ROC man

In German on YouTube but you can auto translate. They normally also issue an English version.

Beamr

Ukrainska Pravda: Mayor of Enerhodar has advised all the residents to leave the city

"Since the situation at the Zaporizhzhia NPP can get out of control at any moment, the city authorities recommend that people living near the city of Enerhodar leave the city.
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The official advises that citizens leave Enerhodar and the area around it as soon as possible.

For those who can't do it for now but own a vehicle, it is recommended to keep it fully stocked with available survival kits, documents and valuables.

"Because if the situation gets out of control, we can expect that they (occupiers) will be obliged and forced to provide "corridors" for the population to leave that territory," added the deputy mayor of Enerhodar."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/7/7405765/

langleybaston

The three Ieper battles are a poor analogy, in that there was negligible street fighting: no CQB. From memory the only German formed unit to enter the city was cavalry reconnaisance very early in the war.

NutLoose

I don’t think it’s been mentioned but the ammonia pipeline has been damaged and it leaking to atmosphere, see

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NutLoose

Zelensky is shocked by UN / Red Crosses lack of response

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NutLoose

It appears they have got that woman and her children out of her house…. Or at least I think irs them..

NutLoose

Read this thread it’s heartbreaking but also pretty damning




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fdr

It is apparent that the original explosion was in November, which was done by the Russians, and the destruction of the dam has occurred due to the consequential damage and negligence of the occupiers, Russia is still the owner of the disaster, the act was the deliberate blasts. The progressive failure of the dam over the preceding week went unnoticed by the occupiers.

ORAC

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...alliance-chief

Nato members may send troops to Ukraine, warns former alliance chief

A group of Nato countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if member states including the US do not provide tangible security guarantees to Kyiv at the alliances’s summit in Vilnius, the former Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said.

Rasmussen, who has been acting as official adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, on Ukraine’s place in a future European security architecture, has been touring Europe and Washington to gauge the shifting mood before the critical summit starts on 11 July.

He also warned that even if a group of states did provide Ukraine with security guarantees, others would not allow the issue of Ukraine’s future Nato membership to be kept off the agenda at Vilnius.

Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.

“I think the Poles would seriously consider going in and assemble a coalition of the willing if Ukraine doesn’t get anything in Vilnius. We shouldn’t underestimate the Polish feelings, the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”

He said it would be entirely legal for Ukraine to seek such military assistance.

His striking suggestion that some states may regard the stakes as momentous enough to use their own troops could be seen as a warning to countries that the risks, including the threat to Nato unity, do not only come if Ukraine is provided a quick path to Nato membership, or powerful security guarantees. Germany remains wary of going too far, fearing it would provoke Russia.

Rasmussen said it was imperative that Ukraine should receive written security guarantees, preferably before the summit, but outside the Nato framework. These need to cover intelligence sharing, joint Ukraine training, enhanced ammunition production, Nato interoperability and a supply of arms sufficient to deter Russia from a further attack.


He said that “after a slow start, momentum was now building behind these ideas”, including in France.

Winemaker

I'm confused about the dam. Several posters here have stated that it was an earth dam that eroded from an over filled reservoir, but the section that collapsed was not earthen. From the New York Times today:
If the structure that failed was concrete it's obvious it was destroyed by the Russians with an internal explosion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/w...er_new_arm_5_1

RatherBeFlying

RF incompetence is a strong competitor to deliberate destruction.

It seems spillway control had been inop since November. Once water overtops an earthen barrier, the collapse is usually pretty quick. There's lots of YTs showing dam collapses.
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20driver

From what I can see negligence and stupidity appear the be the likely causes. Once water starts to pipe under a spillway the collapse is typically very sudden. To destroy that sort of structure with such a breach would require serious excavation and tons of explosives. Hard to do that unnoticed.
Dams are constantly monitored and operated according to protocols. Most dams have regular , even daily, inspection of the down steam face. I very much doubt this has being happening.

Buster Hyman

Based on a French design so…

Winemaker

True, but the spillway section was not earthen dam, it was reinforced concrete. The earthen dam section was the road section leading up to the spillway AFAIK. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the design; the dam was built in 1956 - are there drawings of the dam structure? Was this a concrete spillway on top of an earthen dam? That is certainly not unheard of, the recent Oroville dam debacle in California is certainly an example of this.

jolihokistix

In a recent satellite shot of the break and flow section, you could see the light-coloured ghost outline of a fairly clear rectangular box-like structure beneath the smoothly flowing water, looking very much like a base.

DaveReidUK

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

ORAC

Arguments broke out on the set of a Russian TV show when experts vehemently disagreed with the cover story about the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam. Bewildered hosts discovered that the only propagandist they could rely on was Tucker Carlson.…

You Tube

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fdr

It seems that the talking heads on the RU propaganda programs are unable to support a unanimous Russia good and maligned, Ukraine bad/nazi/devil/Nato/UK all bad and cause of everything from polio to the social disease that appears to affect Putin and his planning. When they clutch on the straw that is Tucker Carlson, it is a pretty dismal position.

The major demolition charges do appear to have been those of November, and those were Russian, not Ukrainian. The talking heads suggest that as Stalin blew away dams in 1941, (incidentally killing 80-100,000 Ukrainians in the process) that was not a war crime, and indeed it wasn't at that time, it was more genocide by Stalin of his countrymen, but there was a lot of that going around at that time. This is a specific war crime since 1977, something that USSR-Russia signed up to.

• If Russia deliberately blew the dam, it is a war crime, simple. Is that likely? absolutely, there is no indication that Russia cares about their own troops in the field, or the population that they state they are "here to help". Surviving Russian help is not a simple matter for anyone "lucky" enough to receive their "help". A war crime,
• If Russia blew demo charges in November, and nature took 6 months to complete the job, it is still a war crime, simple, it is an outcome that arises from the actions of Russia in furtherance of their crime spree.
• If Ukraine blew the dam by adding explosive chewing gum to beavers and teaching them to target the dam, with enough explosives strategically spaced to drop the dam, then Russia is still the perpetrator of the war crime, it is the foreseeable outcome of their crime spree. I do not believe that Ukraine did that at all, their beavers have been complaining about losing their habitat, and as the beaver population has more industrious spirit and competency than the remaining undead population of Russia, I don't imagine they would sign up to be a co-conspirator to such an endeavour. Not to worry, swap out beavers for 10,000 hi mars and the crime that Russia undertook that this was subsequential to is still on their shoulders.

Ukrainians had no forewarning of the disaster, had it been their actions by some extraordinary science, they have shown compassion at all times that would not be consistent with leaving their population in the way of their own actions. Russia however, has shown every day that they are quite happy to shoot their own troops, to kill their own citizens, and to disregard the safety of their own troops who have been digging what have become ditches, not trenches, that is exactly what Russia shows every day.

The plunger of this disaster may not have been pressed on 6 June 2023, or even November 2022, it was certainly due to a deliberate crime spree undertaken from 24 February 2022.

A number of countries within and without NATO are now suggesting that organised boots need to be added to the direct defence of Ukraine. This is not a Russia-phobia matter, it is a stop the murderous crime spree that the Russian population is happy supporting, as they get free Lada's, Russia routinely argues that they are the victim of Russia-phobia, and they use that as a justification of their brutal and abusive actions. They own what they are considered as being, they can change that if they actually wanted to be sober for a few years and join civilisation, personally, they can continue to occupy their characterisation as a brutish uncivilised bunch. This is what lack of engagement of the population in their own politics has resulted in, a far cry from Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, Sergei Rachmaninoff, Dmitry Shostakovich, Pussy riot, Oksana Grigorieva... The UN is disinterested in anything above celebrating a language day, they have zero moral spine and should not be given the time of day; the UN has made itself utterly irrelevant to any international order.

NutLoose

Russia photoshopping destroyed Turkish leo's into Ukraine war

NutLoose

Luhansk getting clobbered.


Wow