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Word around the office today had people talking about this being resolved at the meeting today by you guys backing down and accepting 3. I’ve got no idea why they were thinking this. I just shook my head in disbelief.
There was a real sense that this was going to be resolved, but I am not surprised at all that it is not. I really think they have no idea how determined you guys are, hence their thinking you are ready to roll over. I hope what the Fed Sec says, that they are closer to agreement behind the scenes, is true.
People are hurting out there around the network. One of the museum pieces, EBV, sh*t itself in MEL today, stranding dozens of international connections. As the duty manager said to me very forlornly, “I’m a bit busy at the moment, I have 400 people in front of me yelling!”
If a federal Labor government, elected on the back of basically a referendum on industrial relations, does anything less than support the ALAEA 100%, they better expect a single term. Are other EBAs debated in parliament? What is so special about this particular stoush that it needs parliamentary debate, other than supporting the engineers? Engineers who are highly skilled workers in a supposed skills shortage, who have had below inflation pay rises for nearly 10 years, while increasing their productivity, at the same time as the economy, and the company they work for have boomed,
Management in other industries have been getting hard ons listening to GD. A relative in a non skilled industry, has started EBA negotiations. He tells me that their management has offered 2%. Apparently they think that if GD can do it to his Engineers, wait to you see what they can do to their own employees!
There was a real sense that this was going to be resolved, but I am not surprised at all that it is not. I really think they have no idea how determined you guys are, hence their thinking you are ready to roll over. I hope what the Fed Sec says, that they are closer to agreement behind the scenes, is true.
People are hurting out there around the network. One of the museum pieces, EBV, sh*t itself in MEL today, stranding dozens of international connections. As the duty manager said to me very forlornly, “I’m a bit busy at the moment, I have 400 people in front of me yelling!”
For example, last week our EBA was debated nearly every day in Parliment. Decisions can be made about your future by many different people. We are walking down a very tight path
Management in other industries have been getting hard ons listening to GD. A relative in a non skilled industry, has started EBA negotiations. He tells me that their management has offered 2%. Apparently they think that if GD can do it to his Engineers, wait to you see what they can do to their own employees!
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From the World Youth Day official website
"WYD08 will be the largest event Australia has ever hosted. It will a
attract over 125,000 international visitors - more than the 2000 Olympics."
attract over 125,000 international visitors - more than the 2000 Olympics."
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Spent 40 yrs with you blokes, from a junior F/O to a senior captain on retirement. In all that time you were never more than a constant pain in the ass!
Glad to see the back of you!
Tried not to consider you as only grease monkeys but have to admit that I struggled with that!
And now, you're proving it!
Glad to see the back of you!
Tried not to consider you as only grease monkeys but have to admit that I struggled with that!
And now, you're proving it!
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From what I can see we don't need to take any work stoppages, the system is comming to a halt of it's own accord!!
We have waited this long, another few days, weeks or even a month or two won't make any real difference to us........as for GD and his Team on the other hand????
If QF fails to cope with WYD, then it's down to good management!! And nothing to do with us.
As the company says....'Take 5'%.
We have waited this long, another few days, weeks or even a month or two won't make any real difference to us........as for GD and his Team on the other hand????
If QF fails to cope with WYD, then it's down to good management!! And nothing to do with us.
As the company says....'Take 5'%.
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Gee Amos you must be a thorn amongst the roses. Most of the Tech Crew I have come across are grateful for the work that engineering do. You need to come down from your ivory tower a little more often I reckon.
I can't believe you made it all the way to the dizzying heights of snior captain with that attitude.
QF will no doubt be a much better compnay without you and your refreshing attitude, and on the way out why don't you take Dicko with you. You both seem to have alot in common.
I can't believe you made it all the way to the dizzying heights of snior captain with that attitude.
QF will no doubt be a much better compnay without you and your refreshing attitude, and on the way out why don't you take Dicko with you. You both seem to have alot in common.
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Feel sorry for losers like AMOS
I guess you are just lonley AMOS, will nobody talk to you?
Judging from your other posts it is clear you are crying for attention.
Have you tried the Samaritans?
Judging from your other posts it is clear you are crying for attention.
Have you tried the Samaritans?
To famously quote you amos2
back around may some time.
Now that we are walking the walk you're denigrating every engineer who works at currently, and worked at Qantas in your sheltered industrial life.
So I wonder, what are you actually doing in a thread about the LAMEs EBA negotiations ?
I know if I were retired I wouldn't be wasting my anger on some 2 bit wannabe mechanics. I'd possibly be out living a bit of life as it doesn't last forever.
Or are you one of those people that is only happy when they have the ****s with someone or something ?
Now look, if you lot are really as serious about this as you make out to be...
why on earth don't you do something about it?
Anybody can talk the talk...
about time you blokes walked the walk!
why on earth don't you do something about it?
Anybody can talk the talk...
about time you blokes walked the walk!
Now that we are walking the walk you're denigrating every engineer who works at currently, and worked at Qantas in your sheltered industrial life.
So I wonder, what are you actually doing in a thread about the LAMEs EBA negotiations ?
I know if I were retired I wouldn't be wasting my anger on some 2 bit wannabe mechanics. I'd possibly be out living a bit of life as it doesn't last forever.
Or are you one of those people that is only happy when they have the ****s with someone or something ?
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Hot Dog A bit of water in in and around the warmer plates would do it,as would any number of things if the gally wasnt earthed.. No earth = no earth leakage.
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Grease
Grease me up old fella Im going in!
best of luck to you amos2 its nice to see you did it all yourself
must have been a bit squeeky and rusty without the lube.anyway sound like you dont need to worry about us anymore....go FISHING
best of luck to you amos2 its nice to see you did it all yourself
must have been a bit squeeky and rusty without the lube.anyway sound like you dont need to worry about us anymore....go FISHING
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Yes Amos, to the likes of you we would have seemed little more than
pains in the ass.
All we ever did was fix YOUR aircraft
And the hosties were just there to serve YOUR dinner.
The rampies were only there to get YOUR bag for you.
The counter staff only there to give you YOUR first class boarding pass.
Really Amos,
It does look like life was all about you.
I refrain from my next statement which included words like pompous,
old and fool.
pains in the ass.
All we ever did was fix YOUR aircraft
And the hosties were just there to serve YOUR dinner.
The rampies were only there to get YOUR bag for you.
The counter staff only there to give you YOUR first class boarding pass.
Really Amos,
It does look like life was all about you.
I refrain from my next statement which included words like pompous,
old and fool.
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Today's Meeting
QF: 07412008
2nd July 2008
RE: EBA UPDATE 2nd JULY
Today's Meeting
The meeting between the parties was much in the same vein as previous ones with Qantas
claiming that a wage claim of 5% was excessive and ALAEA Officials highlighting that
increases up to 50% were considered reasonable when Executive and Manager
remuneration was under consideration. A further review of the current position and how
we got there was undertaken and no offer above that from January placed on the table.
The ALAEA did get the impression that Qantas were looking for us to help them resolve
the dispute. It was highlighted that many variations of our wage system had already been
rejected by the airline and it was now Qantas's turn to manufacture a solution. The
ALAEA were at least pleased that the word "solution" was being bandied around.
The Next Few Weeks
Senior Officials have had some interesting conversations/debates in the last couple of days
about our strategies and where our campaign should now turn. One thing that is forever
present is the Qantas claim that they have contingencies to counter our Protected Industrial
Action. This may be true but there is an assumption from Qantas Managers right now that
they know what our next move will be. They don't and their assumptions will be wrong.
The attached press release was issued today. What is not outlined is the extensive planning
that we are undertaking to ensure that our campaign beyond World Youth Day is effective,
bypasses all of Qantas's contingency plans, is legal and most certainly would not be
something the airline expects or wants to see.
Until then members should continue to work as they normally would, strictly to the
procedures and remember - Qantas don't like the waiting game. We will not be provoked
to act when they expect it. This dispute will be played out on our terms and the best tool
we have is called patience. Stay tuned for announcements over the coming weeks.
STEPHEN PURVINAS
Federal Secretary
2nd July 2008
RE: EBA UPDATE 2nd JULY
Today's Meeting
The meeting between the parties was much in the same vein as previous ones with Qantas
claiming that a wage claim of 5% was excessive and ALAEA Officials highlighting that
increases up to 50% were considered reasonable when Executive and Manager
remuneration was under consideration. A further review of the current position and how
we got there was undertaken and no offer above that from January placed on the table.
The ALAEA did get the impression that Qantas were looking for us to help them resolve
the dispute. It was highlighted that many variations of our wage system had already been
rejected by the airline and it was now Qantas's turn to manufacture a solution. The
ALAEA were at least pleased that the word "solution" was being bandied around.
The Next Few Weeks
Senior Officials have had some interesting conversations/debates in the last couple of days
about our strategies and where our campaign should now turn. One thing that is forever
present is the Qantas claim that they have contingencies to counter our Protected Industrial
Action. This may be true but there is an assumption from Qantas Managers right now that
they know what our next move will be. They don't and their assumptions will be wrong.
The attached press release was issued today. What is not outlined is the extensive planning
that we are undertaking to ensure that our campaign beyond World Youth Day is effective,
bypasses all of Qantas's contingency plans, is legal and most certainly would not be
something the airline expects or wants to see.
Until then members should continue to work as they normally would, strictly to the
procedures and remember - Qantas don't like the waiting game. We will not be provoked
to act when they expect it. This dispute will be played out on our terms and the best tool
we have is called patience. Stay tuned for announcements over the coming weeks.
STEPHEN PURVINAS
Federal Secretary
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Originally Posted by Syd eng
Any truth that there is some **** going down in base maint tonight?
Corp Security involved?
Corp Security involved?
It was all entirely unrelated to the industrial action, but I'd speculate the 'energetic' reaction by security and the way all the engineers interpreted the presence of security was effected by the tense atmosphere on base at the moment.
* - "Illegal wiring" in this case may or may not refer to an extension cord.