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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 08:42
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Originally Posted by NutLoose

France to provide long range artillery and Milan missiles


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Who are the French supplying them to?

I know it's paywalled but here's an extract from today's Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...eapons-russia/

France and Germany armed Russia with €273 million (£230 million) of military hardware now likely being used in Ukraine, an EU analysis shared with The Telegraph has revealed.

They sent equipment, which included bombs, rockets, missiles and guns, to Moscow despite an EU-wide embargo on arms shipments to Russia, introduced in the wake of its 2014 annexation of Crimea.

The European Commission was this month forced to close a loophole in its blockade after it was found that at least 10 member states exported almost €350 million (£294 million) in hardware to Vladimir Putin’s regime. Some 78 per cent of that total was supplied by German and French firms.
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The European Commission was this month forced to close a loophole in its blockade after it was found that at least 10 member states exported almost €350 million (£294 million) in hardware to Vladimir Putin’s regime. Some 78 per cent of that total was supplied by German and French firms.
That's going to hurt Macron if it is true.

France and Germany are going to end up dividing and destroying the EU at this rate - they are still paying Putin for gas and have also been supply him arms thanks to a 'loophole' in the arms embargo - pretty bloody distasteful.
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 11:02
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From what I have read, the so called loophole, was an agreement that, as part of the embargo. pre-existing contracts from before 2014 could honoured. France and Germany did so. as did 10 other countries, including the UK. There is a lot of faux outrage as this is not actually new news but the DT is running it as an "exclusive". Why they might do this, I can't possibly comment.
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 11:29
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How nice of the Spetsnaz troops to place big red squares on their gear. Kind of makes camouflage pointless but whatever makes them feel comfortable.

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Originally Posted by Ripton
Who are the French supplying them to?
To Ukraine
France announced that it will be sending heavy artillery to Ukraine as it continues to fight off Russian offensive. French Macron said that the country is now delivering some significant equipment from Milan which includes anti-tank missiles to caesar self propelled howitzers
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 12:28
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The diplomats warned of Reciprocity.
There has been deliveries of similar weapons in recent days to other countries . Plane loads of high tech being handed out like candy , someone going to get toothache .
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Ukraine reporting taking out a command centre in Kherson


https://fakty.com.ua/en/ukraine/susp...nskij-oblasti/
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As a result of the current talk of tactical nukes I was pondering on a couple of points.

1) In a dial-a-yield device is the fallout materially affected by the yield selected? Physics states that more filssile material must be consumed at a higher yield but is the difference significant?

2) Is it public knowlege if the Russian use/favour dial-a-yield or do they prefer fixed yield for tactical weapons?
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 13:04
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
As a result of the current talk of tactical nukes I was pondering on a couple of points.

1) In a dial-a-yield device is the fallout materially affected by the yield selected? Physics states that more filssile material must be consumed at a higher yield but is the difference significant?

2) Is it public knowlege if the Russian use/favour dial-a-yield or do they prefer fixed yield for tactical weapons?
1) definitely not an expert on nuclear detonation but my understanding is the majority of fallout is debris irradiated by the initial blast sucked up and dispersed (hence high airburst = low fallout). Therefore large bang = more debris = more fallout.
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 13:05
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Without giving too much away, do we know anything about this which was reported on Sky news today?
Quote: “But Ukraine's security chief Oleksiy Danilov said a night-time helicopter delivery brought weapons to the steel mill.“

Afterthought bubble: "Even if it never happened, might be worth saying that it did..."

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Spare parts delivered to Ukraine has enabled them to generate 20 extra aircraft.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-...381a51cc8d763c
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 14:50
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More on the previous:


and


Stupidly, the invaders located the post close to the battlefront.
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 15:11
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The incompetence of Russian military to protect the high ranks is incredible. Thats what, 11 generals in 8 weeks.
To give proportion: During 1939 and 1945 only one Finnish general was lost due to enemy activity.
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 15:31
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It's a special general operation! Going from memory of what I read in just today news they are also arresting quite a few. CiC and his deputy of Black Sea Fleet. CO and deputy commander of 48 Combined Arms Army, CO of 4th Guard Tank army.

Maybe those are the guys that paid their 'insurance'
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 16:10
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British military convoy in France

I was driving up the A 5/A26 between Dijon and Reims on Wednesday April 20 and vaguely noted numerous military trucks heading South: after a little while it kicked in that they had British military number-plates and also a rather small Union-Jack sticker under the LHS headlight. These were all trucks carrying a container (except for a sole Land-Rover ), probably 20 or so in total.

I have never read of any joint Franco-British military exercises taking place in France so that's probably out, and yet I can't think of any reason that Britain would be sending any aid to Ukraine on trucks through France either.

Can anyone think of a good explanation for such a convoy ?
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To transport French Aid?

Off BBC

A veteran pro-Kremlin commentator says Russia's goal in Ukraine is "the gradual dismantling and phased reformatting of this territory".

The Russian analyst, Pyotr Akopov, says "everyone understands now that the military operation will go on a long time".

His commentary, published by state-run RIA Novosti news, is titled "Russia is changing tactics, but not strategy, in Ukraine".

It echoes a speech on Friday by a top Russian general, Rustam Minnekayev, envisaging Russian forces taking control of Ukraine’s entire coastline, from Donbas in the east to Moldova in the west.

Russia has troops in Transnistria, a breakaway pro-Moscow territory in Moldova.

"Withdrawal of our troops from any of the occupied territories is out of the question," Akopov says.

"If we take the goal of the second phase to be establishing control over the south of Ukraine, then we have to realise that a third phase is inevitable too – control over all of Novorossiya," Akopov says.

Russian nationalists see "Novorossiya" (meaning New Russia) as a huge swathe of southern Ukraine that once belonged to imperial Russia. President Vladimir Putin has said "Novorossiya" should also include the Kharkiv region in the north.

Akopov says Russia may not need to capture Kyiv and Lviv, because "after the south falls, Ukraine as an entity will start to collapse".

That "collapse", he says, will happen "even without waiting for the surrender of Kharkiv and control over all of Novorossiya, because loss of the south deprives Ukraine of the chances of existing as a self-sufficient.

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Originally Posted by Beamr
Apparently Kremlin has already decided they've won and its all over.

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/statu...38482972184577
Which is a smart move. The moment, this area is "claimed" to be politically and state-wise part of the Russian state, it's forbidden ground to walk on, for Nato as a whole or any individual Nato state contributing with more than money and equipment. Until that joining, Nato or Nato states would be there on Ukraine invitation.

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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 16:33
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
To transport French Aid?
I don't comprehend ( attempted humour ? ) and don't see any relevance in the BBC quote. I'm sure that the French army isn't short of a few trucks, so the question remains. Why would the British military be hauling 20 or more containers South down a French autoroute ?
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 16:48
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Somehow, I do have the impression, there has been a lot of inflation designating military ranks in Russia and those killed would have been ranked 1 or maybe 2 levels lower in Western military rankings. There are simply too many of them killed and/or "arrested" and still having enough left to show off and reorganize and command the army.
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 16:54
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I suppose it’s too much to hope that one of the three was General Dvornikov….
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