Is Ukraine about to have a war?

[Timelord]

More military brilliance from the HoC Defence select committee chairman this morning: “Let’s get our 60 Tucanos out of storage and give them to Ukraine to deliver Stormshadow and Maverick! “

[Not_a_boffin]

Originally Posted by Timelord

More military brilliance from the HoC Defence select committee chairman this morning: “Let’s get our 60 Tucanos out of storage and give them to Ukraine to deliver Stormshadow and Maverick! “

I'm surprised Nice But Tobias didn't suggest putting a ventral turret on them - he has a turret obsession.

[FUMR]

Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan

Well, since you've stated no military knowledge, and you can have no insight into the forces available on either side, how do you reach this decision which is at odds with the current development of the war, and totally ignores the absolutely overwhelming superiority of the forces supporting Ukraine ? The point you make in many of your posts of slow and inadequate arms-delivery, I half-agree with, but this is such an uncertain and novel experience for Western politicians, that I can't tale it amiss that they have been making slow moves, awaiting results, before taking the next step.

Please note that my post was in reply to MJ89's post. I began my post with "If this is true". Btw, I have over the months also read numerous posts from so-called experts which turned out to be relative nonsense. This has disillusioned me. We all have opinions and they will for sure differ.

[Beamr]

Blimey, aviation content. UH-60A with Ukrainian markings on it. Many more of these? Or just Bidens exit plan Y just in case...

Twitter

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...30764309782533

[uxb99]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

Yes of course i do, hence I said independent Peace Keepers simply to back up the Modovan services if requested.



I believe it was stated that only after the war. ( and then they may be Tranch 1, ugraded Tranch 1 or even new builds and passing on our older jets.. who knows.)



https://twitter.com/Feher_Junior/sta...47267109220355

How potent is the Typhoon compared to other countries aircraft and what would be the ramifications if one fell into the enemies hands?
The Typhoon without tanker support doesn't seem the right bit of kit.

[albatross]

Originally Posted by uxb99

How potent is the Typhoon compared to other countries aircraft and what would be the ramifications if one fell into the enemies hands?
The Typhoon without tanker support doesn't seem the right bit of kit.

JOKE
No problem re the Typhoon and tanker support: take some tankers, sheep-dip them, put an Exxon or Shell sign on them and a notice that states they accept Visa/ Mastercard and Debit. Open for business.
If anyone asks embarrassing questions : “Admit Nothing, Deny Everything and Issue Contra-accusations”.

If a Typhoon were to fall into enemy hands it would probably be in very small pieces.
JOKE OVER and OUT.

“Hat, Coat, Door”

[ORAC]

Breaking: Republican chairman of the house foreign affairs committee says that the momentum in Washington was shifting towards sending long-range missiles and fighter jets to Ukraine - Reuters

[212man]

Yes of course i do, hence I said independent Peace Keepers simply to back up the Modovan services if requested.

Not sure it was obvious you know. How you would imagine any NATO force could go into (effectively) an enclave in Ukraine, that is being targeted by the Russians, and have any kind of meaningful peace keeping role? Just because Romania is bordering Ukraine (and Moldova was part of the kingdom) does not make it philosophically/legally different to sending in Spain or France. Romania still flies Mig-21s so it’s not exactly a cutting edge military either (hence the bolstered NATO presence within).

[uxb99]

Originally Posted by 212man

Not sure it was obvious you know. How you would imagine any NATO force could go into (effectively) an enclave in Ukraine, that is being targeted by the Russians, and have any kind of meaningful peace keeping role? Just because Romania is bordering Ukraine (and Moldova was part of the kingdom) does not make it philosophically/legally different to sending in Spain or France. Romania still flies Mig-21s so it’s not exactly a cutting edge military either (hence the bolstered NATO presence within).

Isn't peacekeeping the remit of the UN? Modern militaries are peace restorers not keepers.

[Tartiflette Fan]

Originally Posted by 212man

Not sure it was obvious you know. How you would imagine any NATO force could go into (effectively) an enclave in Ukraine, that is being targeted by the Russians, and have any kind of meaningful peace keeping role? Just because Romania is bordering Ukraine (and Moldova was part of the kingdom) does not make it philosophically/legally different to sending in Spain or France. Romania still flies Mig-21s so it’s not exactly a cutting edge military either (hence the bolstered NATO presence within).

I find that really puzzling. Given one on-going - and here the discussion of a second - invasion, I find it completely legitimate to use "fear of invasion" "destabilisation of a neighbouring state " as reasons. If one wished to be ironic, the protection of "a large minority of Romanian citizens " could be employed. It would need an invitation from Moldova however, and their new government is of an unknown quantity ( to me, at least ).

[NutLoose]

Originally Posted by Timelord

More military brilliance from the HoC Defence select committee chairman this morning: “Let’s get our 60 Tucanos out of storage and give them to Ukraine to deliver Stormshadow and Maverick! “

The only way you will fire a Maverick off the U.K. variant of the Tucano is to bang Tom Cruise out of the back.. it really makes you wonder when the Defense select committee do not even know the capabilities of the equipment we have, they probably read the Super Tucano blurb and thought, hey we have a shed full of those

https://thehill.com/opinion/internat...-capabilities/

Jeez they will probable send the Hercs too because there is an armed version they had heard about.

Tucano were for sale 2021.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Fact_Sheet.pdf

[212man]

Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan

I find that really puzzling. Given one on-going - and here the discussion of a second - invasion, I find it completely legitimate to use "fear of invasion" "destabilisation of a neighbouring state " as reasons. If one wished to be ironic, the protection of "a large minority of Romanian citizens " could be employed. It would need an invitation from Moldova however, and their new government is of an unknown quantity ( to me, at least ).

I don’t think there’s any fear of invasion, precisely because Romania is in NATO. Right now the news centres on being blocked from Schengen entry and the US visa waiver programme. And the Tate brothers..,,,,

[Buster15]

Originally Posted by uxb99

How potent is the Typhoon compared to other countries aircraft and what would be the ramifications if one fell into the enemies hands?
The Typhoon without tanker support doesn't seem the right bit of kit.

So what is the general consensus. Will the West agree to supply Ukraine with fast jets.
And if so, which jets would be the most appropriate for Ukraine needs. But which jets would most likely be provided.

[212man]

Originally Posted by Buster15

So what is the general consensus. Will the West agree to supply Ukraine with fast jets.
And if so, which jets would be the most appropriate for Ukraine needs. But which jets would most likely be provided.

Polish Mig-29s I’d guess. Western jets will be too big a step change, during the conflict. After? Whole different story.

[fdr]

Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin

I'm surprised Nice But Tobias didn't suggest putting a ventral turret on them - he has a turret obsession.

A Boulton Paul Toucan

[langleybaston]

Originally Posted by fdr

A Boulton Paul Toucan

Ventral [and indeed dorsal] turrets might have made aircrew feel safer but came with a whole sack of problems .......... extra weight, limited visibility, shooting down friendlies to name but a few.
Oh! no John, no John ................. !

[Tartiflette Fan]

Originally Posted by 212man

I don’t think there’s any fear of invasion, precisely because Romania is in NATO. Right now the news centres on being blocked from Schengen entry and the US visa waiver programme. And the Tate brothers..,,,,

Reference was to Moldova. Clear that stepping on Romania ramps things up factor of 10.

[rattman]

Bloomberg reporting that JDAM - ER will be delivered
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-21/boeing-to-provide-ukraine-long-range-version-of-gps-guided-bomb?srnd=premium-europe#xj4y7vzkg


The 500 pound JDAM-ER is designed by boeing australia and the RAAF and produced only in australia. The 2000 pound version the same but by South Korea


Also some claims that the meeting yesterday that longer range missiles were approved. 220km so guess that only atacms

[ORAC]

Ukrainian President Zelensky has stated he’s recently received Intelligence that shows Russia is preparing to Capture the International Airport in the Moldavian Capital of Chișinău.

[NutLoose]

It is being reported on CNN that the USSR Russia tested an ICBM while Biden was in Ukraine and just like their military, it failed.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/21/p...est/index.html

Two more Oligarchs and their families die early.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/22/russian-oligarchs-found-dead-within-days-todd-dnt-tsr-vpx.cnn?dicbo=v2-zp4cpgq&iid=ob_lockedrail_topeditorial


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