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Old 15th May 2008, 06:55
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I fully support you guys but I wouldn't put to much faith in the ACTU taking instructions from the government to your advantage. The last thing the government wants is a wage breakout so I wouldn't count on any support from them for your 5%. The ACTU may be different but after waiting so long for their side to get back in to government they may not be too keen to get everybody 5% as well (of course they would be happy with 5%, but not the message it sends to everyone else).
I do believe in a profitable company with the board getting MASSIVE pay rises that you do deserve way more than 3%!!!!
It will be interesting to see the next move!
Best of luck in improving everyones working conditions!!!
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Geoff Dixon, you've got nerve, $2.9 million of it

Check out this article from Crickey.com
http://www.crikey.com.au/Business/20...off-Dixon.html


TUESDAY, 11 SEPTEMBER 2007

Glenn Dyer writes:


It's all rather amazing: the Qantas board and senior management, after nearly selling out the company and shareholders by endorsing and actively promoting the failed $5.45 a share offer from Airline Partners Australia, rewards themselves very nicely for doing their job and managing the company.

They've gone and paid themselves more for the 2007 year, despite ignoring rising concerns from shareholders that the company was being given away too cheaply.


The high pay is dominated by increased cash bonuses to the two executive directors, CEO Geoff Dixon and Chief Financial Office, Peter Gregg.

Mr Dixon, was paid $6.7 million, up on the previous year's amount of $5.3 million. His pay was boosted by a cash bonus of $2.9 million, compared to around $1 million the year before.

That bonus because of the 53% rise in earnings, the 11% higher revenues and 8% rise in costs and from the sharp improvement in passenger numbers.

This is a board and senior management which had to be forced to provide trading updates during the bid which showed clearly the rebound in Qantas' fortunes and it was only an act of greedy stupidity by a New York hedge fund which sunk the offer when it was closing in early May.

The 2007 Qantas annual report reveals that directors have capped the volatile past 12 months (of their own making) by giving themselves a $2.2 million pay rise. That's $13.26 million, or up 21.8% on the pay in 2006.

The impact of this heady combination on Qantas' bottom line was something Dixon, Jackson and the board tried to hold back from the market during the bid.

Dixon had told a press conference in August that had the APA bid gone ahead he would have been "richer": how much more money do you need than the $6.4 million in total he received in 2007?

Chief Financial Officer, Peter Gregg, received $4.1 million in total remuneration, including a cash bonus of $1.49 million. He was another who threw his lot in with the buyout gang led by Macquarie Bank.

And another member of the Qantas management group involved in the bid was the head of airline ops, John Boghetti. He's not a director, but the annual report shows his total remuneration was $4.08 million, including a cash bonus of $1.38 million.

Departing chairman, Margaret Jackson, took home $592,000, compared with $534,747 previously, despite her strong recommendation in favor of the failed bid.

PBL boss and Qantas non-executive director, James Packer, has been rewarded with $136,350: that's money he didn't need after PBL got a $3 million tax credit from selling 50% of PBL Media for $1.5 billion.
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Old 15th May 2008, 07:48
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Well done fedsec

Excellent skills yet again,we have shown yet again that we are professionals
and immune to threats and name calling and whatever else they want to do.
Have a look at the support our executive are getting-must be somewhere near the 81% that the vote showed!
If the association believe that SHARAN BURROWS stepping in is good news-then so do we.We believe what we are being told,we believe in our professionalism and show it every day and we believe we are worth a FAIR wage rise.
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Old 15th May 2008, 07:50
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Nice move today. If we the members don't know which way the 'ball' is going to spin, what chance have the opposition?
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Well, I must say, when I read the news that "Ms Burrow said the engineers would be willing to accept a rise somewhere in between the 5 per" and worse still, something along the lines of Engineers accepting 3%, I was blown away. However, I thought I'd wait for a response from the ALAEA before making a judgement.

I'm glad I did. Once again, the media has proven themselves as completely obsessed with mis-reporting! Lets see how things go next week!
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Old 15th May 2008, 09:20
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As the Fed Sec said: "expect the unexpected"

Duck and weave, duck and weave... nice work. keep it up.
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Old 15th May 2008, 09:51
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Master Stroke

This is a game of chess. Today the ALAEA took a pawn and a bishop. Then quite unbelievably, whilst the players were away from the board taking a break, almighty god filled it with fog and delays. Upon return, Qantas was disorientated by lack of foresight and sent their Queen Dick out to investigate, all the while telling untruths in an attempt to sway public opinion. Then wham! The realisation hit. He was out front with his pants down..... Back he retreated to fight another day. Perhaps lamenting his non adherance of one simple law of combat. Better to keep you mouth shut and be thought the fool, than known it. DC could have told you that! Right Mr B.... Public relations disaster personified. Oh look, here comes another one! Its called tomorrow!

Patience my friends, have faith, be logical, and enjoy the ride, this bully is going down on the count of five!

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Old 15th May 2008, 11:03
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GDay MEN!

Haven't been on for a while - have been on training.

Now which analogy will I use first?

3 wickets in the first over but the Captain still says we can get 500?

Dropped the ball on the kick off, but there's plenty of time left?

Kicked an own goal?

Faltered at the first hurdle?

Choked on the putt?

How embarrasing.

Not one rank and file LAME has any clue what is going on. No notice of any meeting. A late cancellation? The ACTU?

A ploy?

Absolute rubbish and you guys know it. You can post your justifying support, but you and I know that the Fed Exec was whacked PUBLICLY by the ACTU (probably at Rudd or Gillard's instruction).

Burrows DID say LAMEs will accept a lesser deal than 5%. The ALAEA Notice of tonight directly contradicts that. Would that have happened if the ALAEA and the ACTU were working together? NO WAY!

Just fanciful.

What will happen now is the ACTU and Qantas will settle a deal at less than the 5% the muscle men said we should get.

Fed Sec and Fed Pres will sit and do as they are told.

How much will Rudd do to stop a 5% flow on to all big unions around AUS?

I'd bet a fair bit.

We are now in very big trouble.

The good news is with that incredible display of incompetence, there is no way the Fed Sec will ever represent the people in a political role. Wonder what career now? Maybe he can work in Malaysia! (I smiled when I wrote that).

Good night tough guys. You are the ones who fit the dictionary definitions on the other thread.
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Old 15th May 2008, 11:15
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81%

Trustee, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. But hey, credit where its due. This guy is like the Pide Piper. 81% of unwavered support over 6 months. Peaked at 87% mind you. Perhaps, like the rest of us, you can here the tune of fairness and justification he is playing. If so, there is just one thing for you to do. Put your hands on the shoulders of the colleague marching in line in front of you, and dance to the tune. You know its right. May even get you to heaven. On second thought, maybe not.

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Old 15th May 2008, 11:17
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Trustee

Your post will get what it deserves-NO RESPONSE.
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Old 15th May 2008, 11:17
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AIPA support!

Proposed Industrial Action by LAMEs

You will, of course, be aware of the proposed protected industrial action to
be taken by the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA)
in the course of their enterprise bargaining negotiations with Qantas
Management. Overtime bans and stop work meetings have been proposed as part
of the industrial action due to take place over the next two weeks. Given
the seriousness of the situation, I thought it best to contact all AIPA
members and outline my approach to these events:

1. The ALAEA Claim is Economically Sustainable
At a time of record profits, record passenger numbers and favourable fuel
hedging arrangements, Qantas Management can afford to pay the 5% claim being
made by the ALAEA. During strong economic times such as these, the LAMEs are
entitled to be recognised for the contribution they make to the prosperity
of Qantas.

Put together with the fact that there is an ongoing shortage of skilled
engineering labour, the 5% claim appears very reasonable.

2. The Use of an Alternative Workforce
Earlier today, the ALAEA publicly announced that Qantas Management had been
recruiting "strike breakers" for use should the proposed industrial action
go ahead. Qantas CEO, Geoff Dixon, responded that he intended to use Qantas
staff to deal with any disruptions flowing from stop-work meetings to be
held tomorrow and next Friday. However, Geoff Dixon also said that he
reserved the right of Qantas Management to use whatever means necessary
should the dispute escalate beyond the current proposed action.

AIPA has publicly called on Qantas Management not to take any action that
would escalate the dispute, including the use of any alternative workforce.


The reputation and record of Qantas is built around a close collaboration
between its pilots and engineers. Any change or threat to that relationship
would be a matter of significant concern for AIPA and its members.

3. Our ALAEA Colleagues
No doubt this is a very stressful time for the elected officials of the
ALAEA and LAMEs generally. Please bear this in mind as you go about your
work and continue to treat our engineering colleagues with the respect, care
and dignity that they deserve.


With best wishes

Capt Ian Woods
AIPA President

p.s. I have just been informed that tomorrow's proposed industrial action
has been called off and that ACTU President Sharan Burrow has written to
Geoff Dixon proposing further talks between the ALAEA and Qantas Management.
AIPA supports this call and would welcome further talks.




United we stand,...................................................
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Old 15th May 2008, 11:20
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Trustee

Tustee Well said, absolutely on the money.

Its all over Comrades, you voted for PIA twice , got over 80% and both times stopped at the last moment

Wow, that is some mind boggling strategy, wow wow and more wow

Acute Insect has been relying on some Kasparov chess stragtegy and he will contribute a great deal to this mind boggling master strategy. He cracks me up

Well done, i reckon 2.5% should do the trick
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Old 15th May 2008, 11:27
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Trustee/Lame A380

Not hard to work out where u2 come from!!
Some bitterness there from last association elections-huh.
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Old 15th May 2008, 11:31
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Oh No. Trustee has scared me.
Especially when he used “bold” printing to write “very big trouble”

My mummy sometimes tells me I’m in very big trouble and I cry.

Now which analogy will I use for trustee and LAMEA380

If you can’t run with the big dogs, stay on the porch and be quiet.

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Ha ha ha, having fun are we Geoff,

Anyone who thinks the entire events of the last 24 hours weren't carefully planned and orchestrated, think again. Why do you think the asn never issued a notice with meeting venues? They were never going ahead. Maybe next time.

Sharon Burrow take over the negotiations? fat chance. She was off to her next press conference within an hour, does anyone honestly thinks she sits down to nut out the finer points of these agreements.

So what has been achieved today.

Scabs scared off. tick
Dixon publically rules out lockouts. tick
O/T bans in full force with heat taken off. tick
Support from other unions. tick
Favour in public eyes. tick
Favour with Govt. tick
Massive cost for flight cancellations on Fri. tick
Scabs losing their Malaysian jobs. tick


Cost to the ALAEA members for this stunt. zero
Bring on tomorrow. Have heard some nice little business cards from the scab training courses may be appearing.
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Old 15th May 2008, 11:56
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no worries with me with todays decision. to me this isn't about money. i for one am sick of the contempt these fools treat us with. I wouldn't mind seeing this mob being dragged through the media for months. i want to see gd and cox justify why their nest is so feathered after the rubbish that has happened in the last 12 months and we're still asking for a wage increase less than the cpi.
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Brilliant work Bexley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You guys know your stuff!!!!

Talked with a friend today who knows little of our
current battle. She said our boss GD comes across very arrogant
and appears to dislike his staff. Have heard this from quite a few
outsiders now. That public perception cant be good for QF.
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Old 15th May 2008, 13:26
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5% For All And Nothing Less

5% FOR EVERYONE AND NOTHING LESS, THIS IS WHAT 81% VOTED FOR S.P.


Pardon my cynicism, but here are my thoughts on the battle so far.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT QF PLANS TO OUTSOURCE ENGINEERING TOTALLY.

This is what A380 meant with his threat about length of tenure (your rights not to have your job terminated by the company)

We are just bringing this matter to a head, a little before QF could have a seamless transition to overseas MRO's.

Reasons – Cost savings now, no super, no employee benefits, cheap overseas market for checks at the moment, but wait till QF have no infrastructure at all to fall back on and then see how the contract price rises. No foresight and what do they care about the future, the current management won’t be there.

Just look at the plans and decisions so far.

* Get rid of engine overhaul. Why do we now only produce one D4 a year out of SYD engine line and why are all the 737 engines coming out of down south, derated

* Get rid of Major Maintenance and D checks, after assuring us that this would never happen. The ageing aircraft are just not being maintained on overseas checks to the same standards as they used to be in Oz.

* Stop licence training. Just pretend to the shareholders that training still exists. This is coming back to bite them now with lack of A330 coverage

* Cut the workforce back to where it is unsustainable. Why do you think the overtime bans are affecting them so much.

*Don’t spend money on the resources needed to get the job done. Substandard tooling and equipment

* Make the PPM so awkward that everything becomes unworkable, wingwalkers etc, just to cover their arses and attract more bonuses for no LTI’s. It’s nice to work safely but it has become ridiculous and absurd.

* Get rid of other operator contracts as quickly as possible thereby incurring no penalties when you outsource. Thus allowing new companies to start up and take over our traditional business and profit.

* Split the troops up, and keep them competing and bickering with each other and so pissed off with the whole system that they will be willing to leave and not regret it.

*Get everyone on AWA’s and if that is not possible, cut their wages by stealth.
If QF could have stuck us with AWA’s after the election,and after the Libs got back in, they thought they would have had a cheap workforce.

I am sure that they are starting to realise that there is a global market for our abilities after their scab hunting episodes of late, with very few takers.

Yesterday.

JAL needed parking space at Base to change some wing to body fairings on their AOG broken aircraft.
Several parking spots available but, oh no, you can’t have one. We’ll move you out to the boonies at bay 92, where there are no stands or equipment etc.
I believe that the JAL rep was horrified and so were the engineers involved.
I thought that there was meant to be an IATA support clause for AOG aircraft support in other countries.
I’m sure if one of our planes broke in Japan they would support us with the dignity and respect which we used to command, and offer us every assistance possible.
I believe it was very embarrassing for everyone present.
The protests will probably never reach our CEO, the Japanese are too polite ( But they do talk to each other and have very good memories.)

One more instance of a management who are totally out of touch with our company and our reputation.

GD has stated that he is not concerned with his staff and our customers, but only with shareholders and their shares, of which he has 2,500,000.

No wonder he is only concerned with shareholders.

Is that self interest or what?

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Old 15th May 2008, 18:09
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Thumbs up

Today was a master stroke and only the first move.

We threw the dummy and Dixon grabbed for the ball to find a hand full of air and his whole team moving into their secret attack position..........

We now know who the scabs are, we know they also have no malaysian contract to go back to not to mention possible legal action by malaysian Airlines for breach of contract. $100k should solve that one boys. Their names are already on a list which will circulate the world to ensure they will struggle to ever work again in this industry.
Gents, if you are reading this I suggest you scurry back to MAS and apologise profusely, that way they might not sue you for every penny of that blood money. It really makes sense financially to bugger off.

We now know how many "management" engineers QF have at their disposal for the line stations. We also know exactly how many of those gentleman have blatantly 'falsified' their licence renewals when stating they have exercised the privileges of their licences in the preceding 2 years........it's been happening for years.......but believe me, CASA will be watching and the fine is a doozie!!

We also know how desperate they must be when a single licenced "manager" is sent to Perth......fat lot of use he'll be, he hasn't seen a log book in over a decade let alone actually hold a spanner!!

Finally, proof of todays small victory is the change in rhetoric from CEO has-Been who will shortly crawl off to retirement with his battered tail between his legs. For weeks he has been sprouting how he will NEVER budge from 3% plus 1% super. Tonight 3+1 has become the 'framework' for his negotiations with Ms Burrows..............

The wall is becoming quite full with writing and it ain't good reading for M and his dopey band of unimaginative a-licks.

....THUD.....is that the second salvo being loaded by SP.........???


Good to see the ame's are mostly refusing OT aswell, just the kiwi propellor head in base yesterday. Thanks to them all, we will remember them when their EBA time comes, and any LAMES who don't support them then will be counseled.


Keep fighting the good fight and keep filling those drr pads........no plane should fly within 3 hours of sched!!

And just remember, before you whine about lack of information.........daily updates are pouring from the bunker..........and if the last exec were still manning the controls we'd already be sitting on 3% and wondering where all our remaining conditions had gone!!!
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A question to think about re the changing landscape

Could there be a chance that there is a new player in Aviation maintenance??

lets for the sake of the argument call this new player Newport Aviation

Could it become a major player in outsourced maintenance both here in Australia and Elsewhere ??

Gees am not sure, nah probably not, but wouldnt that be interesting, perhaps you should all start registering, you never know i mean you could all be needing jobs soon,

But nahh , the ALAEA master strategy will surely bring QF to its knees
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