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The previous post wasn't from me, or was it? Maybe this one wasn't either, or was it. Gee I'm confused, or maybe I'm not because I might have been hacked. So if I hacked in I wouldn't be confused, but then again if I didn't I would.
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FED SEC
At the meeting on monday I would like you to add this
non negotiable demand
BRING BACK THE KING GEE SHIRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO MORE OF THIS ILL FITTING CHINESE ****!!!!!!
They arn't even good to clean the car with!!!
And yes I have tried
Maintain the rage!
PS the socks with some mister sheen do a pretty good job
At the meeting on monday I would like you to add this
non negotiable demand
BRING BACK THE KING GEE SHIRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO MORE OF THIS ILL FITTING CHINESE ****!!!!!!
They arn't even good to clean the car with!!!
And yes I have tried
Maintain the rage!
PS the socks with some mister sheen do a pretty good job
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Hey Guys/gals
Keep Rockin!!!!
May The Force Be With You........
Thanks Reps Rippin It Up,yehhhhh.......
Monday Looks Good Maybe We Can Move Fwd On This One?
Either Way The Alaea Rocks,
See Ya Bro
Keep Rockin!!!!
May The Force Be With You........
Thanks Reps Rippin It Up,yehhhhh.......
Monday Looks Good Maybe We Can Move Fwd On This One?
Either Way The Alaea Rocks,
See Ya Bro
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Message for Blackhander
There are many non LAME Qantas employees viewing this thread who fully support your PIA and sincerely hope that you get your 5%. As a LH Cabin Crew I dont even mind our EBA was only 3% and that you may eventually get the 5% you genuinely deserve.
What I do object to is being referred to as a ' sandwich server ' while I quietly put up with angry pax and having my roster severely disrupted. When you started your OT bans I signed on for a duty and in the end the flight didnt depart because we missed curfew. No problem for me but it was for the commuting crew who had to find hotel accommodation at midnight at their own expense . Many people are greatly inconvenienced by this PIA but I havent met any other CC who dont support the engineers .A little respect please.
I wouldnt dream of calling a LAME a " mechanic " for example.
What I do object to is being referred to as a ' sandwich server ' while I quietly put up with angry pax and having my roster severely disrupted. When you started your OT bans I signed on for a duty and in the end the flight didnt depart because we missed curfew. No problem for me but it was for the commuting crew who had to find hotel accommodation at midnight at their own expense . Many people are greatly inconvenienced by this PIA but I havent met any other CC who dont support the engineers .A little respect please.
I wouldnt dream of calling a LAME a " mechanic " for example.
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There are many non LAME Qantas employees viewing this thread who fully support your PIA and sincerely hope that you get your 5%. As a LH Cabin Crew I dont even mind our EBA was only 3% and that you may eventually get the 5% you genuinely deserve.
What I do object to is being referred to as a ' sandwich server ' while I quietly put up with angry pax and having my roster severely disrupted. When you started your OT bans I signed on for a duty and in the end the flight didnt depart because we missed curfew. No problem for me but it was for the commuting crew who had to find hotel accommodation at midnight at their own expense . Many people are greatly inconvenienced by this PIA but I havent met any other CC who dont support the engineers .A little respect please.
I wouldnt dream of calling a LAME a " mechanic " for example.
Lovelondon,
As a long time watcher and also a LAME, I definitely would not wish to known as a mechanic, so for the same reason I will never refer to you or any cabin crew as a sandwich server in the future.
What I do object to is being referred to as a ' sandwich server ' while I quietly put up with angry pax and having my roster severely disrupted. When you started your OT bans I signed on for a duty and in the end the flight didnt depart because we missed curfew. No problem for me but it was for the commuting crew who had to find hotel accommodation at midnight at their own expense . Many people are greatly inconvenienced by this PIA but I havent met any other CC who dont support the engineers .A little respect please.
I wouldnt dream of calling a LAME a " mechanic " for example.
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Lovelondon,
As a long time watcher and also a LAME, I definitely would not wish to known as a mechanic, so for the same reason I will never refer to you or any cabin crew as a sandwich server in the future.
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Thanks for your support Lovelondon!
I have been on shift when some of these flights have missed curfew. Angry pax are not good to deal with and my hat is off to the lot of you for putting up with ignorant people at the best of times. I have seen it and personally would have lost it with them! Well done! You must have the partience of angels.
The big point on these overnighters that have missed curfew needs to be made very clear.
The aircraft that have missed curfew that I have been on shift for have missed curew because they were un-airworthy due to failed component and systems that broke due to the ridiculous sytem that hasd been imposed on QF by management. I do not know a single LAME who has physic powers that can make internals of engine fuel pumps disintergrate for example.
The aircraft do not get the care they got from our Heavy Maint guys, parts are being left on longer before being replaced, there are fewer spares so when stuff does break it goes into Hold, etc,etc,etc.........
I have said this before, our PIA is simple acting as a catylist. The guys stop doing O/T and the system fails big time. Throw in a half day off here and there and the sky falls in.
If we did not have the PIA most of these disruptions would have happened anyway and that is a fact that cannot be argued. If an aircraft breaks and is U/S and the clock toll 2300, that is the end of the game. Simple!!
Thanks for the support we have had from all crews, I get pulled up every day by Tech and Cabin Crew for a yarn and we do know you guys are supporting us.
It is our respnsibility to look after the safety of all who fly and that is exactly what we will do regardless of brickwalls put in front of us.
FOD & Co. stick and stones baby!!!!! Stick and stones!
End of rant,
Boardman
I have been on shift when some of these flights have missed curfew. Angry pax are not good to deal with and my hat is off to the lot of you for putting up with ignorant people at the best of times. I have seen it and personally would have lost it with them! Well done! You must have the partience of angels.
The big point on these overnighters that have missed curfew needs to be made very clear.
The aircraft that have missed curfew that I have been on shift for have missed curew because they were un-airworthy due to failed component and systems that broke due to the ridiculous sytem that hasd been imposed on QF by management. I do not know a single LAME who has physic powers that can make internals of engine fuel pumps disintergrate for example.
The aircraft do not get the care they got from our Heavy Maint guys, parts are being left on longer before being replaced, there are fewer spares so when stuff does break it goes into Hold, etc,etc,etc.........
I have said this before, our PIA is simple acting as a catylist. The guys stop doing O/T and the system fails big time. Throw in a half day off here and there and the sky falls in.
If we did not have the PIA most of these disruptions would have happened anyway and that is a fact that cannot be argued. If an aircraft breaks and is U/S and the clock toll 2300, that is the end of the game. Simple!!
Thanks for the support we have had from all crews, I get pulled up every day by Tech and Cabin Crew for a yarn and we do know you guys are supporting us.
It is our respnsibility to look after the safety of all who fly and that is exactly what we will do regardless of brickwalls put in front of us.
FOD & Co. stick and stones baby!!!!! Stick and stones!
End of rant,
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I am Confused
Qantas is a very large successful iconic Australian company with an extremely large number of staff and a capitalisation of several billion dollars. I fully support the need to ensure that the senior management of this great company are sourced from the best management pool in the world and paid accordingly. That figure may even need to be in the millions to atract the best candidate.
I have been a LAME with Qantas for more than 20 years and fully support the current action by the ALAEA.
My confusion and anger stems from the fact that the management of this company is compared to that of other international airlines and these guys have been very successfull. Surely that cannot be denied.
However I have listened to the doom and gloom and we all have to pull our belts in sob stories from our senior management for the last 10 years and every year Qantas has achieved record profits.
During this time time the staff have rallied and agreed to pay freezes and pulled their belts in. Management have reaped the rewards of their smart management and fuel hedging and paid themselves huge bonuses. Who forgot about the staff??
Now that we have come out of the "bad" times, ( good times for anyone in their right minds ), we are really faceing a difficult time and the company cries wolf again. If the staff, and this is not just about engineering, had been shown some respect and acknowledgement of their efforts, I am sure we would not be where we are today. Am I the only one that seems to have missed the point here???
Hold firm and remain professional, don't bite when the bait is dangled and don't give them anything to hang us with.
I am proud to be a LAME and I am proud of the LAME's around me.
I have been a LAME with Qantas for more than 20 years and fully support the current action by the ALAEA.
My confusion and anger stems from the fact that the management of this company is compared to that of other international airlines and these guys have been very successfull. Surely that cannot be denied.
However I have listened to the doom and gloom and we all have to pull our belts in sob stories from our senior management for the last 10 years and every year Qantas has achieved record profits.
During this time time the staff have rallied and agreed to pay freezes and pulled their belts in. Management have reaped the rewards of their smart management and fuel hedging and paid themselves huge bonuses. Who forgot about the staff??
Now that we have come out of the "bad" times, ( good times for anyone in their right minds ), we are really faceing a difficult time and the company cries wolf again. If the staff, and this is not just about engineering, had been shown some respect and acknowledgement of their efforts, I am sure we would not be where we are today. Am I the only one that seems to have missed the point here???
Hold firm and remain professional, don't bite when the bait is dangled and don't give them anything to hang us with.
I am proud to be a LAME and I am proud of the LAME's around me.
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After the failed Qantas takeover bid in December 2006, and on the back of growing concern of Qantas' future due to the A380 debacle, an independent review of the board of directors by the shareholder's representative group found irregularities and serious shortcomings in the current leadership. The outcome was a vote of no confidence in Mr. Dixon's continuing leadership; as well as that of Peter Gregg (CFO) and John Borghetti (GM) and a recommendation to call a new board election.
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There is nothing wrong with being a mechanic..the issue is that we really don't want to offend those people from other areas who are supporting us in our fight.. It's just a little common courtesy and respect.
lovelondon..thanks for your support and that of your cabin colleagues!
lovelondon..thanks for your support and that of your cabin colleagues!
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We must be genius types! No need for an inquiry to work out Management needs throwing off the train!
Hey it is good to see that this has really united all QF workers. No more us and them between the Tech Crew, Cabin, Crew, Baggage, Sparkies, Greasers, Sheeties, Check in Staff andso on. We are all getting on, it's great!
Pity management is the odd man out. It would be a top place to go to
Oh yeah! Dreaming again.
Bring back BD, Petto and the gang. We miss you guys
Hey it is good to see that this has really united all QF workers. No more us and them between the Tech Crew, Cabin, Crew, Baggage, Sparkies, Greasers, Sheeties, Check in Staff andso on. We are all getting on, it's great!
Pity management is the odd man out. It would be a top place to go to
Oh yeah! Dreaming again.
Bring back BD, Petto and the gang. We miss you guys
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As was stated that the mention of the $2000 bonus was just gossip..I think it should be treated as such. If it turns out to be fact then it is nothing more than an insult..
I remember sitting in an EBA information meeting many moons ago when a certain ex ALAEA Federal President was manager and was overheard (by me) saying to his underlings in hushed tones "They're LAME's...just show 'em the money..." -the inference being that we'd roll over and accept it. Perhaps that was the case then but it's going to take a whole lot more than 2k to spin my wheels!
Now 14 weeks bonus as some other carriers have done...I'd give consideration..
I remember sitting in an EBA information meeting many moons ago when a certain ex ALAEA Federal President was manager and was overheard (by me) saying to his underlings in hushed tones "They're LAME's...just show 'em the money..." -the inference being that we'd roll over and accept it. Perhaps that was the case then but it's going to take a whole lot more than 2k to spin my wheels!
Now 14 weeks bonus as some other carriers have done...I'd give consideration..
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In 2007, Qantas was voted the fifth best airline in the world by research consultancy Skytrax, a drop from the second position it held in 2005 and 2006.
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Amazing People
THE DRIVERS OF CHANGE have not really been AMAZING PEOPLE with any INTELLIGENT SPACE up until now. They have had more of an attitude of “WHAT’S IN IT FOR ME” and have been living in PITY CITY with too many COST EFFECTIVE BUSINESS PLANS which don’t exactly build THE BRIDGES OF TRUST that are required to MEET OUR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS.
There have been SPECIFIC INCIDENTS which have not been OPEN AND TRANSPARENT and could never attain a RESULT DRIVEN PROCESS or a WIN WIN RESULT.
Based upon the DISCONNECTION BETWEEN TWO POINTS however, THE DEAD CAT has been PRODDING THE COBRA with BELOW THE LINE COMMENTS and PROTOTYPES ARE BEING CREATED AND PRODUCED which will ALIGN THE DASHBOARD INDICATORS and PUT TEMPLATES IN PLACE for a CONTINUAL IMPROVEMENT in OUR STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK and A BETTER GAME PLAN FOR OUR OPERATION.
PROVIDING A COST / BENEFITS ANALYSIS of OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS will result in NEW PROCEDURES BEING CREATED which will enable a LONG TERM SOLUTION to be obtained.
The BOTTOM LINE is that after our latest TOOLBOX MEETING, we have COLLATED AND COMMUNICATED ALL OF THE DATA FOR INPUT, leading to the SYNERGY for WORKPLACE CHANGE and after RUNNING A LAP around the STRATEGY MAP we have decided that THE TRAIN IS LEAVING THE STATION, BUT NOT EVERYONE WILL BE ON IT, especially M and his CIRCLE OF INFLUENCE.
As they are no longer needed for the STRATEGIC FIT, they will no longer benefit from ACTION ENTITLEMENTS.
The Shareholders
There have been SPECIFIC INCIDENTS which have not been OPEN AND TRANSPARENT and could never attain a RESULT DRIVEN PROCESS or a WIN WIN RESULT.
Based upon the DISCONNECTION BETWEEN TWO POINTS however, THE DEAD CAT has been PRODDING THE COBRA with BELOW THE LINE COMMENTS and PROTOTYPES ARE BEING CREATED AND PRODUCED which will ALIGN THE DASHBOARD INDICATORS and PUT TEMPLATES IN PLACE for a CONTINUAL IMPROVEMENT in OUR STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK and A BETTER GAME PLAN FOR OUR OPERATION.
PROVIDING A COST / BENEFITS ANALYSIS of OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS will result in NEW PROCEDURES BEING CREATED which will enable a LONG TERM SOLUTION to be obtained.
The BOTTOM LINE is that after our latest TOOLBOX MEETING, we have COLLATED AND COMMUNICATED ALL OF THE DATA FOR INPUT, leading to the SYNERGY for WORKPLACE CHANGE and after RUNNING A LAP around the STRATEGY MAP we have decided that THE TRAIN IS LEAVING THE STATION, BUT NOT EVERYONE WILL BE ON IT, especially M and his CIRCLE OF INFLUENCE.
As they are no longer needed for the STRATEGIC FIT, they will no longer benefit from ACTION ENTITLEMENTS.
The Shareholders
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Probably the wrong place for this, but is it possible that when users delete posts that a "Post #3977 deleted by [user/mod]" note remain? It'd still allow users to remove the content of their post (the post above shows why this is a good feature) but keeps the context of replies in place. Otherwise it can mess with the flow of the thread (for instance, if captaindejavu deletes his post my reference to "the post above" won't make much sense*). That'd keep post numbers correct too - which is important when people make references to them. Several times in this thread people have replied directly to a post number - all those references are to the wrong posts now.
A related aside: do the permalinks to posts still work when earlier posts have been deleted? That is, if I permalink to post #100 and posts #10-#19 are deleted, will my link point to the same post (now #90) or still #100 (which isn't what I originally linked to)?
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* edit: he did! or PPRUNE's database is being funny again. Anyway, he mentioned a good reason deleting posts should be allowed.
A related aside: do the permalinks to posts still work when earlier posts have been deleted? That is, if I permalink to post #100 and posts #10-#19 are deleted, will my link point to the same post (now #90) or still #100 (which isn't what I originally linked to)?
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* edit: he did! or PPRUNE's database is being funny again. Anyway, he mentioned a good reason deleting posts should be allowed.
Can't do that - Moderators have no control over users deleting posts. User deleted posts don't disappear forever, they simply disappear from public view and the post number resets.
Whilst we have the ability to edit and post within any post, or un-delete a deleted post, for a variety of reasons we do not do that unless absolutely necessary.
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There are many non LAME Qantas employees viewing this thread who fully support your PIA and sincerely hope that you get your 5%. As a LH Cabin Crew I dont even mind our EBA was only 3% and that you may eventually get the 5% you genuinely deserve.
What I do object to is being referred to as a ' sandwich server ' while I quietly put up with angry pax and having my roster severely disrupted. When you started your OT bans I signed on for a duty and in the end the flight didnt depart because we missed curfew. No problem for me but it was for the commuting crew who had to find hotel accommodation at midnight at their own expense . Many people are greatly inconvenienced by this PIA but I havent met any other CC who dont support the engineers .A little respect please.
I wouldnt dream of calling a LAME a " mechanic " for example.
What I do object to is being referred to as a ' sandwich server ' while I quietly put up with angry pax and having my roster severely disrupted. When you started your OT bans I signed on for a duty and in the end the flight didnt depart because we missed curfew. No problem for me but it was for the commuting crew who had to find hotel accommodation at midnight at their own expense . Many people are greatly inconvenienced by this PIA but I havent met any other CC who dont support the engineers .A little respect please.
I wouldnt dream of calling a LAME a " mechanic " for example.
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This may be a silly question but are engineers divided into Long Haul and short haul or just to specific type? Are LAME's from both domestic and international engaged in OT bans etc? I imagine this to be the case but just want clarification.
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we are (in most ports) all working out of one area. We don't all have the same licences (endorsements) so we go where the a/c require us. However we are all united in this EBA