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Old 6th Jun 2023, 16:23
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Originally Posted by NutLoose

they also took out their own line of defence!
and they did cut out their opportunity to take Odessa and create way to Transnistria (not that they would've been able to anyway, but they locked out that option now)

Add to that the fact that they did cut 85% of Crimean water supply and flooded all their own positions and storages in that area plus endangered the Zaporizhzhia NPP, this is pure scorched earth policy by Russkies.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 16:27
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I thought Vlad said it would all be over in 3 days?
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 16:27
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
617 squadron and Barnes Wallis knew better.
Ukraine or Russia got any weapons similar to Upkeep, Tallboy or Grandslsm that would do the task and aeroplanes capable of carrying them? No.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 17:12
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
Why, was the BBMF Lancaster away from base for a few hours and are we missing an upkeep bomb ?
They were NOTAMed as flying on Sunday. Training flight? Talk about hiding in plain sight...
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 18:20
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One problem will be the shelters will now be under water..

What happened to my post of the medic doing superb work at keeping the wounded alive?
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 18:49
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Originally Posted by Ohrly
Hands up who thinks the UN will do anything about it? *Crickets*
Hands up who thinks anyone will stand up and hold the UN accountable for their lack of action? *More crickets*
The UN's limitations regarding collective security keep being exposed.
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and they did cut out their opportunity to take Odessa and create way to Transnistria (not that they would've been able to anyway, but they locked out that option now)
Add to that the fact that they did cut 85% of Crimean water supply and flooded all their own positions and storages in that area plus endangered the Zaporizhzhia NPP, this is pure scorched earth policy by Russkies.
Yeah, scorched earth is the first thing that crossed my mind, although 'soaked earth' applies in this case.
1. I don't think Russians intended further offensives in the Kherson area this year anyway, so their thinking probably went along the lines of "if we can't have it nobody can have it."
2. Their "own goal" regarding Crimea's water supply is a bit of a puzzler.
3. Grain futures markets are about to get very interesting for next year.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 18:55
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UN sinking fast...
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 19:06
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A new international body for democratic governments only?

Would this be possible -- goodby Russia, China, et al -- or is this simply an unachievable fantasy?.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 19:19
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There was a video of the explosion on a Russian Telegram channel. It was massive.
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/4354?single

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Old 6th Jun 2023, 20:18
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According to NBC, quoting two US officials and one western official, the US government has intelligence that indicates Russia is behind the blowing up of the Nova Kakhovka dam.

The administration is currently working to declassify intelligence to enable it to be shared...
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 20:45
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
Ukraine or Russia got any weapons similar to Upkeep, Tallboy or Grandslsm that would do the task and aeroplanes capable of carrying them? No.
Not the point I was making, which was a rejoinder to:

it is impossible to make such destruction from the outside, the damage here was done by planting explosives.

617 and Barnes Wallis.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 21:14
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
One problem will be the shelters will now be under water..

What happened to my post of the medic doing superb work at keeping the wounded alive?
It’s still there.

With the other 70 or so posts you’ve made in the past two days which a Mod has trawled through to find out what you are asking 🤔 🤬
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 21:24
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Originally Posted by peter we
There was a video of the explosion on a Russian Telegram channel. It was massive.
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/4354?single
That video is from November 2022. It was on the BBC at the time.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 21:28
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Originally Posted by Senior Pilot
It’s still there.

With the other 70 or so posts you’ve made in the past two days which a Mod has trawled through to find out what you are asking 🤔 🤬
The naughty step beckons.

Beyond that, the running 10 yard kick in the nuts with a clog, delivered by the village blacksmith.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 22:09
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Originally Posted by Senior Pilot
It’s still there.

With the other 70 or so posts you’ve made in the past two days which a Mod has trawled through to find out what you are asking 🤔 🤬
To be fair I add post in quotes for those that have trouble seeing posts due to the sites issues AND in thread so the mods can instantly read my posts.
ONLY when posts are of possibly a sensitive matter such as dead or wounded do I only post in quotes only, and then I ADD A WARNING, so the thread does not automatically throw up serious images of wounded individuals, as I do try not to upset those that may read the site who are either sensitive or underage.

The only other times I do not post a quote is when the link is massive and will fill a large section of the thread, in those cases I explain what the link is about and post a link in the thread.

I try like hell to appease everyone while keeping the thread relevant to what is going on……….

I feel this is the most important thread this site has, because it is the one thread that is dealing with not just the war, but the possible repercussions for both mankind and this planet, the rest is just trivia.

Thanks all.

Edit: I do thank the mods in the leeway we all appear to be given in keeping this thread relevant.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 22:29
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those on the Ukrainian side are lucky.

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Old 6th Jun 2023, 22:47
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Even Russia’s “friends“ appear that they are now turning their back on them.

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Overfly of the Dam showing extent of damaged structure..

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...nova_kakhovka/
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 23:52
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Originally Posted by BlankBox
Overfly of the Dam showing extent of damaged structure..

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...nova_kakhovka/
From the lack of turbulence in the wide gap it looks like they blew it up from the very bottom of the dam. The water level at the ex-powerhouse is almost to the blasted remains. Looks like the reservoir water level will drop a considerable distance. Obviously an inside job.

On another topic, Nutty has been doing yeoman service sifting through stuff. He gets it wrong occasionally, as I've pointed out a few times, but does go back, checks, and alters as necessary. Keep it up sir!
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 03:52
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They say you should plan for the peace.
I wonder what happens if Ukraine does succeed in liberating Crimea, and pushes Russia all the way back to 2014 borders and right out of Ukraine, thus `winning' the war.
Even if Ukraine puts up a border of iron along it's eastern frontiers, fortified by modern Western supplied weapons - what's to stop Russia continuing to wage very low-level warfare from it's own territory?
The odd Russian terrorist attack on Ukrainian territory, the odd Russian missile lobbed into Ukraine - maybe every few months or so.
At what point does NATO then allow Ukraine to join, accepting that an attack on Ukraine would then be an attack on NATO?
How does NATO define what would constitute a threshold attack on the newly admitted Ukraine which would trigger Article 5?
Vexed questions.
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