Originally Posted by
_Agrajag_
Fits well with the amateur look at stuff I did earlier today. No doubt at all that the dam started to fail between 1st/2nd June. Cause unknown. Doesn't matter a FF if it was Russian demolition charges or them deliberately letting the water level get too high. Either way it was a deliberate/negligent act that contravenes the rules of war.
Originally Posted by
StephanKoelliker
A rather interesting (non governmental) russian voice on what happened to the Kakhovka dam since Nov 2022 (linked and recommended by Ukrainian Ian Matveev) and what may have happened during the night of June 5/6:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ5LBb-H2lk
Basically it says ...
1) There's proof (satellite images) that the outflow of the dam was
not regulated by the Russians since mid-Nov 2022 (when they damaged the dam by a huge explosion)
2) The dam started to disintegrate on June 2 (probably as a result of record high water levels combined with criminal negligence by the Russians), with damage increasing on June 5
In addidtion, it's
3) showing night-time IR footage (night june 5/6, 02:46 AM) which indicates a large failure of the dam, but turbine building still intact (see 13:10 in the video linked before)
4) and the hypothesis that detonations heard actually were mines laid previously and detonating now as a result of being swept away and colliding with the collapsing dam
Hopefully everyone here now is aware that the
nighttime explosion videos linked everywhere are not from June 5/6 2023, but from Nov 2022 (when Russian retreated from the right bank and blew up the road above the dam).
S
Originally Posted by
ORAC
Arguments broke out on the set of a Russian TV show when experts vehemently disagreed with the cover story about the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam. Bewildered hosts discovered that the only propagandist they could rely on was Tucker Carlson.…
https://youtu.be/ZleGyZKTV9k
It seems that the talking heads on the RU propaganda programs are unable to support a unanimous Russia good and maligned, Ukraine bad/nazi/devil/Nato/UK all bad and cause of everything from polio to the social disease that appears to affect Putin and his planning. When they clutch on the straw that is Tucker Carlson, it is a pretty dismal position.
The major demolition charges do appear to have been those of November, and those were Russian, not Ukrainian. The talking heads suggest that as Stalin blew away dams in 1941, (incidentally killing 80-100,000 Ukrainians in the process) that was not a war crime, and indeed it wasn't at that time, it was more genocide by Stalin of his countrymen, but there was a lot of that going around at that time. This is a specific war crime since 1977, something that USSR-Russia signed up to.
- If Russia deliberately blew the dam, it is a war crime, simple. Is that likely? absolutely, there is no indication that Russia cares about their own troops in the field, or the population that they state they are "here to help". Surviving Russian help is not a simple matter for anyone "lucky" enough to receive their "help". A war crime,
- If Russia blew demo charges in November, and nature took 6 months to complete the job, it is still a war crime, simple, it is an outcome that arises from the actions of Russia in furtherance of their crime spree.
- If Ukraine blew the dam by adding explosive chewing gum to beavers and teaching them to target the dam, with enough explosives strategically spaced to drop the dam, then Russia is still the perpetrator of the war crime, it is the foreseeable outcome of their crime spree. I do not believe that Ukraine did that at all, their beavers have been complaining about losing their habitat, and as the beaver population has more industrious spirit and competency than the remaining undead population of Russia, I don't imagine they would sign up to be a co-conspirator to such an endeavour. Not to worry, swap out beavers for 10,000 hi mars and the crime that Russia undertook that this was subsequential to is still on their shoulders.
Ukrainians had no forewarning of the disaster, had it been their actions by some extraordinary science, they have shown compassion at all times that would not be consistent with leaving their population in the way of their own actions. Russia however, has shown every day that they are quite happy to shoot their own troops, to kill their own citizens, and to disregard the safety of their own troops who have been digging what have become ditches, not trenches, that is exactly what Russia shows every day.
The plunger of this disaster may not have been pressed on 6 June 2023, or even November 2022, it was certainly due to a deliberate crime spree undertaken from 24 February 2022.
A number of countries within and without NATO are now suggesting that organised boots need to be added to the direct defence of Ukraine. This is not a Russia-phobia matter, it is a stop the murderous crime spree that the Russian population is happy supporting, as they get free Lada's, Russia routinely argues that they are the victim of Russia-phobia, and they use that as a justification of their brutal and abusive actions. They own what they are considered as being, they can change that if they actually wanted to be sober for a few years and join civilisation, personally, they can continue to occupy their characterisation as a brutish uncivilised bunch. This is what lack of engagement of the population in their own politics has resulted in, a far cry from
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky,
Sergei Rachmaninoff, Dmitry Shostakovich, Pussy riot, Oksana Grigorieva... The UN is disinterested in anything above celebrating a language day, they have zero moral spine and should not be given the time of day; the UN has made itself utterly irrelevant to any international order.