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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 16th Feb 2023, 20:25
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Originally Posted by henra
There was no plan?!
There was a plan.
The plan was based on never going to war, so we only require what we need to cover minimum training needs and a few yearly exercises......and therefore we can use that wonderful civilian method of JIT direct from the suppliers and we can save a fortune by getting rids of all those expensive storage facilities and personnel to look after it all.
Job done, box ticked, where's my tea and medals?

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Old 16th Feb 2023, 20:51
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
There was a plan.
The plan was based on never going to war, so we only require what we need to cover minimum training needs and a few yearly exercises......and therefore we can use that wonderful civilian method of JIT direct from the suppliers and we can save a fortune by getting rids of all those expensive storage facilities and personnel to look after it all.
Job done, box ticked, where's my tea and medals?
Joke. A military friend used to call yearly exercises “ The Annual Firing of the Shell “ which after missing by a mile, would be retrieved after a long search, polished up for use next year and returned to stores. According to him if it wasn’t found reams of paperwork on “Shell, Sn 17657 Loss of” would be required, Courts martial, demotions in rank and seniority for those not responsible would follow.
Supply would be reduced to tears as they had become quite attached to it. Joke Over.

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Old 16th Feb 2023, 21:12
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Originally Posted by albatross
Joke. A military friend used to call yearly exercises “ The Annual Firing of the Shell “ which after missing by a mile, would be retrieved after a long search, polished up for use next year and returned to stores. According to him if it wasn’t found reams of paperwork on “Shell, Sn 17657 Lose of” would be required, Courts martial, demotions in rank and seniority for those not responsible would follow.
Supply would be reduced to tears as they had become quite attached to it. Joke Over.
You may joke, aviation wise why do you think we had practice thousand pound bombs painted blue, they were full of concrete and could be dropped and recovered, a new tail fin fitted and used again.
I seem to remember they were also used later in smaller sizes for dropping buildings on top of the bad guys without a blast to protect those around the buildings perimeter, the weight and momentum of the guided bomb causing the building to collapse in on itself killing those inside.

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A sad sight unharvested Sunflowers, one hopes the farmers have survived.

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Old 16th Feb 2023, 21:28
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
You may joke, aviation wise why do you think we had practice thousand pound bombs painted blue, they were full of concrete and could be dropped and recovered, a new tail fin fitted and used again.
I seem to remember they were also used later in smaller sizes for dropping buildings on top of the bad guys without a blast to protect those around the buildings perimeter, the weight and momentum of the guided bomb causing the building to collapse in on itself killing those inside.

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Momentum is mass x velocity, so includes "weight" unless we are being even more pedantic than my norm.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 21:29
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Color coding is not on a weapon to help you find it afterwards, its an international agreement, Blue happens to be a practice round.
https://quizlet.com/122690667/ammuni...s-flash-cards/
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 21:42
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
You may joke, aviation wise why do you think we had practice thousand pound bombs painted blue, they were full of concrete and could be dropped and recovered, a new tail fin fitted and used again.
I seem to remember they were also used later in smaller sizes for dropping buildings on top of the bad guys without a blast to protect those around the buildings perimeter, the weight and momentum of the guided bomb causing the building to collapse in on itself killing those inside.

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During the Battle of the River Plate two blue practice rounds were fired at the Scharnhorst. They came up on the hoist and so had to be got rid of. Being solid rounds they did quite a bit of damage. The damage was recorded in the ships damage report shortly before being scuttled.
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Su-24M2 tactical bomber seen over Kherson Oblast today.
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Originally Posted by 1771 DELETE
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Color coding is not on a weapon to help you find it afterwards, its an international agreement, Blue happens to be a practice round.
https://quizlet.com/122690667/ammuni...s-flash-cards/
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During the Battle of the River Plate two blue practice rounds were fired at the Scharnhorst. They came up on the hoist and so had to be got rid of. Being solid rounds they did quite a bit of damage. The damage was recorded in the ships damage report shortly before being scuttled.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 21:55
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And yet there still seems to be no shortage of Russian tanks.
Can you say what that is based on ? Tracking the number plates ...or just how round the turrets are ?
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 22:01
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You may joke, aviation wise why do you think we had practice thousand pound bombs painted blue, they were full of concrete and could be dropped and recovered, a new tail fin fitted and used again.
I seem to remember they were also used later in smaller sizes for dropping buildings on top of the bad guys
Lots dropped in anger in GWI.

Iraqis positioned their aircraft*, tanks etc around mosques, hospitals, schools etc so they’d be safe from attack because of the collateral damage.

A practice bomb with an LGB kit proved more than effective at totally destroying a tank or aircraft etc without damaging the building alongside.

*They towed the aircraft off the airfield and towed it back before a sortie.

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/07/w...rete-bomb.html

A problem which also led to the development of the SDB and the R9X.
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That leaves 4999 donated German helmets.. very lucky guy

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Old 16th Feb 2023, 22:09
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Originally Posted by albatross
Attacks using tanks with no infantry support is not a real good idea.
Conversely attacks using infantry with no tank or other armoured support is not a good idea either.
Both are lose, lose scenarios.


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As an aside I think that with all the $$$$$++++++ NATO has spent on defence that when push comes to shove and we don’t have huge supplies of ammunition is blatant incompetence. 2 years to produce more? Good gawd what was the plan if NATO itself had been attacked? Go ugly (nuclear) early?
Some think that they just want to supply enough arms and munitions to let the war drag on.
Heavens forbid that they allow Ukraine to target stuff far inside Russia because “It may be seen as a provocation”. Talk about having to fight with one arm tied behind your back. Repelling a vicious attack by the local insane bully is not a boxing match with a referee and the Marquess of Queensberry Rules!
I share your opinion, but the basis is that companies need contracts to produce and this is something that defence organisations have been slow to produce.. Media chats cost nothing, but a contract for 100 000 x 155 mm shells requires a few (accountable ? ) names at the bottom.
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Reported build up of 10,000 Russian troops in Sumy

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Old 16th Feb 2023, 22:44
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That is very interesting, though disturbing. I'd like to blame it all on Putin.
Someone posted a link to a similar publication from another baltic nation intelligence service which I can not find anymore.

I know it is a long read, but it is definitely a 'know thine enemy' piece.
https://ekspress.delfi.ee/artikkel/1...ussian-cruelty
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More on the Russian build up near Sumy

https://twitter.com/search?q=Sumy&src=typed_query

I do wonder if this is the reason Lukashenko warns Belarus will join Russia if it comes under attack, it is to try and prevent Ukraine striking the Russian armour parks and the troop concentrations before the attack begins and thwarting it.
I personally think the only reason he hasn’t joined the war so far is he realises his position is tolerated and if he did his army and people may well revolt and oust him with prejudice. Russia are keeping him in power but with the way things are going I think they would be pushed / struggle to come to his aid.



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I see another person has thrown herself out a window…

Marina Yankina a top Russian defence official was found dead after falling out of window from the 16th floor of a tower block….she was a key figure in getting funding for Putin for the war.
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SOPS.

See post 14649.
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Old 17th Feb 2023, 05:20
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UXB,
I think you mean Admiral Graf Spee - Scharnhorst was not at the River Plate action in 1939 (although I'm not sure about the action in 1914 off the Falklands but that's a different ship)
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