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I'm with the engineers all the way but I'm not sure they all are. LAX is a rapidly growing maintence base. There are over 100 engineers and are in the process of hiring 40 more. They have Sydney based union lames and strike-breakers, local non-union, contract and sub contracted engineers all working toghether. Everyone is trying their best, especially the Syd lames, to get the planes out on time and rectifying as many MEL's and hold items as possible. They feel whatever they don't fix there, they'll fix here. There's no shortage of cheap labour here. There's no support of the industrial action. Everyone is doing what ever it takes to increase to work in LAX. If the Australian engineers don't watch out, they'll start losing their jobs to the cheap labour in LAX.
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I'm with the engineers all the way but I'm not sure they all are. LAX is a rapidly growing maintence base. There are over 100 engineers and are in the process of hiring 40 more. They have Sydney based union lames and strike-breakers, local non-union, contract and sub contracted engineers all working toghether. Everyone is trying their best, especially the Syd lames, to get the planes out on time and rectifying as many MEL's and hold items as possible. They feel whatever they don't fix there, they'll fix here. There's no shortage of cheap labour here. There's no support of the industrial action. Everyone is doing what ever it takes to increase to work in LAX. If the Australian engineers don't watch out, they'll start losing their jobs to the cheap labour in LAX.
Likewise if the union said that they should come home then I guess they would.
As far as us here in Oz losing our jobs to cheap labour in LAX... I couldn't give a damn! The company have been holding threats like this over our heads for far too long. Should they finally make that decision, then sooner or later the reality of yet another mismanagement decision will turn around and bite them hard.. And the chorus echoing "I told you so!" will ring deafeningly loud in their ears..
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if LAX are doing such a 'great' job why is their last effort at an a check stuck in kevvys castle with a mountain of holds and fuel leaks everywhere?
just more FUD.
Maybe that poster was good old airnair himself ??
just more FUD.
Maybe that poster was good old airnair himself ??
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Loyalty get a dog
Hey GD
With respect to your comments, "want loyalty, get a dog"
When I give my dog a treat she rewards me with at least 5% extra family household protection, 5% friendlier, 5% more willing to do the things we want her too, 5% more onguard, chews stuff 5% less.
Open your eyes and you'll see, reward your employee's, and you might even get 5% more work, 5% less delays, 5% more trust and maybe 5% less frivolous wasted costs.
Reward your employee's and watch the airline prosper, dont, well you'll see 88 years go down the gurglar
FOG
REDHAWKE37, btw a very interesting and bizarre first post
With respect to your comments, "want loyalty, get a dog"
When I give my dog a treat she rewards me with at least 5% extra family household protection, 5% friendlier, 5% more willing to do the things we want her too, 5% more onguard, chews stuff 5% less.
Open your eyes and you'll see, reward your employee's, and you might even get 5% more work, 5% less delays, 5% more trust and maybe 5% less frivolous wasted costs.
Reward your employee's and watch the airline prosper, dont, well you'll see 88 years go down the gurglar
FOG
REDHAWKE37, btw a very interesting and bizarre first post
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Go Slow Sabotages Airline Performance
It appears the ALAEA can confirm a ‘go slow’ has harmed the national carrier QANTAS. The ALAEA have professionally endeavored to keep the airline safe and reliable despite lack of manpower, lack of spares and insufficient training. Our reputation for on time reliable departures has been Sabotaged by the Go Slow of the engineering management for the past 18 months. Despite the rumor that other MRO’s have been penning of work that hasn’t been incorrectly carried out, IF at all, thanks Geoff not… they still cannot compete with our return to service reliability. The Fed Exc has my complete support, go team go.
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Sick, I didn't say they were doing a great job. airnair?
hewlett, Yes, and many others that were laid off. NorthWest, ATA, ABX, AmericaWest, Continental, American, AirNewZealand, United, etc Like I said, there's no shortage of cheap labour.
1me Not only are they controlling the work, they are trying to increase the productivity of the LAX workforce. They are even making sure the scabs have enough work. You should give a damn! If you and everyone else doesn't, it'll be a NorthWest all over again.
Slowing down in OZ only makes LAX look more attractive. Unless LAX is forced/allowed in the union, which will neber happen
hewlett, Yes, and many others that were laid off. NorthWest, ATA, ABX, AmericaWest, Continental, American, AirNewZealand, United, etc Like I said, there's no shortage of cheap labour.
1me Not only are they controlling the work, they are trying to increase the productivity of the LAX workforce. They are even making sure the scabs have enough work. You should give a damn! If you and everyone else doesn't, it'll be a NorthWest all over again.
Slowing down in OZ only makes LAX look more attractive. Unless LAX is forced/allowed in the union, which will neber happen
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Keep up the good work Fed Sec and Team.
Keep up the good work Fed Sec and your hard working team. You must be getting lots of different advice from us all. It would be hard to get us to agree on one path. I think we all agree to see this one out to the bitter 5% or epuivalent end. If we dont get it this time with record profits this year and previous years they will laugh at us next time when we grovel for 3%. It is up to your team to watch what is going on and take appropriate action. We have to trust you on this.
As for LAX doing such a great job next time ask them to do a real A check with the usual amount of OSIP. Have a look at the amount we cop here on its next extended Transit at base.
As for LAX doing such a great job next time ask them to do a real A check with the usual amount of OSIP. Have a look at the amount we cop here on its next extended Transit at base.
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This is crazy. There have been sooo many delays over the last few days in particular. Last night, neither the QF1 nor the QF73 went. The same thing is happening tonight! And the QF5 is currently scheduled to go at 2200h, if it goes at all.
I saw a massive queue of pax waiting (and waiting and waiting and waiting) for buses to take them to hotels. They didn't look happy. I really feel sorry for them, just as I am sure all of you do. It sux that they have to be caught up in this.
When is QF Management going to realise how damaging this is? They need to understand that THIS IS THEIR DOING. They blame you guys, but it is NOT your fault. All of this has come about because of years of treating US, the workers, like absolute useless crap - a liability rather than an asset. The bulk of the QF workforce is against the management.
It's time for a change.
FOG
I saw a massive queue of pax waiting (and waiting and waiting and waiting) for buses to take them to hotels. They didn't look happy. I really feel sorry for them, just as I am sure all of you do. It sux that they have to be caught up in this.
When is QF Management going to realise how damaging this is? They need to understand that THIS IS THEIR DOING. They blame you guys, but it is NOT your fault. All of this has come about because of years of treating US, the workers, like absolute useless crap - a liability rather than an asset. The bulk of the QF workforce is against the management.
It's time for a change.
FOG
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What is going to happen to the extra level of management that was created with the sole purpose of defeating the EBA PIA? Apart from the fact that their costs would have covered the extra 2% we have been seeking p.a.. What will QE management with them when this is over? Or are they being groomed to replace HM and his 'amazing' team of assclowns?
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If the Australian engineers don't watch out,
they'll start losing their jobs to the cheap labour in LAX.
A scab is a scab is a scab,
And to be cheap as well,.
If you have hired 140 cheap ames, what is the
level of supervision like?
they'll start losing their jobs to the cheap labour in LAX.
A scab is a scab is a scab,
And to be cheap as well,
.If you have hired 140 cheap ames, what is the
level of supervision like?
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I don't think we have too much to worry about with the LAX workforce. The way QE management in LAX treat the workforce will ensure that the huge churn rate of 'engineers' that has happened for the last few years will continue. That 140 will soon become 40.
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I guess it doesn't really matter who is doing the job at which port. QF management in their wisdom have been planning for this dispute before it was even started. Why else would they have half a share in an MRO in Malaysia, maintenance facility in in LAX to c/out A checks and 330 maintenance in Manila? Our wage claim is their cover to show the public that we are "holding a gun to management's head".
For as long as aircraft are getting out, albeit late and very late, management are quite happy for the delays to be stacked up against us in engineering.
Once the dust has settled in this matter, GD, KB, DC and their ilk will have achieved their goals, and GD will be leaving his "legacy" on QF after he has gone. Either way, there is going to be a long road of uneasiness between Management and the engineers, and each one will be waiting for the other to slip.
We have seen Heavy Maintenance in SYD disappear forever to AVV. Now HM in AVV looks like it will disappear to the MRO in KL. 737 HM has been decimated and being done in KL.
As much as I am in favour for our well-earned 5%, management won't be yielding 1mm on their 3%, and are more than prepared to spend more money/lose money in not giving us a headline 5% rise. They have already spent/lost more than the $3 million had they agreed to just giving us the extra 2% we wanted. QF has a lot of money to burn, and that is just what the FOG FOD team are doing. It's not their money, and they're well-cushioned from any fall-out. Bonus-wise that is.
Anyway, if any good is to come out of this, it will be the shareholders who ask for the scalp of FOG FOD and the others that have spiralled QF into the mess we're all in.
Let's just hope we get out of this relatively unscathed with not too great a loss to our reputation.
For as long as aircraft are getting out, albeit late and very late, management are quite happy for the delays to be stacked up against us in engineering.
Once the dust has settled in this matter, GD, KB, DC and their ilk will have achieved their goals, and GD will be leaving his "legacy" on QF after he has gone. Either way, there is going to be a long road of uneasiness between Management and the engineers, and each one will be waiting for the other to slip.
We have seen Heavy Maintenance in SYD disappear forever to AVV. Now HM in AVV looks like it will disappear to the MRO in KL. 737 HM has been decimated and being done in KL.
As much as I am in favour for our well-earned 5%, management won't be yielding 1mm on their 3%, and are more than prepared to spend more money/lose money in not giving us a headline 5% rise. They have already spent/lost more than the $3 million had they agreed to just giving us the extra 2% we wanted. QF has a lot of money to burn, and that is just what the FOG FOD team are doing. It's not their money, and they're well-cushioned from any fall-out. Bonus-wise that is.
Anyway, if any good is to come out of this, it will be the shareholders who ask for the scalp of FOG FOD and the others that have spiralled QF into the mess we're all in.
Let's just hope we get out of this relatively unscathed with not too great a loss to our reputation.
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Base Maint to Rule the World-minus Slicker!!!
Who gives a flying F*@K if there are scabs doing A Checks in LAX!!!
Last time I counted , 747's made up less than 25% of the mainline fleet, and Qantas always reports that most of the profits come from the domestic fleets anyway.
At the end of the day,it will still require the guys in BASE to provide serviceable aircraft if they want the product that they bang on about to remain top notch.
Plus how many of these "contractors" are only at QF in LAX because some slippery eel has dangled A380 training in their face.If they dont get training,they will walk.
Just ask the pommies in LHR.They will tell you that the money is not the best,but the training is fantastic.Just wait until all these "foreign contractors" are all trained up,because you know they wont be still working for Qantas 2 years from now.
Why,because they will be killing it as contractors somewhere else.
And guess who will be covering the aircraft in LAX & LHR?
Base Maint,thats who................
Last time I counted , 747's made up less than 25% of the mainline fleet, and Qantas always reports that most of the profits come from the domestic fleets anyway.
At the end of the day,it will still require the guys in BASE to provide serviceable aircraft if they want the product that they bang on about to remain top notch.
Plus how many of these "contractors" are only at QF in LAX because some slippery eel has dangled A380 training in their face.If they dont get training,they will walk.
Just ask the pommies in LHR.They will tell you that the money is not the best,but the training is fantastic.Just wait until all these "foreign contractors" are all trained up,because you know they wont be still working for Qantas 2 years from now.
Why,because they will be killing it as contractors somewhere else.
And guess who will be covering the aircraft in LAX & LHR?
Base Maint,thats who................
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Looks like 3 international flights didn't get away tonight - QF1, QF73, QF187. The only winners out of the whole shebang is the hotels and the taxis.
The most popular line in the travel industry is " I want to book flight to ..... on any airline but Qantas.
The most popular line in the travel industry is " I want to book flight to ..... on any airline but Qantas.
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Herd a rumour tonight that a Hostie got quite a shock from one of the galleys on TJU. Apon investigation it was found that the galley bonding strap was not connected and the galley was not bolted down! Another quality job from offshore MRO? Any one shed any more light? 