or the board. Didint you read what the board said in New York? We are just giving GD a bigger and bigger stick to beat us with, and whatever else you might think he's or the other members of the executive team are not complete idiots - they will have plans which we are giving them the excuse to use. Do you have that much faith in the blokes (or is it a she?) out in front he association of t- do you honestly reckon they are smarter than the QF leadership - mate get serious.
By the way, GD is a labor man, always has been and always will be, a big time labor man and he has more connections in the party than the ALAEA. The rubbish about the Howard govt pandering to QF in fact is rubbish - GD did not have a good relationship with Howard/Costello at all - Thats the fact! I know the ALAEA wants us to beieve otherwise but its just the plain fact.
The bottom line is that the ALAEA leadership has got it just plain wrong. Read the papers guys theres a whole other world out there.
If the ALAEA leaders want a fight then they should go home and start another with their wives becuase maybe they can win
that one and leave us out - I got bills to pay.
By the way, GD is a labor man, always has been and always will be, a big time labor man and he has more connections in the party than the ALAEA. The rubbish about the Howard govt pandering to QF in fact is rubbish - GD did not have a good relationship with Howard/Costello at all - Thats the fact! I know the ALAEA wants us to beieve otherwise but its just the plain fact.
The bottom line is that the ALAEA leadership has got it just plain wrong. Read the papers guys theres a whole other world out there.
If the ALAEA leaders want a fight then they should go home and start another with their wives becuase maybe they can win
that one and leave us out - I got bills to pay.
Sorry mate, you are misinformed as to matters of fact.
1. Dixon claims the Board backs him. Boards back every CEO otherwise they immediately sack them. When Dixon states "the Board agrees with me", it's like saying "My wife loves me". What he is really doing is appealing to your reverence for the concept of authority of "The Board" which is irrelevant to employees anyway.
2. Your fear that the Management has "secret plans" my be true, so what? So does your association.
3. Is your executive smarter than Qantas management? Most definitely! Your executive and embers knw how to fix aircraft. Management once was drawn from the ranks of Pilots, CC and Engineers, and could speak with complete authority on these matters because they had practical, 3 am. hands on experience. Your current management are chumps with no experience.
4. I don't care if Dixon is a labor man or not. It's the Board that has and uses it's political connections and has had the previous Labor and Liberal Governments wrapped around it's little finger. They will try and do the same with this one. Have you ever seen a Director "work" the Chairman's lounge?
I think that some one has been whispering FUD(fear Uncertainty and Doubt) in your ear. Be a good fellow and talk to your reps and do exactly what they say.
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Redhawk:
Yes, you are misinformed Redhawk.
Workchoices fighting fund set up by the Howard Government.
Who was the FIRST business to donate? That's right, your labor man GD.
If he's a labor man the Pope pole dances part-time.
By the way, GD is a labor man, always has been and always will be, a big time labor man and he has more connections in the party than the ALAEA. The rubbish about the Howard govt pandering to QF in fact is rubbish - GD did not have a good relationship with Howard/Costello at all - Thats the fact! I know the ALAEA wants us to beieve otherwise but its just the plain fact.
Workchoices fighting fund set up by the Howard Government.
Who was the FIRST business to donate? That's right, your labor man GD.
If he's a labor man the Pope pole dances part-time.