Ukraine War Thread Part 2
Quite a lot of suggestions floating around that, in addition to the possibility of having been intentionally blown by either Russia or Ukraine, the dam could also have failed due to a combination previous damage and very high water levels.
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On the face if it, unless the Russians are planning on pulling out altogether, this looks like something of an own goal in relation to Crimea's water. Ukraine is an even less likely culprit, given that this effectively denies them one potential line of advance and they have up till now maintained the moral high ground. Of course, the Russian military is claimed to have previously mined the structure and are not unfamiliar with SNAFUs so.... Going to be interesting to watch this develop.
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It looks like in several places, that has to be an act of utter desperation on the Russian side.
Doesn't look like desperation to me. The Russians have had the dam mined since last year and have been waiting for the right moment to blow it up. The Ukranian counter-attack was a good moment - destroying Ukranian Kherson and protecting Russian occupied Crimea from the NorthWest. Hopefully no-one is surprised.
Doesn't look like desperation to me. The Russians have had the dam mined since last year and have been waiting for the right moment to blow it up. The Ukranian counter-attack was a good moment - destroying Ukranian Kherson and protecting Russian occupied Crimea from the NorthWest. Hopefully no-one is surprised.
And no, I don't believe anyone will be surprised. I would imagine the Ukrainians have anticipated this and planned accordingly.
The main flooding will affect the Russian held left bank, which is the lowlands and delta. For what I've read the city of Kherson (under UKR forces) is in relative safety.
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See the second of my links at #1440..
The most densely built-up area downstream from the dam is the port city of Kherson, which is roughly 60km away and has a population of 300,000. Modelling calculated by Swedish specialists Dämningsverket and published on cornucopia.se, which has assumed a breach of 200m in diameter, says that the wave would take 19 hours to reach the city and could be between 4m to 5m high by the time it does. A wider breach would result in a bigger, faster and more destructive wave.
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It's not often I agree with Laughitoff, but in this case I do..
Previously there were three main "World Powers", the USA, China and Russia, since the Ukrainian war this "new World order" does indeed need to be addressed and Russia needs removing from that top listing and shuffling down to somewhere below that of Ukraine, that should balance it out about right. So yes, I agree with him.
Previously there were three main "World Powers", the USA, China and Russia, since the Ukrainian war this "new World order" does indeed need to be addressed and Russia needs removing from that top listing and shuffling down to somewhere below that of Ukraine, that should balance it out about right. So yes, I agree with him.
#BREAKING Any Ukraine peace talks should be about 'new world order': Lavrov
The video shows high order detonations of many tons of explosive, it was not a 155, Himar's or any other small package explosive charge, It will have recorded on seismometers, and it is in the 10 Ton+ sort of range, (it looked like a MOAB), and Ukraine doesn't have one of those. It was also a series of high order explosives, history will show it to have been the Russian mines, and that is a deliberate war crime. This was not Ukraine taking advantage of a gain in Crimea, it's a Russian controlled area, Russia explosives and Russian callous disregard of the common decency of being a civilised race. Crimea has lost 85% of its water supply which speaks to the callous nature the Russian psyche, they don't care about their own people, they don't care about being a member of civilised society they care only about brutality, vodka, and continuation of their crime spree. I do hope that Ukraine assists them now by taking out the Kerch Bridge, and dropping it into the waterway to preclude navigation by Russians within the Sea of Azov and into the Black Sea. That is worth half a dozen strikes, and at the same time, it is past due for Ukraine to interdict every rail line and bridge between Rostov and Crimea. Way past time.
UN, this is on you for failing to abide by your own charter. The UN elects to pussy foot about with criminal intent of nations, and it ends in tears.
ZNPP is off line or in cool down, but the cooling pools for the spent fuel have just lost their water supply. This has the potential to cause famine directly from the loss of irrigation in Ukraine, Russia giving the world a second look at Holodomor, as they did in the 30's, and to have a radiological disaster of the region, Eastern Europe, the most productive parts of Russia, the Black Sea, and the 'Stans, and potentially reaching out and touching the Chinese and the countries in the Med, north africa, and the coastal surrounds, unless we change our luck, and as far as I can see, the window latches on the 6th floor still seem to be holding at the Krimlin.
Russia has proven that they care nothing about the Crimean population, or that of Kherson or Zaporizhia oblasts. they are without honour, and continue to be the equivalent of a virulent social disease. They care nothing for their own population, so at least like Putin and his competency, they are consistent.
Slava Ukrain.
P.S.: this is the second time in history that the dam has been destroyed, the first time to delay the Nazi's, this time by the Nazi's of the Kremlin.
Sky News being as accurate as one expects... wouldn't be surprised to see London labeled as Belgorod...
perhaps they are using Russian targeting charts?
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it appears Russia has been using the water to top up the crimean reservoirs, and have enough, I wonder how targetable they are.
https://www.reuters.com/article/ukra...-idAFS8N37R0KD
https://www.reuters.com/article/ukra...-idAFS8N37R0KD
it appears Russia has been using the water to top up the crimean reservoirs, and have enough, I wonder how targetable they are.
https://www.reuters.com/article/ukra...-idAFS8N37R0KD
https://www.reuters.com/article/ukra...-idAFS8N37R0KD
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Well although it has a big reservoirs, all Ukraine needs to do is hit the pumping stations and then they will go thirsty
Well that would require their small (?) stock of Storm-Shadow, and they would then be guilty of the same blunders as the Russians: hitting civilian targets when they need to hit military ones, and also causing shortages for the civilian population
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First satellite images of the dam...Not good. Just lucky Russia has spent all those months digging trenches drainage ditches.
Who would have thought this would become a problem?
Well there is some good news out of it all.
Who would have thought this would become a problem?
Well there is some good news out of it all.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Very important on #Kakhovka. The chronology of the terrorist attack by Russian terrorists. Or how Russians screwed in their excuses.
At two o'clock in the morning, the Russians blow up the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station, but they don't see how much. It's not very visible, but it can still hit.
1. The Russians still think that they have neatly blown up a small part of the HPP and are flooding our military on the islands. At 6:06 a.m., the head of Nova Kakhovka, Leontyev, said that the explosion of the GES was nonsense. Like, we don't know why the water rose there. Here is the link to Ria Novosti's archive.is/aTyK8
2. Russian OSINT intelligence community Rybar picks up the thesis and says a small area was blown up at 6:51 a.m. Link archive.ph/flapa
3. At 6:51 in Nova Kakhovka, they see that the dam is a complete ass, and the mom's stratagems start to realize that they are in trouble. The mayor of Nova Kakhovka abruptly changes his rhetoric and says there was no explosion, it was a shelling by the Ukrainian army. Link archive.ph/LFFKF
4. But the propagandists, who do not know what the **** has happened, continue to work according to the methodology and continue to throw into the information space that the dam was previously shelled, and then it got a little tired and broke a little. Here is a post by Podolyaki's propagandist archive.ph/DgQIV. And the propaganda channel War on Fakes archive.ph/GRN55
5. Other telegram channels that cooperate with the military are happily hopping on one leg, cheering, because of the undermining of the Kakhovka dam, the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the islands are flooded, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to evacuate and escape, and then they publish joyful reports of how they are hitting the positions of our guys on the islands. 08:25 Link archive.ph/c0iHL
6. Here, the Russians are slowly realizing that they have created a large-scale man-made environmental disaster, almost as large as Chernobyl. And they are starting to reverse. Russian influence on the information space is changing its tone dramatically. They instantly change their tune and start accusing the Ukrainian side of provocations. Like it's a Bankova operation A reference to the same "war on fakes" that said the dam had somehow collapsed on its own.... archive.ph/x8uwT
But even in their excuses, the racists still screwed up. Either the dam was blown up, or Olha was shelled with MLRS.... archive.ph/uF0Xm Although any sapper will give a hundred percent guarantee that it is impossible to make such destruction from the outside, the damage here was done by planting explosives
And then they are already beginning to adhere to this thesis, because what they have done is a huge international tragedy, especially in the environmental sense.
I have translated this text from t.me/jurnko Telegram channel..
At two o'clock in the morning, the Russians blow up the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station, but they don't see how much. It's not very visible, but it can still hit.
1. The Russians still think that they have neatly blown up a small part of the HPP and are flooding our military on the islands. At 6:06 a.m., the head of Nova Kakhovka, Leontyev, said that the explosion of the GES was nonsense. Like, we don't know why the water rose there. Here is the link to Ria Novosti's archive.is/aTyK8
2. Russian OSINT intelligence community Rybar picks up the thesis and says a small area was blown up at 6:51 a.m. Link archive.ph/flapa
3. At 6:51 in Nova Kakhovka, they see that the dam is a complete ass, and the mom's stratagems start to realize that they are in trouble. The mayor of Nova Kakhovka abruptly changes his rhetoric and says there was no explosion, it was a shelling by the Ukrainian army. Link archive.ph/LFFKF
4. But the propagandists, who do not know what the **** has happened, continue to work according to the methodology and continue to throw into the information space that the dam was previously shelled, and then it got a little tired and broke a little. Here is a post by Podolyaki's propagandist archive.ph/DgQIV. And the propaganda channel War on Fakes archive.ph/GRN55
5. Other telegram channels that cooperate with the military are happily hopping on one leg, cheering, because of the undermining of the Kakhovka dam, the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the islands are flooded, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to evacuate and escape, and then they publish joyful reports of how they are hitting the positions of our guys on the islands. 08:25 Link archive.ph/c0iHL
6. Here, the Russians are slowly realizing that they have created a large-scale man-made environmental disaster, almost as large as Chernobyl. And they are starting to reverse. Russian influence on the information space is changing its tone dramatically. They instantly change their tune and start accusing the Ukrainian side of provocations. Like it's a Bankova operation A reference to the same "war on fakes" that said the dam had somehow collapsed on its own.... archive.ph/x8uwT
But even in their excuses, the racists still screwed up. Either the dam was blown up, or Olha was shelled with MLRS.... archive.ph/uF0Xm Although any sapper will give a hundred percent guarantee that it is impossible to make such destruction from the outside, the damage here was done by planting explosives
And then they are already beginning to adhere to this thesis, because what they have done is a huge international tragedy, especially in the environmental sense.
I have translated this text from t.me/jurnko Telegram channel..
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