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Originally Posted by The masked goatrider 
Third thinks he is the Be al and end all of LAMEs
This could be the same tool tool from syd heavy, the one that kept failing sections of his 747-400 type course.
Third thinks he is the Be al and end all of LAMEs
This could be the same tool tool from syd heavy, the one that kept failing sections of his 747-400 type course.
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One usually finds that those who are incompetent in their duty as a LAME will attempt to mask that incompetence by spending as little time on the job as possible. As a consequence they spend more time in the office with the boss highlighting or making up stories about the competent LAMEs and how they are doing damage to the business by doing their jobs properly. They commonly refer to the others as troublemakers because they find things wrong that delay aircraft.
Now the managers don't know any better because they are former HR mangers, failed workshop morts and other undesirables. They decide to promote those who know about as much about maintenance as themsleves. Over time you end up with a wonderful team of dedicated Qantasized fools who are highly efficient at paddling the Hawksebury or catching teddy bears but know little about maintenance.
As time goes by the situation worsens to a point where the dedicated LAMEs who have spent 30 years plying their craft say enough is enough. The dedicated LAMEs know exactly how to repair broken aircraft but they also know exactly how to ground them for long periods of time. There is only one way to fix the problem and it starts with goodbye. Some suggested recipients of those words -
GD DC MH DH JV KM AL DH GB MS DM RH GH MW GH MS BW and AP.
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Now the managers don't know any better because they are former HR mangers, failed workshop morts and other undesirables. They decide to promote those who know about as much about maintenance as themsleves. Over time you end up with a wonderful team of dedicated Qantasized fools who are highly efficient at paddling the Hawksebury or catching teddy bears but know little about maintenance.
As time goes by the situation worsens to a point where the dedicated LAMEs who have spent 30 years plying their craft say enough is enough. The dedicated LAMEs know exactly how to repair broken aircraft but they also know exactly how to ground them for long periods of time. There is only one way to fix the problem and it starts with goodbye. Some suggested recipients of those words -
GD DC MH DH JV KM AL DH GB MS DM RH GH MW GH MS BW and AP.
Feel free to add to the list
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Can somebody please shed some light on EBY. It is still on the ground in syd. I understand it has been there for considerable time? Aren’t those Base boy's great.
including our afedsec.
including our afedsec.
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Give it time...
Good to hear almost all LAMEs throughout the ports in a united front.
Going without overtime is tough for some but the rest of us appreciate your hardship. Personally, I am confident the ALAEAs approach is the best available to us.
I think we will get what we deserve in the end.
STAND UNITED and above all MAINTAIN OUR INTEGRITY.
-Gen Y
Going without overtime is tough for some but the rest of us appreciate your hardship. Personally, I am confident the ALAEAs approach is the best available to us.
I think we will get what we deserve in the end.
STAND UNITED and above all MAINTAIN OUR INTEGRITY.
-Gen Y
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Here's an interesting excerpt from an article in today's SMH:
Source: SMH, 10 June 2008
But now nothing seems to be going according to plan.
The world economy is in the grip of an oil price shock that could make those of the 1970s look like mild tremors.
Airlines will be an early casualty and already the scythes are being unsheathed across America and Europe.
Qantas unions, meanwhile, are in an uproar over continued wage restraint proposals while the company is groaning at the seams with continued flight delays and reduced service knocking some serious dents in its once seemingly unassailable consumer loyalty.
It's in tough times that only the truly strong survive. But the
problem for Dixon and his management team is that they have cried wolf several times too often. For years, they have beaten staff over the head with dire predictions of doom about Qantas and the airline industry in general. This gave them the leeway to reduce pay and conditions and improve productivity within the airline which they, rightly, argue underpins the relative financial health of Qantas compared with its international competitors.
But it also has limited the effectiveness of the message. Frankly, no one - and particularly Qantas workers - believes a word management utters.
Geoff Dixon originally was a journalist. He rose through the Qantas ranks via the marketing and communications path, and he's an expert in the art of
massaging public opinion.
But there's only so many times you can get away with it.
The world economy is in the grip of an oil price shock that could make those of the 1970s look like mild tremors.
Airlines will be an early casualty and already the scythes are being unsheathed across America and Europe.
Qantas unions, meanwhile, are in an uproar over continued wage restraint proposals while the company is groaning at the seams with continued flight delays and reduced service knocking some serious dents in its once seemingly unassailable consumer loyalty.
It's in tough times that only the truly strong survive. But the
problem for Dixon and his management team is that they have cried wolf several times too often. For years, they have beaten staff over the head with dire predictions of doom about Qantas and the airline industry in general. This gave them the leeway to reduce pay and conditions and improve productivity within the airline which they, rightly, argue underpins the relative financial health of Qantas compared with its international competitors.
But it also has limited the effectiveness of the message. Frankly, no one - and particularly Qantas workers - believes a word management utters.
Geoff Dixon originally was a journalist. He rose through the Qantas ranks via the marketing and communications path, and he's an expert in the art of
massaging public opinion.
But there's only so many times you can get away with it.
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Better make it a "GOOD" offer Dickson. Your gunna need it to make it over the line pal. June 30 FAST approaching.
5% MINIMUM. All back pay 19 months worth at 5%
Sign on bonuses or should I say "Sign that aircraft out" bonuses for ALL LAMES.
A MANDATORY SIDE NOTE CLAUSE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF EBA 8
Your immediate resignation and that of your cronies.
5% MINIMUM. All back pay 19 months worth at 5%
Sign on bonuses or should I say "Sign that aircraft out" bonuses for ALL LAMES.
A MANDATORY SIDE NOTE CLAUSE FOR ACCEPTANCE OF EBA 8
Your immediate resignation and that of your cronies.
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Originally Posted by The masked goatrider
Third thinks he is the Be al and end all of LAMEs
If this is the guy i'm thinking of, he's from Melb Heavy and known by everybody as FIGJAM.
Third thinks he is the Be al and end all of LAMEs
If this is the guy i'm thinking of, he's from Melb Heavy and known by everybody as FIGJAM.
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Qantas braces for safety compliance shut downs
The painful reality for Qantas is that it is being done slowly but thoroughly by the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association
There appears to be a scab shortage.
The union members are still working, and being paid $$$$, and the airline is grinding to a halt around them.
The painful reality for Qantas is that it is being done slowly but thoroughly by the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association
There appears to be a scab shortage.
The union members are still working, and being paid $$$$, and the airline is grinding to a halt around them.
SLOWLY,SLOWLY,SLOWLY
Brilliant campaign ALAEA FED EXEC. Got them by the balls now fellas.
Isn't life grand at times.
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He better come to the party with a good offer, otherwise its game over. For those that need reminding of exactly where we would be if it was easy enough to train up a LAME, here is a link (from a few years back). Look familiar?
There is no way GD or DC would be showing us any mercy right now if we were easily replaced. We should be affording them the same level of loyalty that they (management) have shown Qf employees over the last few years.
Looks like the "wolf" cry is biting GD on the buttocks.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2004/604/31498
There is no way GD or DC would be showing us any mercy right now if we were easily replaced. We should be affording them the same level of loyalty that they (management) have shown Qf employees over the last few years.
Looks like the "wolf" cry is biting GD on the buttocks.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2004/604/31498
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For all who have asked about EBY (which is just out of Hong Kong outsourced maintenance).
It has been on the ground in Sydney for 8 days with 70 plus holds, fuel leaks etc,
local management thundering 'IT WILL GO & YOU WILL SIGN IT OUT" type threats, the plane might fly tonight SERVICEABLE.
Just imagine if we (the LAMEs) were locked out and the scabs moved in and signed anything management wanted.
A disaster waiting to happen.
Thanks ALAEA & LAMEs for being so professional in your duties not letting the scabs & bonus driven few send broken aircraft fly and endanger the flying public.
It has been on the ground in Sydney for 8 days with 70 plus holds, fuel leaks etc,
local management thundering 'IT WILL GO & YOU WILL SIGN IT OUT" type threats, the plane might fly tonight SERVICEABLE.
Just imagine if we (the LAMEs) were locked out and the scabs moved in and signed anything management wanted.
A disaster waiting to happen.
Thanks ALAEA & LAMEs for being so professional in your duties not letting the scabs & bonus driven few send broken aircraft fly and endanger the flying public.
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EBY Saga
From what I understand the last major check done in Singapore was a bare bones check to set the clock back, nothing was fixed....outsourcing what a marvelous idea, costs you 10 times as must and more.....This is exactly the same situation British Airways was 10 years ago...the fix - sack all management and bring it all back in house to put back quality into the brand name....EBY like the other 300 series aircraft were pretty reliable (apart from the el cheapo fuek qty system), use to fly to NRT as the QF21 at 2230 every night which was always a fun challenge, but normally departed without a hitch....Now look what has happened to them, it is a disgrace!
It is painful to watch a great company be destroyed by a few people with little or no qualifications, that call themselves managers. The status of the current fleet highlights managements shortfalls and lack of understanding maintenance!
It is painful to watch a great company be destroyed by a few people with little or no qualifications, that call themselves managers. The status of the current fleet highlights managements shortfalls and lack of understanding maintenance!
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In light of the apparent 'threats' being fairly easily thrown around by Atwell-H and his little puppies RH and KM et al, can I suggest we all familiarise ourselves with the phone number of CASA and the ATSB.
If you find yourselves on the end of a 'threat', veiled or otherwise, politely ask the manager to take a step back while you contact CASA, the ATSB and the ALAEA and ask them what their opinion is of the fact you are being threatened for dutifully carrying out your sworn duty as an AUSTRALIAN LICENCED ENGINEER with a licence granted by CASA...not Quanuts.
If the threat continues, or even escalates, carry through on the call to CASA and report the threat along with the threatener's name.
I think you'll find it's an offence punishable by jail time!!!
As a side note with an upbeat theme, seems a certain minor 'manager' and former assoc member at an un-named port isn't as far on the company's side as some would have expected, my sources tell me that he's only asked ame's to go the extra mile since the dispute started, saving the Lames the trouble of declining extra 'duties'. If I named him, which I won't, a lot of people would be VERY pleasantly surprised. to him!!
Sometimes support comes from unexpected places..........
If you find yourselves on the end of a 'threat', veiled or otherwise, politely ask the manager to take a step back while you contact CASA, the ATSB and the ALAEA and ask them what their opinion is of the fact you are being threatened for dutifully carrying out your sworn duty as an AUSTRALIAN LICENCED ENGINEER with a licence granted by CASA...not Quanuts.
If the threat continues, or even escalates, carry through on the call to CASA and report the threat along with the threatener's name.
I think you'll find it's an offence punishable by jail time!!!
As a side note with an upbeat theme, seems a certain minor 'manager' and former assoc member at an un-named port isn't as far on the company's side as some would have expected, my sources tell me that he's only asked ame's to go the extra mile since the dispute started, saving the Lames the trouble of declining extra 'duties'. If I named him, which I won't, a lot of people would be VERY pleasantly surprised.
to him!!Sometimes support comes from unexpected places..........
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For all who have asked about EBY (which is just out of Hong Kong outsourced maintenance).
Thus we are now paying a higher price to get closer to decent quality ( as good as it can be when QF send no spares!!) at HAECO.
Still, won't be as good as 245 !!!
Last edited by sickofqf; 11th Jun 2008 at 00:47. Reason: justified critiscism of AVV removed.