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Acute Instinct Get a grip!
My first post! With over 20 years experience in QF heavy I am not surprised with the end result of a poorly managed maintenance and repair organisation. FOG and D COC?Ks need to take a step back and realise the LAMES in OZ carrying out heavy checks are committed in their over and above efforts, ensuring the saftey of all aircraft are more than 100% complient!
We dont want to see a QF AC in pieces on the 6 o'clock news. Bring back all the OS checks and give the flying public some insurance that we are the safest airline in the world, for a bloody good reason!
Bravo to the ALAEA for an exceptionally over and above the line effort in achieving an acceptable outcome with the EBA8.
Long live the LAME'S
My first post! With over 20 years experience in QF heavy I am not surprised with the end result of a poorly managed maintenance and repair organisation. FOG and D COC?Ks need to take a step back and realise the LAMES in OZ carrying out heavy checks are committed in their over and above efforts, ensuring the saftey of all aircraft are more than 100% complient!
We dont want to see a QF AC in pieces on the 6 o'clock news. Bring back all the OS checks and give the flying public some insurance that we are the safest airline in the world, for a bloody good reason!
Bravo to the ALAEA for an exceptionally over and above the line effort in achieving an acceptable outcome with the EBA8.
Long live the LAME'S
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Name our Price
What would the people in the ivory tower do now if we vote this EBA down.
Could we be worth another 10% or more?????
Well done Fed Exec.
Let's hope the truth now comes out about Qantas Engineering and the mis guided management we have had to endure.
Can I hear a senate enquiry into CASA calling.
I look forward to the next EBA.
Could we be worth another 10% or more?????
Well done Fed Exec.
Let's hope the truth now comes out about Qantas Engineering and the mis guided management we have had to endure.
Can I hear a senate enquiry into CASA calling.
I look forward to the next EBA.
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The eventual shutdown of maintenance at QF is NOT inevitable. Just ask anyone who has EVER had a joint venture in Asia how it has panned out.
Your ENTIRE argument rests on the assumption that Asia is always going to be a financially advantageous location to do stuff, which, I assure you, is not a safe assumption.
By moving operations overseas, you are exposing yourself to three additional sources of risk for your business. The first is sovereign risk - which is about the attitude of the Government in the designated country towards your country and their attitude to one of their companies doing work for you.
Your ENTIRE argument rests on the assumption that Asia is always going to be a financially advantageous location to do stuff, which, I assure you, is not a safe assumption.
By moving operations overseas, you are exposing yourself to three additional sources of risk for your business. The first is sovereign risk - which is about the attitude of the Government in the designated country towards your country and their attitude to one of their companies doing work for you.
The second is the business risk associated with relying on an overseas facility. This is about what happens to you if they go belly up. This can be ameliorated if there are numerous suppliers to choose from, so that any failure can be quickly fixed by substitution.
The Third is commercial risk - which is about competition and your ability to choose another supplier if you believe you are being gouged.
These risks must be managed if you are to succeed in outsourcing, and there are an infinite number of ways you can screw it up.
These risks must be managed if you are to succeed in outsourcing, and there are an infinite number of ways you can screw it up.
So here's one for you QF 94, what happens to QF when all those little guys in your Malaysian MRO decide to have their little EBA session? You all ready know the answer - QF is F***ed.
Don't believe the bull**** about Australia being expensive either. As Asian living standards rise, their cost advantage disappears.
Don't believe the bull**** about Australia being expensive either. As Asian living standards rise, their cost advantage disappears.
Don't think for one second that I am in support of what QF management is doing or what their agenda is. I despise what is happening, but unfortunately, EBA or not, unfortunately the path taken is not going to be changed very easily, if at all.
QF94, your belief in your own uncompetitiveness is tragic. I pity you.
Once QF have taken the final step of disinvesting in heavy maintenance and puts its faith in SAECO, HAECO, etc. you will find out the hard way what it's like to be screwed.
The Asian MRO's will collude, but it will take you a while to find out that.
Furthermore it will be THEM not YOU who get the experience dealing with the A380 and B787 (especially sophisticated composite inspection and repair), effectively putting QF totally behind the eight ball.
To put it another way, you will be price takers because you will simply not even have the necessary engineering brains to even work out if you are being screwed by your MRO's or not.
It will then take you about five years heavy maintenance to realise you are being screwed and that the prices set are designed to be 1% below the cost at which it makes economic sense for QF to take the work back in house.
In other words, you are not going to save a penny, but QF management don't care, and the ones who make the outsourcing decision today will be long gone by the time the damage is apparent.
P.S. News article yesterday is that cheap Chinese goods are going to get more expensive as the Chinese factor in increased material costs and labor costs. The process of reducing their competitive advantage has well and truly started.
Once QF have taken the final step of disinvesting in heavy maintenance and puts its faith in SAECO, HAECO, etc. you will find out the hard way what it's like to be screwed.
The Asian MRO's will collude, but it will take you a while to find out that.
Furthermore it will be THEM not YOU who get the experience dealing with the A380 and B787 (especially sophisticated composite inspection and repair), effectively putting QF totally behind the eight ball.
To put it another way, you will be price takers because you will simply not even have the necessary engineering brains to even work out if you are being screwed by your MRO's or not.
It will then take you about five years heavy maintenance to realise you are being screwed and that the prices set are designed to be 1% below the cost at which it makes economic sense for QF to take the work back in house.
In other words, you are not going to save a penny, but QF management don't care, and the ones who make the outsourcing decision today will be long gone by the time the damage is apparent.
P.S. News article yesterday is that cheap Chinese goods are going to get more expensive as the Chinese factor in increased material costs and labor costs. The process of reducing their competitive advantage has well and truly started.
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Dick and Jane, thank you for becoming involved in our discussion your opinion as joe public is both welcomed and needed.
The ALAEA has for the last five years fought to bring the truth of overseas maintenance to the public arena, the previous exec whilst concerned about the closure of heavy maintenance was continually bullied by QF to the point where they became ineffectual, it seems the new kids on the block are not, with every step they seem to battle the ensuing tide. This EBA and PIA has been as much about the INEPTNESS OF QANTAS ENGINEERING MANAGEMENT has it has been about a payrise and unfortunately the 'Thriller in Manilla' was one of the many result. As Muzza At said in a earlier post there have been many incidents reported of near tragedies but what about the ones that QANTAS ENGINEERING MANAGEMENT HAVE HIDDEN the ZX 767 fleet which all have deteriorating drip trays above the electrical compartment on one aircraft up to 15 electronic units were contaminated by coffee and water.
Its simple as big brother says "Its time to go........Qantas Engineering Management..........the australian public have nominated you for destroying the world's safest airline and aussie icon"
While we're on the topic on p!ss poor performance, who were the would be scabs that flew up from Melbourne to put the skids under the base boys ? It doesn't take long for the scum to rise to surface after a cleanout
The ALAEA has for the last five years fought to bring the truth of overseas maintenance to the public arena, the previous exec whilst concerned about the closure of heavy maintenance was continually bullied by QF to the point where they became ineffectual, it seems the new kids on the block are not, with every step they seem to battle the ensuing tide. This EBA and PIA has been as much about the INEPTNESS OF QANTAS ENGINEERING MANAGEMENT has it has been about a payrise and unfortunately the 'Thriller in Manilla' was one of the many result. As Muzza At said in a earlier post there have been many incidents reported of near tragedies but what about the ones that QANTAS ENGINEERING MANAGEMENT HAVE HIDDEN the ZX 767 fleet which all have deteriorating drip trays above the electrical compartment on one aircraft up to 15 electronic units were contaminated by coffee and water.
Its simple as big brother says "Its time to go........Qantas Engineering Management..........the australian public have nominated you for destroying the world's safest airline and aussie icon"
While we're on the topic on p!ss poor performance, who were the would be scabs that flew up from Melbourne to put the skids under the base boys ? It doesn't take long for the scum to rise to surface after a cleanout
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While we're on the topic on p!ss poor performance, who were the would be scabs that flew up from Melbourne to put the skids under the base boys ? It doesn't take long for the scum to rise to surface after a cleanout
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This little gem was in the Melbourne Herald Sun this morning :-
" "These aircraft are getting a bit old and the engineers have been on strike, so they might be flying with slightly lower maintenance standards," one insider said."
I'd love to meet the "insider" who said this.
It's just never ending.
PS: I wonder how deep the scribe line was?
This little gem was in the Melbourne Herald Sun this morning :-
" "These aircraft are getting a bit old and the engineers have been on strike, so they might be flying with slightly lower maintenance standards," one insider said."
I'd love to meet the "insider" who said this.
It's just never ending.
PS: I wonder how deep the scribe line was?
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What about CASA?
It's about time for this rot to stop, CASA are supposed to be the thin line between compliance and staying on the ground. Australia has GREAT engineers who WERE kept on their toes by CASA. Does it take these idiots a hull loss before they rein this in?? This is a systemic failure and needs to be addressed now before these idiots GD MH et al put one in with their stupidity. CASA step in or be held as culpable as the people you are supposed to be policing.
You have been given ample evidence you have not acted on.
Wonder how K RUD would feel to be at the helm when the failing of CASA leads to a tragedy.
You have been given ample evidence you have not acted on.
Wonder how K RUD would feel to be at the helm when the failing of CASA leads to a tragedy.
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Just a quick note of support for the AVV Lame's, its not that they are any worse than the old QF heavy people its just the system in place has increased the ratio of people with much less experience to Lames so sharply. You are all then rushed by failed strategic decisions on maintenance planning to cover up.
Maybe they will adjust the ratios so you can do the quality job Im sure you all aspire to do.
Hang in there boys these imposters days are numbered
Maybe they will adjust the ratios so you can do the quality job Im sure you all aspire to do.
Hang in there boys these imposters days are numbered
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Guilt by association..
One of the things that annoys me the most is that when an incident such as this latest one occurs, people say that the maintenance standards are declining. It doesn't really matter that maintenance may have been carried out offshore...the fact is that we (as QF engineers) still get tarred with the same brush and our reputation sullied! 
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Had an interview recently and was tarnished because i had worked for Qantas for many years. And this came from someone in the industry, who had never had anything to do with QF. Was quite funny when he said they were looking for LAMEs that would tow aircraft, keep there aeroplanes flying, work shift, show flexibility with rosters and so on.
Although i left QF because i was unhappy with alot of ****, but to hear others commenting on a place that they no little about, and tarnishing them with these reasons, i must say did piss me off, and to all QF staff i will be educating them in due course..
LOW
Although i left QF because i was unhappy with alot of ****, but to hear others commenting on a place that they no little about, and tarnishing them with these reasons, i must say did piss me off, and to all QF staff i will be educating them in due course..
LOW
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Dick & Jane, can you elaborate on this statement?
I presume you are blaming maintenance for this depressurization incident? I would be very interested to know how you arrived at this conclusion, even before an investigation commenced.
Whilst I have expressed an opinion once on this forum, I must say I am totally dissatisfied as a citizen with this incident above Manila. So let me be clear as a customer.
I presume you are blaming maintenance for this depressurization incident? I would be very interested to know how you arrived at this conclusion, even before an investigation commenced.
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Training bond? What training bond? It's Emirates on the phone love! Tell them if they can't double Etihad's offer plus a penthouse in Dubai we don't care! Right love? Good on ya boys! Don't be shy with the accomodation. Sonny Bill all the way! We always knew the majority of you would look after number one! X from france, Sonny Bill A380
P.S. But love, it's the australian airline on the phone, they've got 3% plus a grade!
P.S.S. Boys, don't worry about us back here, the sooner you get on with it, the sooner we will be trained. And then..........World rate, its only a flight away. That's what the arabic newspapers are saying.........Desert Storm, time to shine.
P.S. But love, it's the australian airline on the phone, they've got 3% plus a grade!
P.S.S. Boys, don't worry about us back here, the sooner you get on with it, the sooner we will be trained. And then..........World rate, its only a flight away. That's what the arabic newspapers are saying.........Desert Storm, time to shine.
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Had an interview recently and was tarnished because i had worked for Qantas for many years. And this came from someone in the industry, who had never had anything to do with QF. Was quite funny when he said they were looking for LAMEs that would tow aircraft, keep there aeroplanes flying, work shift, show flexibility with rosters and so on.
Although i left QF because i was unhappy with alot of ****, but to hear others commenting on a place that they no little about, and tarnishing them with these reasons, i must say did piss me off, and to all QF staff i will be educating them in due course..
LOW
Although i left QF because i was unhappy with alot of ****, but to hear others commenting on a place that they no little about, and tarnishing them with these reasons, i must say did piss me off, and to all QF staff i will be educating them in due course..
LOW
Good luck with the interview outcome
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You must be right, that's why we had hundreds of the Sydney 245 boys banging on the scab gate, like visions from the great depression. $100K in six months would have drawn your insinuation into light. It didn't, now away with your sob story. Skill shortage means a willingness to manage institutionalised mental illness, especially when it comes of this standard, at this price. Your reference to 'union baggage' is simple idiocy.
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While we're on the topic on p!ss poor performance, who were the would be scabs that flew up from Melbourne to put the skids under the base boys ? It doesn't take long for the scum to rise to surface after a cleanout
The SL2 has a track record of me first and F the rest ism, always intrigued me how he weasled his way onto the latest avionics fundamentals course.
But the other LAME just beggars belief. This guy is one of the five LAME's who was docked four hours pay for rightly refusing to handle a 747 classic due to a lack of familiarisation training as per company procedures.
And now the association are going into bat for them to get their money back? I'd rather the money spent on such action for this guy be given to charity as it's obvious where his morals lie.
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Re-Hole in the Hull of OJK, It appears that many posters as always fail to mention that the flaws in the machine are those that are designed by humans.
If it is caused by corrosion then we need to design materials or build machines that do not suffer such effects, carbon fibre perhaps but time will no doubt reveal all the flaws in that technology.
Oxy bottles failing, redesign to remove possibility or remove nessessity for onboard carriage of emergency oxy.
Other speculations that humans who wish ill on others and fabricate harm that is more difficult to engineer out of the human condition.
Random acts of chance well that is the most difficult to control that will be possibly the most difficult to re-engineer.
The pax on JK should feel relieved that they experienced the best of our current engineering and human skills whilst travelling in a machine only dreamed of a century ago.
If it is caused by corrosion then we need to design materials or build machines that do not suffer such effects, carbon fibre perhaps but time will no doubt reveal all the flaws in that technology.
Oxy bottles failing, redesign to remove possibility or remove nessessity for onboard carriage of emergency oxy.
Other speculations that humans who wish ill on others and fabricate harm that is more difficult to engineer out of the human condition.
Random acts of chance well that is the most difficult to control that will be possibly the most difficult to re-engineer.
The pax on JK should feel relieved that they experienced the best of our current engineering and human skills whilst travelling in a machine only dreamed of a century ago.