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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 11th Mar 2023, 20:00
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Not a lot left of it.

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Old 11th Mar 2023, 20:25
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Early footage just released of Russian forces destroying one of their helicopters at Hostomel prior to leaving, a bit heavy on the explosives there.



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Old 11th Mar 2023, 21:04
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While I'm sceptical that many of the industrial fires posted here are any more than the usual day to day industrial bungles of a gigantic nation renowned for spectacular industrial bungles the torchng of military arcraft in Vladivostok of all places is intrigueing. Vladivostok is geographically about as far from Ukraine as it's possible to get in Russcist terms - so to see what on the face of it seems possibly anti Russcist action is as interesting as it is commendable.
Unrest in the 'stans' and remoter states could well be a sign that mothers are finally missing sons to the extent that the bereaved begin to take action. Ukraine can never defeat Russia alone, ultimately it simply does not contain enough consumable bodies; only Russia can defeat Russia. The more factories and Migs that mysteriously self-immolate entire time-zones remote from Ukraine's direct influence might well indicate a welcome start to a kick-back against Putain's vile dictatorship.

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Pakistan is offering 44 T80UD tanks to Ukraine in exchange for western financial aid.
Sources on this are somewhat dodgy, but the chances of them getting an IMF loan are virtually non existent considering they failed to abide by the conditions of previously issued loans. If they want to sell the 380 sure maybe the west should by them but it should be a straight purchase. Pakistan is in DEEP financial trouble, the short of it is that its estimted pakistan is down 3 billion or less in foreign exchange. They have loan repayment and servicing due in the next 12 months between 25 and 33 billion dollars,
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WW2 is back. Meet the Soviet Russian Bradley: MT-LB with a 2M-7 naval gun (dating back to 1944).

First they they sent their sailors to the front and now they are sending their naval guns as well. What next, torpedoes on ZIL-131?


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Originally Posted by Beamr
WW2 is back. Meet the Soviet Russian Bradley: MT-LB with a 2M-7 naval gun (dating back to 1944).

First they they sent their sailors to the front and now they are sending their naval guns as well. What next, torpedoes on ZIL-131?

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...90682849648644
Do you think Ukraine will put that back into service ?
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Old 12th Mar 2023, 10:45
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Do you think Ukraine will put that back into service ?
the MT-LB surely, but will it be with the turret I don't know.

The turret is said to weigh 600kg without ammunition and the vehicle can carry roughly 1500kg so that makes it top heavy and reduces the capabilities as an APC. Certainly wouldn't swim with that thing.
What's the reasoning behind I would like to know, that turret with 14,5mm guns doesn't make it an IFV, nor MBT, not a AA-platform and declines the use as an APC. Maybe a mobile part of a fortified position, way to move heavy MG?
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Russia has lost 10 times more tanks than Germany at Kursk. Almost 90 battalions. At what point does the Russian armoured arm of the military cease to exist?
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Originally Posted by uxb99
Russia has lost 10 times more tanks than Germany at Kursk. Almost 90 battalions. At what point does the Russian armoured arm of the military cease to exist?
I would guess there will be two dates.
1) When it really ceases to exist
2) When the Defence Ministry gathers its courage to tell Putin ( although Prighozin may well whisper to him before that )
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This update is kindof "Meh". Like Putin cares. Russia knows what's happening and cannot change that fact. No one cares (in Russia) if the lesser Russian is being killed in favour of the Elite. They can't do anything about it.
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
I would guess there will be two dates.
1) When it really ceases to exist
2) When the Defence Ministry gathers its courage to tell Putin ( although Prighozin may well whisper to him before that )
Whatever, it canít happen soon enough.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Fascinating thoughts of a French General.



https://mobile.twitter.com/NOELrepor...18033167876099
One wonders what physcopathic, murdering thug would rise to the top of the swamp scum this time.
”Wash, rinse, repeat” aka “ Here we go again!”
I can hear it now: “We will hold free and democratic elections…after which I shall assume power for life, anyone disagree?”
One thing I learned in my travels….Any country which features the words “Democratic Republic of” prominently in the name is neither of those. In the case of the Russian Federation or whatever the successor is called the same will hold true.

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Originally Posted by Beamr
the MT-LB surely, but will it be with the turret I don't know.

The turret is said to weigh 600kg without ammunition and the vehicle can carry roughly 1500kg so that makes it top heavy and reduces the capabilities as an APC. Certainly wouldn't swim with that thing.
What's the reasoning behind I would like to know, that turret with 14,5mm guns doesn't make it an IFV, nor MBT, not a AA-platform and declines the use as an APC. Maybe a mobile part of a fortified position, way to move heavy MG?
Strange we should be discussing this.as I have just read the following article about the Rheinmetall Skyranger - a turret system which can be fitted on any suitably-sized IFV/APC. Two systems have just been delivered to Ukraine for testing. It has an Oerlikon 35 mm rotary- cannon firing between 200 and 1 000 rounds/minute with a range of 4 000 m .and is hoped to be especially effective against the Shahad drones. The turret weighs 4.5 tonnes.

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Q estimates of Wagners losses.

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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Strange we should be discussing this.as I have just read the following article about the Rheinmetall Skyranger...
the difference is that the Skyranger is an effective modern AA system built to be installed on an armored vehicle.

The legacy soviet 2M-7 trawler mounted gun is not.
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Originally Posted by Beamr
the difference is that the Skyranger is an effective modern AA system built to be installed on an armored vehicle.

The legacy soviet 2M-7 trawler mounted gun is not.

Yeah the equvialent to the abomination russia fielded would be the TUK TUK with the maxim machine gun mounted on it or the ute (truck) with the twin maxim 1910's and red dot scope being used for anti drone use. I spent time as a gunner in a sustained fire machine gun platoon. We trained to fire them in indirect fire so I could be some edge case usage of them, but comparing them to them capability of a modern radar guided AA with fused airbursting rounds is pretty retarded
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Originally Posted by uxb99
Russia has lost 10 times more tanks than Germany at Kursk. Almost 90 battalions. At what point does the Russian armoured arm of the military cease to exist?
Unfortunately, to put things in perspective a bit as to the sort of losses that Russia considers "acceptable", the Soviets at Kursk lost between 5 and 10 times more tanks than the Germans did (there is a wide variation in the estimates of Soviet losses, and apparently Stalin and company didn't care to keep good records). So the Russian tank losses in Ukraine are roughly equal to Soviet losses at Kursk.
Then again, at Kursk, the Soviets could stand to lose 10 to 1 because they were outproducing the Germans by over 20 to 1, and Stalin's concern over human casualties was pretty much non-existent (sort of like Putin).
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